Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[Linda Minor]

One obvious lie was that Gunderson married LaVey's former wife.  The 
website [http://www.stewwebb.com/Ted%20Gunderson.html] says her name was 
Rachel, whereas Anton LaVey was married twice, once to Carole and once 
to Diane [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0491990/], with a third companion 
named Blanche.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0491989/bio
Biography for
Anton LaVey

Birth name
   Howard Stanton Levee


Anton Szandor LaVey was born April 11, 1930 to Joseph and Augusta 
LaVey. His father was a liquor salesman. They soon moved to the San 
Francisco, California area. The name LaVey came from an immigrant 
ancestor who in passing through Ellis Island was given the name of his 
place of origin, Levey, France.


Known as Tony, he showed early musical talent, and received musical 
training. He was always an outsider. He left home after an incident 
where another youth knifed his face and Tony fought back. He joined 
circuses and carnivals, learned carny jobs and to play the calliope. He 
knew Clyde Beatty and Tim McCoy. He played organ for burlesque, and had 
a short affair with Marilyn Monroe.


He left Los Angeles and returned to San Francisco where he continued as 
an organist and became a police photographer. He married Carole and 
started his Magic Circle meetings. He later left Carole for even more 
beautiful Diane.


There is a tape circulating of an episode of the local TV program "The 
Wonderful World of Brother Buzz", narrated by Pat MacCormick, which 
centers on LaVey's lion Togare, but also shows the life of his 
"wonderful normal family" with wife Diane, and daughters Karla (by first 
wife Carole) and Zeena, as well as many animals, who lived in the soon 
to be famous Black House. At that time Anton was a psychic investigator. 
He and Diane founded the Church of Satan as a partnership in 1966. It 
was the world's first openly acknowledged Satanic Church. Anton was 
spokesman and still remains the very image of Satan and Satanism. High 
Priestess Diane LaVey was equally Satanic but performed the role of good 
wife and church administrator.


Soon followed the first public Satanic wedding, then a first baptism 
(for their daughter Zeena) and first Satanic funeral. This period of 
public rituals, about 1967-70, generated intense worldwide publicity and 
growth in membership. The movie Satanis (1970) allowed Anton to espouse 
many of his views, and shows the church at that time. The LaVey's 
associated with many famous and accomplished people, particularly 
actors, writers and circus people. Among them were Jayne Mansfield, 
Sammy Davis Jr., Kenneth Anger, Forrest J Ackerman, Joseph Cotten, 
Barbara McNair, Elke Sommer, Keenan Wynn, and directors Milo O. Frank 
Jr. and Robert Fuest.


Anton authored several well-known books on Satanism and witchcraft. Most 
of what he's told about himself is true as he saw it through his own 
biases, although he did not tell all. It was NOT a "self-created legend" 
as charged by critics. As with many '60s celebrities who were private 
people there was a burnout factor. Press distortion, harassment from 
many quarters, including gunshots, vandalism and pestering fans caused 
him to withdraw from most public activities in his last 20 years. Speak 
of the Devil (1995) (V) once again gave him a chance to express his 
views on film. He had a son Xerxes with his _last companion and 
successor to the church leadership, Blanche Barton_. He was able to 
spend some time with his grandson, Zeena's son Stanton LaVey. Many 
fascinating details of his life are still unknown to the public, and 
some points have been argued back and forth by those who do not know.


   There is much to be learned about his activities with Jayne 
Mansfield and Sammy Davis Jr., and the _making of The Devil's Rain 
(1975) with Director Fuest and William Shatner, John Travolta, Tom 
Skerritt, Ernest Borgnine and others_. 
[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072869/]  He was a kindly man, who was 
particularly protective of animals and children, but as a human also had 
a dark side. Being physically strong he almost killed once or twice with 
his bare hands. He was philosophically an outlaw and heretic. His 
influence remains great. He was a multi-talented, elitist, private 
person. He held on to much from the past, yet was also ahead of his 
time, a forerunner of among other things heavy-metal, Satanic rock, 
vampire and goth cultures.


norgesen wrote:


That was written by the infamous Stew Webb, himself often accused 
(with good reason) of being disinfo.
So, here again you have two accused disinfo ops/sides accusing each 
other, as happens quite often these days,

creating confusion, dissent and disarray, which I guess is the intent.
 
Here is a link to the Stew Webb 'piece':
 
*Stew Webb: 'Ted Gunderson is a bad, bad, /bad/ man'!*
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/webbslandersted18apr02.shtml 

 
 
norgesen
 

 
 
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[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[norgesen]

That was written by the infamous Stew Webb, himself often accused (with good 
reason) of being disinfo.
So, here again you have two accused disinfo ops/sides accusing each other, as 
happens quite often these days,
creating confusion, dissent and disarray, which I guess is the intent.

Here is a link to the Stew Webb 'piece':

Stew Webb: 'Ted Gunderson is a bad, bad, bad man'! 
http://educate-yourself.org/tg/webbslandersted18apr02.shtml


norgesen




--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan M. Roads" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Let's be clear, I did not write that piece on Gunderson, I merely
forwarded it onto the list.
I say this because I have had two people assume I wrote it. I posted
it for comment, as I agree
that someone has some pretty detailed info and that always makes me
curious.

Duncan


On 23/12/2006, at 1:55 PM, mark urban wrote:

Duncan is the editor/publisher of Nexus. I am sure a perusal of his
website would give you a good idea of the kind of information he is
involved with. Duncan and I have bumped heads over Mike Ruppert
whenever I find something embarrassing to Ruppert.

Gunderson, If you have ever listened to one of his interviews, is a bit
of a blowhard who is revered in the alternative media; however, as far
as I am concerned, he is disinfo.

This is pretty much a spontaneous act in which my own view of Gunderson
was buttressed by the information Duncan forwarded, so I decided to
chime in.

Many people here have been participating in the BB since the late
nineties, and they are pretty well informed.

--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Harrison Deckard"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Boy, after reading that it would appear that someone's really done
> their homework. More than homework -- how does one get access to all
> of these details? Sounds like another rogue FBI/CIA agent on the
> loose, at least the fact-gathering techbiques and types of information
> (not to mention how this treatsie is presented) smacks of old-world
> CIA propaganda.
>
> Oh, and I tried sitbot.net -- link doesn't work. Drat, can't verify
> the original document.
>
> I'm not a supporter either way, but the thoroughness of this attack --
> replete with many a spurious appeal to authority -- seems a little
> suspect.
>
> --Harrison

Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[Duncan M. Roads]

Let's be clear, I did not write that piece on Gunderson, I merely  
forwarded it onto the list.
I say this because I have had two people assume I wrote it.  I posted  
it for comment, as I agree
that someone has some pretty detailed info and that always makes me  
curious.

Duncan


On 23/12/2006, at 1:55 PM, mark urban wrote:

Duncan is the editor/publisher of Nexus. I am sure a perusal of his
website would give you a good idea of the kind of information he is
involved with. Duncan and I have bumped heads over Mike Ruppert
whenever I find something embarrassing to Ruppert.

Gunderson, If you have ever listened to one of his interviews, is a bit
of a blowhard who is revered in the alternative media; however, as far
as I am concerned, he is disinfo.

This is pretty much a spontaneous act in which my own view of Gunderson
was buttressed by the information Duncan forwarded, so I decided to
chime in.

Many people here have been participating in the BB since the late
nineties, and they are pretty well informed.

   --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Harrison Deckard"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Boy, after reading that it would appear that someone's really done
> their homework. More than homework -- how does one get access to all
> of these details? Sounds like another rogue FBI/CIA agent on the
> loose, at least the fact-gathering techbiques and types of information
> (not to mention how this treatsie is presented) smacks of old-world
> CIA propaganda.
>
> Oh, and I tried sitbot.net -- link doesn't work. Drat, can't verify
> the original document.
>
> I'm not a supporter either way, but the thoroughness of this attack --
> replete with many a spurious appeal to authority -- seems a little
> suspect.
>
> --Harrison
>




Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.

OM

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Duncan M. Roads,  Editor, NEXUS Magazine
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia.
Tel:  07 5442 9280;  Fax:  07 5442 9381
http://www.nexusmagazine.com

"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the  
means.  On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
(Aldous Huxley)

Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[RoadsEnd]

try http://www.mail-archive.com/cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com/

On Dec 22, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Harrison Deckard wrote:


Boy, after reading that it would appear that someone's really done
their homework. More than homework -- how does one get access to all
of these details? Sounds like another rogue FBI/CIA agent on the
loose, at least the fact-gathering techbiques and types of information
(not to mention how this treatsie is presented) smacks of old-world
CIA propaganda.

Oh, and I tried sitbot.net -- link doesn't work. Drat, can't verify
the original document.

I'm not a supporter either way, but the thoroughness of this attack --
replete with many a spurious appeal to authority -- seems a little
suspect.

--Harrison



Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/

Please let us stay on topic and be civil.

OM

Yahoo! Groups Links

[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[mark urban]

Duncan is the editor/publisher of Nexus. I am sure a perusal of his 
website would give you a good idea of the kind of information he is 
involved with. Duncan and I have bumped heads over Mike Ruppert 
whenever I find something embarrassing to Ruppert. 

Gunderson, If you have ever listened to one of his interviews, is a bit 
of a blowhard who is revered in the alternative media; however, as far 
as I am concerned, he is disinfo.

This is pretty much a spontaneous act in which my own view of Gunderson 
was buttressed by the information Duncan forwarded, so I decided to 
chime in.

Many people here have been participating in the BB since the late 
nineties, and they are pretty well informed.

  --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Harrison Deckard" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Boy, after reading that it would appear that someone's really done
> their homework. More than homework -- how does one get access to all
> of these details? Sounds like another rogue FBI/CIA agent on the
> loose, at least the fact-gathering techbiques and types of information
> (not to mention how this treatsie is presented) smacks of old-world
> CIA propaganda.
> 
> Oh, and I tried sitbot.net -- link doesn't work. Drat, can't verify
> the original document.
> 
> I'm not a supporter either way, but the thoroughness of this attack --
> replete with many a spurious appeal to authority -- seems a little
> suspect.
> 
> --Harrison
>

[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Ted Gunderson: A Treatise of Lies

[Harrison Deckard]

Boy, after reading that it would appear that someone's really done
their homework. More than homework -- how does one get access to all
of these details? Sounds like another rogue FBI/CIA agent on the
loose, at least the fact-gathering techbiques and types of information
(not to mention how this treatsie is presented) smacks of old-world
CIA propaganda.

Oh, and I tried sitbot.net -- link doesn't work. Drat, can't verify
the original document.

I'm not a supporter either way, but the thoroughness of this attack --
replete with many a spurious appeal to authority -- seems a little
suspect.

--Harrison