[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
Depending on who its for, I am close to that -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:45 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates So a $60k per year full time person would be on $86 per hour? I'm not sure how realistic this is. That would have a $90k employee earning $129 per hour. How many people here are earning that kind of money. Most contractors I know earn a lot less than that. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:14 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Or Experience. Certifications don't mean everything these days. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ellem Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:12 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
Or Experience. Certifications don't mean everything these days. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ellem Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:12 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
So a $60k per year full time person would be on $86 per hour? I'm not sure how realistic this is. That would have a $90k employee earning $129 per hour. How many people here are earning that kind of money. Most contractors I know earn a lot less than that. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:14 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Or Experience. Certifications don't mean everything these days. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ellem Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:12 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
I remember a long time ago. A colleague of mine had a little eBattle with someone on this list. Their response was something along the lines of I get paid $140k per annum so you should show me some respect. . OT, I know, but it was funny at the time. This topic reminded me of it. -Original Message- From: KC Kuok [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:04:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates @Dale I have a few friends doing contracting work... depending on the customer it is either 90-120 per hour... and these guys are run of the mill non specialist/rockstar type coders. AFAIK some are moving to a per project type of work where everything is signed off with proper methodology in calculating cost from the specs. 90-120 hour may seem quite alot, but contractors do not usually include the money and time taken to meet clients, support and discussions about the project, and they would have to also cover business/operating cost, that may not be directly billable. Also hourly rate does not include things like super and benefits. I am close to your stated general requirement and I would say I would not expect anything less than 70-80 per hour (depending on methodology). Also we do pay some external contractors up to 180 here at work, IMHO they are not worth it but work pays it so /shrug... Although currently i am underpaid monetary wise, but I get good working conditions and get to take more than what I feel is my fair share on going for low cost/free seminars/conferences/gatherings (and i got to go for WebDU this year too!). Also the broader the skillset expected the higher the rate should be of course... numerical number of years is not really the best judge of skillset. As for the vague rule of thumb, the higher you go it should scale down from 3 to 2.5. Cost of business should not differ much whether you are a relative rookie or an old timer. On Nov 16, 2:45 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a $60k per year full time person would be on $86 per hour? I'm not sure how realistic this is. That would have a $90k employee earning $129 per hour. How many people here are earning that kind of money. Most contractors I know earn a lot less than that. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:14 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Or Experience. Certifications don't mean everything these days. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd.www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ellem Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:12 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates
@Dale I have a few friends doing contracting work... depending on the customer it is either 90-120 per hour... and these guys are run of the mill non specialist/rockstar type coders. AFAIK some are moving to a per project type of work where everything is signed off with proper methodology in calculating cost from the specs. 90-120 hour may seem quite alot, but contractors do not usually include the money and time taken to meet clients, support and discussions about the project, and they would have to also cover business/operating cost, that may not be directly billable. Also hourly rate does not include things like super and benefits. I am close to your stated general requirement and I would say I would not expect anything less than 70-80 per hour (depending on methodology). Also we do pay some external contractors up to 180 here at work, IMHO they are not worth it but work pays it so /shrug... Although currently i am underpaid monetary wise, but I get good working conditions and get to take more than what I feel is my fair share on going for low cost/free seminars/conferences/gatherings (and i got to go for WebDU this year too!). Also the broader the skillset expected the higher the rate should be of course... numerical number of years is not really the best judge of skillset. As for the vague rule of thumb, the higher you go it should scale down from 3 to 2.5. Cost of business should not differ much whether you are a relative rookie or an old timer. On Nov 16, 2:45 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a $60k per year full time person would be on $86 per hour? I'm not sure how realistic this is. That would have a $90k employee earning $129 per hour. How many people here are earning that kind of money. Most contractors I know earn a lot less than that. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:14 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Or Experience. Certifications don't mean everything these days. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd.www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Ellem Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 2:12 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SOT: Contracting Hourly Rates Typically Contractor Rates are about 3 time the normal hourly rate one would expect for the same person in a permanent role with the said experience. Thats a fairly vague rule that is probably more applicaple to senior developers with industry certifications. On Nov 15, 12:53 pm, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of rates should a contract developer get these days. Graduate with around 2 years experience. I'd specifically be interested in hearing both CF and NON CF rates. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
