[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
Isn't maintenance an annual charge? So you pay it each year and are covered from year to year for upgrades? So I don't really agree that they have anything to honour if you don't take out or renew your maintenance. I don't know what the fees are on CF but other software I have had on maintenance in the past has been around 10% of purchase price. In the end it comes down to a question of whether it is going to be cheaper to pay one or two years of maintenance rather than the upgrade cost from CF8 to CF9, having just paid for the upgrade from CFx to CF9. And of course Adobe probably hates this kind of speculation because the temptation is going to be for you to put off the upgrade until CF9 is released... B) Steve Onnis wrote: I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 -- Brett Payne-Rhodes Eaglehawk Computing t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471 m: +61 (0)414 371 047 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.yoursite.net.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
Sure, $5K is a significant investment depending on your circumstances. But are you saying that the annual maintenance fee for CF is 90% of the purchase price? As in, CFENT costs $5,555 up front and $5,000 for maintenance annually? That would a bit over the top in my book. Or maybe it is 90% of the upgrade price? I think that would be more likely and in which case I'd say 'place your bets!'. In reality the maintenance plans are aimed at the corporate end of the market where they prefer to pay an annual fee rather than have to go through the whole purchase process each time a new version of CF is released. But I'm sure there are whole fields of study devoted to the question of how to build a sustainable business around writing software. And at the top of the list in terms of difficulty is to build a business around a software product (or products). If the initial investment to write the damn thing doesn't do you in, the ongoing support and maintenance probably will, and finding a way to entice your clients to part with more money to pay for that support and maintenance the hardest job of all. B) Steve Onnis wrote: CF maintenance is like 10% OFF the price so it is still a fair bit. CFENT subscription is over 5k so i would want to be getting something for my money -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Isn't maintenance an annual charge? So you pay it each year and are covered from year to year for upgrades? So I don't really agree that they have anything to honour if you don't take out or renew your maintenance. I don't know what the fees are on CF but other software I have had on maintenance in the past has been around 10% of purchase price. In the end it comes down to a question of whether it is going to be cheaper to pay one or two years of maintenance rather than the upgrade cost from CF8 to CF9, having just paid for the upgrade from CFx to CF9. And of course Adobe probably hates this kind of speculation because the temptation is going to be for you to put off the upgrade until CF9 is released... B) Steve Onnis wrote: I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 -- Brett Payne-Rhodes Eaglehawk Computing t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471 m: +61 (0)414 371 047 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.yoursite.net.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
It's time for Adobe (if they don't do it already) to adopt a SaaS model and make it available to everyone - to pay $50/mth or so for CFENT without the need to purchase lics upfront. GM On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Brett Payne-Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, $5K is a significant investment depending on your circumstances. But are you saying that the annual maintenance fee for CF is 90% of the purchase price? As in, CFENT costs $5,555 up front and $5,000 for maintenance annually? That would a bit over the top in my book. Or maybe it is 90% of the upgrade price? I think that would be more likely and in which case I'd say 'place your bets!'. In reality the maintenance plans are aimed at the corporate end of the market where they prefer to pay an annual fee rather than have to go through the whole purchase process each time a new version of CF is released. But I'm sure there are whole fields of study devoted to the question of how to build a sustainable business around writing software. And at the top of the list in terms of difficulty is to build a business around a software product (or products). If the initial investment to write the damn thing doesn't do you in, the ongoing support and maintenance probably will, and finding a way to entice your clients to part with more money to pay for that support and maintenance the hardest job of all. B) Steve Onnis wrote: CF maintenance is like 10% OFF the price so it is still a fair bit. CFENT subscription is over 5k so i would want to be getting something for my money -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Isn't maintenance an annual charge? So you pay it each year and are covered from year to year for upgrades? So I don't really agree that they have anything to honour if you don't take out or renew your maintenance. I don't know what the fees are on CF but other software I have had on maintenance in the past has been around 10% of purchase price. In the end it comes down to a question of whether it is going to be cheaper to pay one or two years of maintenance rather than the upgrade cost from CF8 to CF9, having just paid for the upgrade from CFx to CF9. And of course Adobe probably hates this kind of speculation because the temptation is going to be for you to put off the upgrade until CF9 is released... B) Steve Onnis wrote: I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 -- Brett Payne-Rhodes Eaglehawk Computing t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471 m: +61 (0)414 371 047 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.yoursite.net.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
They are doing this with their creative suite now. Looked quickly I don't see it on their site but I received an email about it with the new CS release. Maybe it will be available for CF on the next release. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guennadi M Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:19 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase It's time for Adobe (if they don't do it already) to adopt a SaaS model and make it available to everyone - to pay $50/mth or so for CFENT without the need to purchase lics upfront. GM On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Brett Payne-Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, $5K is a significant investment depending on your circumstances. But are you saying that the annual maintenance fee for CF is 90% of the purchase price? As in, CFENT costs $5,555 up front and $5,000 for maintenance annually? That would a bit over the top in my book. Or maybe it is 90% of the upgrade price? I think that would be more likely and in which case I'd say 'place your bets!'. In reality the maintenance plans are aimed at the corporate end of the market where they prefer to pay an annual fee rather than have to go through the whole purchase process each time a new version of CF is released. But I'm sure there are whole fields of study devoted to the question of how to build a sustainable business around writing software. And at the top of the list in terms of difficulty is to build a business around a software product (or products). If the initial investment to write the damn thing doesn't do you in, the ongoing support and maintenance probably will, and finding a way to entice your clients to part with more money to pay for that support and maintenance the hardest job of all. B) Steve Onnis wrote: CF maintenance is like 10% OFF the price so it is still a fair bit. CFENT subscription is over 5k so i would want to be getting something for my money -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Isn't maintenance an annual charge? So you pay it each year and are covered from year to year for upgrades? So I don't really agree that they have anything to honour if you don't take out or renew your maintenance. I don't know what the fees are on CF but other software I have had on maintenance in the past has been around 10% of purchase price. In the end it comes down to a question of whether it is going to be cheaper to pay one or two years of maintenance rather than the upgrade cost from CF8 to CF9, having just paid for the upgrade from CFx to CF9. And of course Adobe probably hates this kind of speculation because the temptation is going to be for you to put off the upgrade until CF9 is released... B) Steve Onnis wrote: I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 -- Brett Payne-Rhodes Eaglehawk Computing t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471 m: +61 (0)414 371 047 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.yoursite.net.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
Where are you getting CF8 ENT licenses for that cheap??? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 1:18 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, where do you get your prices from? My quote is much scarier then $ up-front per CFENT licence And based on my quote, maintenance is approx one quarter of the licence cost per year BTW. Cheers Brett Payne-Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/10/2008 12:10 pm Sure, $5K is a significant investment depending on your circumstances. But are you saying that the annual maintenance fee for CF is 90% of the purchase price? As in, CFENT costs $5,555 up front and $5,000 for maintenance annually? That would a bit over the top in my book. Or maybe it is 90% of the upgrade price? I think that would be more likely and in which case I'd say 'place your bets!'. In reality the maintenance plans are aimed at the corporate end of the market where they prefer to pay an annual fee rather than have to go through the whole purchase process each time a new version of CF is released. But I'm sure there are whole fields of study devoted to the question of how to build a sustainable business around writing software. And at the top of the list in terms of difficulty is to build a business around a software product (or products). If the initial investment to write the damn thing doesn't do you in, the ongoing support and maintenance probably will, and finding a way to entice your clients to part with more money to pay for that support and maintenance the hardest job of all. B) Steve Onnis wrote: CF maintenance is like 10% OFF the price so it is still a fair bit. CFENT subscription is over 5k so i would want to be getting something for my money -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Isn't maintenance an annual charge? So you pay it each year and are covered from year to year for upgrades? So I don't really agree that they have anything to honour if you don't take out or renew your maintenance. I don't know what the fees are on CF but other software I have had on maintenance in the past has been around 10% of purchase price. In the end it comes down to a question of whether it is going to be cheaper to pay one or two years of maintenance rather than the upgrade cost from CF8 to CF9, having just paid for the upgrade from CFx to CF9. And of course Adobe probably hates this kind of speculation because the temptation is going to be for you to put off the upgrade until CF9 is released... B) Steve Onnis wrote: I think if you purchase a subscription and nothing is released they should either give you a refund or honour the next release when ever it comes out. only fair.. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Yes, CF9 will be released inside of 12 months I think. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Thornton Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Maintenance purchase Hi, Out of curiosity, is there expected to be any new releases etc of coldfusion in the next year? I am trying to decide weather to purchase the maintenance plan with a some new licences... Cheers, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit, Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 51762 p: +61 02 491 51762 m: 0413 800 242 -- Brett Payne-Rhodes Eaglehawk Computing t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471 m: +61 (0)414 371 047 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.yoursite.net.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase
Hi, you'll find that the 2 year maintenance subscription is roughly about 85-90 percent of the upgrade price for a particular version and a particular rebate scheme. That proportion should be about right and independent from the market you're buying in, i.e. NZ, AU, US, Asia, EU etc. Obviously don't compare the price of a US-retail CF Enterprise with the price of a NZ-corporate CF Enterprise 2 yr subscription. When it comes to CF and the corporate licensing scheme, you can btw. buy both 1 and 2 yr subscriptions (at least in NZ). Rule of thumb: 2 yr is slightly (really just slightly) cheaper than 2 x 1 year. Cheers Kai Hi, where do you get your prices from? My quote is much scarier then $ up-front per CFENT licence And based on my quote, maintenance is approx one quarter of the licence cost per year BTW. Cheers Brett Payne-Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/10/2008 12:10 pm Sure, $5K is a significant investment depending on your circumstances. But are you saying that the annual maintenance fee for CF is 90% of the purchase price? As in, CFENT costs $5,555 up front and $5,000 for maintenance annually? That would a bit over the top in my book. Or maybe it is 90% of the upgrade price? I think that would be more likely and in which case I'd say 'place your bets!'. In reality the maintenance plans are aimed at the corporate end of the market where they prefer to pay an annual fee rather than have to go through the whole purchase process each time a new version of CF is released. But I'm sure there are whole fields of study devoted to the question of how to build a sustainable business around writing software. And at the top of the list in terms of difficulty is to build a business around a software product (or products). If the initial investment to write the damn thing doesn't do you in, the ongoing support and maintenance probably will, and finding a way to entice your clients to part with more money to pay for that support and maintenance the hardest job of all. B) Steve Onnis wrote: CF maintenance is like 10% OFF the price so it is still a fair bit. CFENT subscription is over 5k so i would want to be getting something for my money -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 11:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF Maintenance purchase Kai Koenig Director Software Solutions Architect Ventego Creative Ltd 154 Parkvale Road, Karori Wellington, New Zealand Office: +64 4 476 6781 Mobile NZ: +64 21 928 365 Mobile AU: +61 450 132 117 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
