Re: [Chicken-users] IDE for Beginners
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, I've worked using CHICKEN on Windows recently, and while I don't want to cite a holy war, I'll try to weigh in where I can. The below thoughts are my own, so don't treat this as if I'm dictating which editor is best, it's just my opinion. This is also my first message on the mailing list, so hi! First and foremost, I am unaware of any general purpose IDE for any Scheme language outside of DrRacket, so I cannot recommend something specially tailored. I imagine you really just want to be able to send text to the REPL, whether it's within the editor itself or something better than cmd.exe. The options then become one of the following: * SublimeText / SublimeREPL (version 2 or 3) * Emacs + Geiser * Emacs + SLIME * Vim + slimv * Any editor + a better console emulator to paste code in I use / have used all of the above with the exception of SublimeText, so I have a fairly rough idea of how each of them plays out. The best Scheme development experience in my opinion is Emacs + Geiser (http://www.nongnu.org/geiser/), but it's not the easiest to take advantage of, mostly because it requires that you be able to call csi from the cmd.exe on Windows. As someone who mostly takes advantage of CHICKEN via cygwin, this poses a problem as you need to ensure you don't link CHICKEN to cygwin.dll when building. If this is over your head, or you don't know what cygwin is, you likely don't have to worry about it. Emacs + SLIME comes close, but the chicken-slime egg doesn't contain all the features that you expect from a full SWANK server for various reasons (things like undef, etc.), and requires that you have a separate console window running the local SWANK server, which may or may not be annoying. Vim + slimv is basically the same as Emacs + SLIME, and is personally what I use. I like vim for various reasons, mostly due to preference of the keybinds (which are slightly harder to learn than Emacs, to be fair). A lot of Lisp/Scheme users will probably tell you to leave vim behind since Emacs is the holy gospel of parentheses development, but honestly it's not much worse and after a little customization I believe it to be better for my workflow. All said and done, Geiser is a much better (IMO) way of interacting with Scheme code / the REPL, and is likely where you'll see more developments in the future. My understanding here is that the author of the chicken-slime egg is the same person who contributed the code necessary to get chicken working with scheme. If you want to set up Emacs with either SLIME or Geiser easily, be sure to check out Spacemacs (https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs), which is an interesting project to get an Emacs installation that's easy to set up and easy to configure for beginners. You can even use vim keybinds via Emacs' Evil plugin, if you want, but I think in this case you'd likely not want to. It asks you what keybinds you want to use when you first start it up, so it doesn't really matter. Lastly, if you think all the above is still too much effort and you just want to use Notepad++ or some other text editor, and you just want to be able to easily paste code into a terminal, check out cmder on Windows (http://gooseberrycreative.com/cmder/). It's a better terminal emulator that wraps around cmd.exe and comes with some nicer defaults. You can paste code easily using Ctrl+Shift+v or Shift+insert, and most of the keybinds are customizable if you really want it. Although it's not as integrated as Emacs + Geiser or Emacs + SLIME, it is one of the easier solutions to get up and running. I personally use cmder for everything when I'm on windows, from cygwin shells to Powershell to the very occasional cmd.exe. That's about all I can say about development on Windows. Unfortunately we don't have a fully fledged IDE like DrRacket, but there's some pretty cool stuff out there to get started. If you do have further questions regarding any of the above, don't hesitate to email me, as I can try to help walk you through the process (unless you're trying to use SublimeText, haha). Regards, P.S. As a final note Windows Powershell is not bad at all, it's just not bash / zsh. In terms of functionality it's quite good, and with chocolatey/PSReadline it gets even better. Anyways, food for thought. On 22/04/15 04:25 AM, mfv wrote: Hello Abby, please forgive me the late and short reply. I am currently under an extreme time shortage due to business and family matters (yes, best of the world at once). I would suggest you to try the solution that worked for me back then. I got my chicken emacs package to work with the kind help of 'bahman', whom I met either on this list or in #chicken. Unfortunalty, I did not write down any step by step guide back then. However, as far I can remember, the usage of the package was fairly simple: add the package it to your folder, and run C-u M-X run-scheme on a frame. The package can be found at:
Re: [Chicken-users] IDE for Beginners
Hello Abby, please forgive me the late and short reply. I am currently under an extreme time shortage due to business and family matters (yes, best of the world at once). I would suggest you to try the solution that worked for me back then. I got my chicken emacs package to work with the kind help of 'bahman', whom I met either on this list or in #chicken. Unfortunalty, I did not write down any step by step guide back then. However, as far I can remember, the usage of the package was fairly simple: add the package it to your folder, and run C-u M-X run-scheme on a frame. The package can be found at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rxjt0bn5enpw4vn/AAAdvn2C_l_6qZU5PmWCMYxoa?dl=0 Cheers, Piotr On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 01:10:09PM -0700, Abby A wrote: [Chicken-users] IDE for Beginners https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=chicken-users@nongnu.orgq=subject:%22%5BChicken-users%5D+IDE+for+Beginners%22o=newest mfv https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=chicken-users@nongnu.orgq=from:%22mfv%22 Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:12:32 -0800 https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=chicken-users@nongnu.orgq=date:20141202 Hi there, I am currently using Sublime Text 2 with Sublime REPL to fool around with Chicken Scheme. It does not work perfect, but until now it has been the best solution apart from using the REPL in the command prompt in Windows 7. However, it seems that sublimeREPL can not handle larger data structures. I froze once I read it a 20 kB cvs file. I have fooled around with a couple of other editors that have a REPL functionality, notably LightTable and Emacs. I liked the first option a lot, and was definatly overwhelmed bu the second. Emacs might be extremely usful, but I do not plan to learn all those crypting commands to learn to write and REPL some scheme code. Is there a simplified version of EMACS with an installer for Windows based systems? What light weight REPL-IDE solution do you use except Emacs? Windows Power Shell (this was a joke.. )? Any nice guides on how to set up ST2/SublimeREPL properly? Cheers, Piotr Hello Piotr, I am trying to run chicken scheme in emacs in a REPL type mode with scheme file in upper-half window and REPL in the lower-half window and to be able to seamlessly communicate. I am confused about my settings and it does not work properly. When I type C-c C-c after a simple define, I get something like this in the lower REPL. (c) 2008-2013, The Chicken Team (c) 2000-2007, Felix L. Winkelmann Version 4.8.0.5 (stability/4.8.0) (rev 5bd53ac) linux-unix-gnu-x86 [ manyargs dload ptables ] compiled 2013-10-03 on aeryn.xorinia.dim (Darwin) #;1 Error: unbound variable: compile Call history: syntax (compile (quote (begin (define (mult6 x) (* x 6) syntax (quote (begin (define (mult6 x) (* x 6 syntax (##core#quote (begin (define (mult6 x) (* x 6 eval (compile (quote (begin (define (mult6 x) (* x 6)-- Basically, I need some help and explanation on your instructions to move step by step with proper understanding of the system of communication assumed by you so I can debug it. There is a lot of confusion simply because of several systems. Geiser only supports guile and racket. The quack.el under ubuntu release - Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS, namely the package emacs-goodies-el which gives a broken message but nevertheless installs a bunch of .el files like geiser and quack. Definitely, I need some help and pointers with your Generosity. cheers Abby Here is a diagnostic from apt. % apt show emacs-goodies-el Package: emacs-goodies-el Priority: optional Section: editors Installed-Size: 3,592 kB Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com Original-Maintainer: Peter S Galbraith p...@debian.org Version: 35.8ubuntu2 Replaces: emacs-goodies-extra-el Provides: emacs-goodies-extra-el Depends: emacs24 | emacsen, bash (= 2.05a) | bash-static, dpkg (= 1.15.4) | install-info Recommends: dict, wget, perl-doc Download-Size: 654 kB Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug Origin: Ubuntu Supported: 5y APT-Manual-Installed: yes APT-Sources: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main i386 Packages Description: Miscellaneous add-ons for Emacs This package contains: align-string - align string components over several lines; all - edit all lines matching a given regexp; apache-mode - major mode for editing Apache configuration files; ascii - ASCII code display for character under point; auto-fill-inhibit - finer grained control over auto-fill-mode; bar-cursor - change your cursor to a bar instead of a block; bm - visible bookmarks in buffers; boxquote - quote texts in nice boxes; browse-huge-tar - browse tar files without reading them into memory; browse-kill-ring - browse, search, modify the kill ring; clipper - save strings of data for
[Chicken-users] Coops generic procedures profiling
Hi! I’ve been playing with coops for the last few days and I wanted to profile my code to find the hot spots, but was surprised to find that none of the generic procedures defined with coops define-generic was showing up in the profile. Is this a known limitation of the egg? Is there any way to fix this? It would be nice to have at least the dispatcher procedures in the profile. -- Envoyé depuis ma GameBoy. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
