Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
If this is a requirement, I work with someone who does professional design things, and he considers the logo as not good (inaccurate translation possible). And no, he won't do it for free. If there were a collection to purchase some creative commons logos, I'd probably chip in. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. 112 jumps, 45.9 minutes of freefall, 87.8 freefall miles. # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
RE: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
What should the collection contain? I would ask him. -Original Message- From: cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net [mailto:cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net] On Behalf Of Paul Miller Sent: Dienstag, 18. August 2009 15:46 To: CGI Application Subject: Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo If this is a requirement, I work with someone who does professional design things, and he considers the logo as not good (inaccurate translation possible). And no, he won't do it for free. If there were a collection to purchase some creative commons logos, I'd probably chip in. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. 112 jumps, 45.9 minutes of freefall, 87.8 freefall miles. # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## #### Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 8.5.392 / Virendatenbank: 270.13.58/2309 - Ausgabedatum: 08/18/09 06:03:00 # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Alexcap...@gmx.de wrote: What should the collection contain? I would ask him. Sorry, I wasn't clear. No offense, but I don't know anything about your friend or his qualifications. I meant, generally speaking, if the CGI::App list decided to take up a collection and hire out a graphic designer (perhaps through guru.com or something); I'd probably chip in. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. 112 jumps, 45.9 minutes of freefall, 87.8 freefall miles. # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
It seems like CrowdSPRING or 99Designs might be appropriate for something like this. Todd From: Paul Miller listm...@voltar-confed.org To: CGI Application cgiapp@lists.erlbaum.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:17:19 AM Subject: Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Alexcap...@gmx.de wrote: What should the collection contain? I would ask him. Sorry, I wasn't clear. No offense, but I don't know anything about your friend or his qualifications. I meant, generally speaking, if the CGI::App list decided to take up a collection and hire out a graphic designer (perhaps through guru.com or something); I'd probably chip in. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. 112 jumps, 45.9 minutes of freefall, 87.8 freefall miles. # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## #### # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
I'll get my designer to do some concepts for free and post them here. I know Mark was interested in associating CGI::App with tree (hence the new site design). Lyle # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
RE: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Alex OK. Bushfires are at a minimum, at least for the moment, so I have time to reply. On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 23:46 +0200, Alex wrote: Hi! I don't think that anyone who does such things like design as a professional would consider the logo any good. No offense to the effort creating one, but I would consider it an absolute failure. I have to admit, and I think I'm not the only one, that I'm not able do it any better. I such at designing things. But I would rather stick with the old logo, than inventing something much more worse. Well, if you can't do better, then you can't really claim to speak on behalf of professionals. I think, when you proposed to make CA somewhat more visible to the world, you didn't indent to trigger negative reaction because the image looks like crap. Let's have a somewhat realistic look at the logo. It uses three colors. Corflowerblue (I think it's the name of the It's SkyBlue, as used by Image::Magick. wannabe-blue in the background), red and yellow. The only purpose of these colors is to distract the viewers eyes. They do, because the colors don't stick together. It's like a car crash. It's damn ugly, but you can't look away. Sure, a car crash causes attention, people probably will talk about it, or even take a closer look. But the general intention is negative. Nope. The purpose is to remind the viewer of the real world, where a reddish and yellow sun appears in a blue sky. These colours are warm, friendly, and comforting, besides being universally familiar. It was a football player who said, that the round thing must fit in the square thing. But there isn't even a nice square thing. Omitting the blue background would be a start. Then the need to put the read font on white background for the CA lettering would not exists. Do you ever saw a professional web page with red font color on white background? Did you ever feel such thing would be easy to read? No (I hope). Even if there are error messages on a webpage that have a red font color, they have a dark background for the contrast. Mostly they don't use red, they use something like orange, or #b42e33 or wine. Come one! It's not that hard to read, surely. It's for glancing at and, hopefully, recognizing. It's hardly a War and Peace type of thing. And it's not meant to be a web page, but a logo on a web page. And given the likelihood the containing pages will soon be many and varied in colour, having a logo which does /not/ vanish because it's too similar to many web pages, can't be all bad. Then, what is the meaning of the round yellow-red thing? Are we related to sun? Is there any reason why it is a round thing? Why don't just pick a triangle? Or, totally unrelated to a plugin featuring framework, a puzzle piece? Yes, it's the sun, as explained above. Perhaps that's just my Australian background peeking thru. And if you wish to put the Freudian interpretation on it, that's it's a baby emerging from the womb, I certainly wouldn't mind, since Perl and CGI::App is our babies. And let me repeat, these a positive, strong, and life-affirming connotations. Compare that, for instance, with the obsolete-before-it-was-released, black-and-white, on the new perldoc web site: http://perldoc.perl.org/ Yuksville! Of course, anyone can impose their own interpretations on it, anyway. It's not that I simply want to arbitrary flame your approach. I wish I could do it any better. I would spend you a new logo (for free, in mercy). But if I would try to make a logo now, it would be done in paint and have a similar look. I just really hope, that this logo won't make it to the official representative logo of CA - or any log representing CA. I do appreciate that you're frank enough to say that. But if you're not going to do it, who will? And do we need a new logo? These are reasonable questions. I deliberately aimed to avoid the mechanical connotations of the cog, even though it's based on the wheel, and thus bears some similarity to my design. The problem with the old logo is precisely that mechanical/masculine look-and-feel. We don't need it - that's what I'm saying. So *please*, don't use this logo. Use the old one instead. Let it look like a machine, like a pluggable mechanism intended for use by geeks only. It's not that bad. On the contrary, I find it (the old one) really good. Nobody /has/ to use it, and I would not go so far as to say my design is superb. It isn't. There's something lacking I agree. But since I'm not a graphic designed either, I have not yet worked out what needs to be fixed. Nevertheless, I hope this discussion will propel others to dabble in similar experiments. That's my (personal) opinion on the logo. Likewise. Regards, Alex -Original Message- From: cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net [mailto:cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Carville Sent: Samstag, 8. August 2009 18:17 To: CGI Application Subject: Re: [cgiapp] CGI
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ron Savager...@savage.net.au wrote: Hi Folks Here's a sample: http://savage.net.au/three.jpg Thanks. Here is an example of it in use. You won't be able to get past the login page but the remainder have a similar layout. http://www.totalflood.com/tf-check -- Stephen Carville # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
RE: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi! I don't think that anyone who does such things like design as a professional would consider the logo any good. No offense to the effort creating one, but I would consider it an absolute failure. I have to admit, and I think I'm not the only one, that I'm not able do it any better. I such at designing things. But I would rather stick with the old logo, than inventing something much more worse. I think, when you proposed to make CA somewhat more visible to the world, you didn't indent to trigger negative reaction because the image looks like crap. Let's have a somewhat realistic look at the logo. It uses three colors. Corflowerblue (I think it's the name of the wannabe-blue in the background), red and yellow. The only purpose of these colors is to distract the viewers eyes. They do, because the colors don't stick together. It's like a car crash. It's damn ugly, but you can't look away. Sure, a car crash causes attention, people probably will talk about it, or even take a closer look. But the general intention is negative. It was a football player who said, that the round thing must fit in the square thing. But there isn't even a nice square thing. Omitting the blue background would be a start. Then the need to put the read font on white background for the CA lettering would not exists. Do you ever saw a professional web page with red font color on white background? Did you ever feel such thing would be easy to read? No (I hope). Even if there are error messages on a webpage that have a red font color, they have a dark background for the contrast. Mostly they don't use red, they use something like orange, or #b42e33 or wine. Then, what is the meaning of the round yellow-red thing? Are we related to sun? Is there any reason why it is a round thing? Why don't just pick a triangle? Or, totally unrelated to a plugin featuring framework, a puzzle piece? It's not that I simply want to arbitrary flame your approach. I wish I could do it any better. I would spend you a new logo (for free, in mercy). But if I would try to make a logo now, it would be done in paint and have a similar look. I just really hope, that this logo won't make it to the official representative logo of CA - or any log representing CA. So *please*, don't use this logo. Use the old one instead. Let it look like a machine, like a pluggable mechanism intended for use by geeks only. It's not that bad. On the contrary, I find it (the old one) really good. That's my (personal) opinion on the logo. Regards, Alex -Original Message- From: cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net [mailto:cgiapp-boun...@lists.erlbaum.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Carville Sent: Samstag, 8. August 2009 18:17 To: CGI Application Subject: Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ron Savager...@savage.net.au wrote: Hi Folks Here's a sample: http://savage.net.au/three.jpg Thanks. Here is an example of it in use. You won't be able to get past the login page but the remainder have a similar layout. http://www.totalflood.com/tf-check -- Stephen Carville # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## #### Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG überprüft - www.avg.de Version: 8.5.392 / Virendatenbank: 270.13.47/2289 - Ausgabedatum: 08/07/09 18:37:00 # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Stephen Stephen Carville wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ron Savager...@savage.net.au wrote: Hi Folks Here's a sample: http://savage.net.au/three.jpg Thanks. Here is an example of it in use. You won't be able to get past the login page but the remainder have a similar layout. http://www.totalflood.com/tf-check Glad to see someone's using it! The lack of response was deafening... -- Ron Savage r...@savage.net.au http://savage.net.au/ # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
RE: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Alex Alex wrote: Hi! I don't think that anyone who does such things like design as a professional would consider the logo any good. No offense to the effort creating one, but I would consider it an absolute failure. [snip big-time] Oh. Thanx for the long critique. At least you've expressed yourself, which gives me something to go on. Luckily I did not pretend the design was superb, or definitive. I'll keep playing with it, using your ideas to give me some ideas for changes. And, obviously, I'm not a graphics artist. I'm just a Perl programmer :-). -- Ron Savage r...@savage.net.au http://savage.net.au/ # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Folks Here's a sample: http://savage.net.au/three.jpg Points: o Bright, cheery o Not crudely masculine as per the original's cogs and wheels o Suggestions of sunrise below and sky above o Not too complex o Curvaceous rather than chunky -- Ron Savage r...@savage.net.au http://savage.net.au/index.html # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Stephen On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 10:06 -0700, Stephen Carville wrote: I am getting ready to deploy a couple of internal applications. One provides a login service to the wireless network, the other lets users change and reset their Kerberos password. I'd like to put a logo in the trailer section indicting that CGI::Application is the framework and link it to the homepage. Is there an official logo for this? Would the author(s) prefer i call it Titanium. (I like the name BTW) I have a bit of a agenda in doing this. The development department is stuck on Dot net and C sharp as the only way to do anything on the web. The company was recently sold and both the the above apps (and couple more I have in testing) will be seen regularly. I'd like to improve the visibility of Perl and Linux with the new owners. A simple sample is on it's way. Hold you breath. -- Ron Savage r...@savage.net.au http://savage.net.au/index.html # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Ron Savage wrote: Hi Stephen On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 10:06 -0700, Stephen Carville wrote: I am getting ready to deploy a couple of internal applications. One provides a login service to the wireless network, the other lets users change and reset their Kerberos password. I'd like to put a logo in the trailer section indicting that CGI::Application is the framework and link it to the homepage. Is there an official logo for this? Would the author(s) prefer i call it Titanium. (I like the name BTW) I have a bit of a agenda in doing this. The development department is stuck on Dot net and C sharp as the only way to do anything on the web. The company was recently sold and both the the above apps (and couple more I have in testing) will be seen regularly. I'd like to improve the visibility of Perl and Linux with the new owners. A simple sample is on it's way. Hold you breath. I was discussing having powered by CGI::Application and Titanium logos with Mark as a part of the site update... We didn't get far enough to make them though :/ Lyle # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
* Lyle [15/07/2009 11:27] : I was discussing having powered by CGI::Application and Titanium logos with Mark as a part of the site update... We didn't get far enough to make them though :/ Wouldn't the logo on the wiki suffice in a pinch? http://www.cgi-app.org/images/cgiapp-logo.gif Emmanuel # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Emmanuel Seymanemmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr wrote: * Lyle [15/07/2009 11:27] : I was discussing having powered by CGI::Application and Titanium logos with Mark as a part of the site update... We didn't get far enough to make them though :/ Wouldn't the logo on the wiki suffice in a pinch? http://www.cgi-app.org/images/cgiapp-logo.gif That's Plan B :-) -- Stephen Carville # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
Re: [cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
Hi Stephen On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 13:55 -0700, Stephen Carville wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Emmanuel Seymanemmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr wrote: * Lyle [15/07/2009 11:27] : I was discussing having powered by CGI::Application and Titanium logos with Mark as a part of the site update... We didn't get far enough to make them though :/ Wouldn't the logo on the wiki suffice in a pinch? http://www.cgi-app.org/images/cgiapp-logo.gif That's Plan B :-) A B-grade movie of 1 frame :-))? -- Ron Savage r...@savage.net.au http://savage.net.au/index.html # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
[cgiapp] CGI::Application Logo
I am getting ready to deploy a couple of internal applications. One provides a login service to the wireless network, the other lets users change and reset their Kerberos password. I'd like to put a logo in the trailer section indicting that CGI::Application is the framework and link it to the homepage. Is there an official logo for this? Would the author(s) prefer i call it Titanium. (I like the name BTW) I have a bit of a agenda in doing this. The development department is stuck on Dot net and C sharp as the only way to do anything on the web. The company was recently sold and both the the above apps (and couple more I have in testing) will be seen regularly. I'd like to improve the visibility of Perl and Linux with the new owners. -- Stephen Carville # CGI::Application community mailing list #### ## To unsubscribe, or change your message delivery options, ## ## visit: http://www.erlbaum.net/mailman/listinfo/cgiapp## #### ## Web archive: http://www.erlbaum.net/pipermail/cgiapp/ ## ## Wiki: http://cgiapp.erlbaum.net/ ## ####
