[cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dailyreckoning.us/blog/?p=465 Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? August 6th, 2007 My colleagues and I at the Daily Reckoning talk frequently about two big themes: The reality of Peak Oil, and the rise of China. But what happens when those two big themes intersect? A question I put recently to DR Australia editor Dan Denning. He writes: You see all these trajectories of China's growth. But it assumes the energy will magically appear to make that happen. Cheap energy must be the limit on growth.you'd think so anyway. That's why China is racing ahead with all sorts of energy projects. But even those may not be enough.in which case I'd guess China's breakneck growth will accelerate the depletion of resources.and lead to higher energy prices faster. Sort of a positive feedback loop that ends..with a contraction in global growth.a massive energy shock lasting many years. The wild card is how quickly other sources of transportation fuel or base load for the electric grid can come on line and be scaled up.biofuels.renewables.nuclear.this whole portfolio of alternatives needs to get moving. But it IS moving.we just don't know if it's fast enough or robust enough to support a massively urbanized population. I sure wouldn't want to live in Shanghai for more than a few weeks. So the race is on. In a sense, the question is: Will China grow quickly enough to fully industrialize before energy becomes so expensive that the phenomenon of rising energy prices itself will short-circuit industrialization? Sorta like the question of whether China can grow rich before it grows old - and have enough resources on hand to care for an aging population. Last 5 posts by dave a.. Divided government reconsidered - August 6th, 2007 b.. What's driving $78 oil - August 3rd, 2007 c.. The yuan's turning point -- and the dollar's - August 3rd, 2007 d.. Never mind - August 2nd, 2007 e.. Iraqi oil to Israeli port? - August 1st, 2007
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=heavy+watergate i sent that article, NOT because believe in peak oil, but because the emerging economic threat of china is one part of the peak oil scam. on the one hand it will be blamed for high prices, vis a vis increased demand and also fake oil shortages will be an economic weapon against china. there are free enegy sources that are well known, but suppressed. - Original Message - From: mark urban To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dailyreckoning.us/blog/?p=465 Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? August 6th, 2007 My colleagues and I at the Daily Reckoning talk frequently about two big themes: The reality of Peak Oil, and the rise of China. But what happens when those two big themes intersect? A question I put recently to DR Australia editor Dan Denning. He writes: You see all these trajectories of China's growth. But it assumes the energy will magically appear to make that happen. Cheap energy must be the limit on growth.you'd think so anyway. That's why China is racing ahead with all sorts of energy projects. But even those may not be enough.in which case I'd guess China's breakneck growth will accelerate the depletion ofresources.and lead to higher energy prices faster. Sort of a positive feedback loop that ends..with a contraction in global growth.a massive energy shock lasting many years. The wild card is how quickly other sources of transportation fuel or base load for the electric grid can come on line and be scaled up.biofuels.renewables.nuclear.this whole portfolio of alternatives needs to get moving. But it IS moving.we just don't know if it's fast enough or robust enough to support a massively urbanized population. I sure wouldn't want to live in Shanghai for more than a few weeks. So the race is on. In a sense, the question is: Will China grow quickly enough to fully industrialize before energy becomes so expensive that the phenomenon of rising energy prices itself will short-circuit industrialization? Sorta like the question of whether China can grow rich before it grows old - and have enough resourcs on hand to care for an aging population. Last 5 posts by dave a.. Divided government reconsidered - August 6th, 2007 b.. What's driving $78 oil - August 3rd, 2007 c.. The yuan's turning point -- and the dollar's - August 3rd, 2007 d.. Never mind - August 2nd, 2007 e.. Iraqi oil to Israeli port? - August 1st, 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM
[cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise?
I think the amazing thing is that a society like China's can maintain rule while letting something like this go like wild fire through its industrial base. oil at best will remain a source for plastics and fertilizer; however, the energy stranglehold is a canard. The boys will just have to figure another way to keep the serfs working on the manor. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=heavy+watergate i sent that article, NOT because believe in peak oil, but because the emerging economic threat of china is one part of the peak oil scam. on the one hand it will be blamed for high prices, vis a vis increased demand and also fake oil shortages will be an economic weapon against china. there are free enegy sources that are well known, but suppressed. - Original Message - From: mark urban To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefulnerd@ wrote: http://www.dailyreckoning.us/blog/?p=465 Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? August 6th, 2007 My colleagues and I at the Daily Reckoning talk frequently about two big themes: The reality of Peak Oil, and the rise of China. But what happens when those two big themes intersect? A question I put recently to DR Australia editor Dan Denning. He writes: You see all these trajectories of China's growth. But it assumes the energy will magically appear to make that happen. Cheap energy must be the limit on growth.you'd think so anyway. That's why China is racing ahead with all sorts of energy projects. But even those may not be enough.in which case I'd guess China's breakneck growth will accelerate the depletion ofresources.and lead to higher energy prices faster. Sort of a positive feedback loop that ends..with a contraction in global growth.a massive energy shock lasting many years. The wild card is how quickly other sources of transportation fuel or base load for the electric grid can come on line and be scaled up.biofuels.renewables.nuclear.this whole portfolio of alternatives needs to get moving. But it IS moving.we just don't know if it's fast enough or robust enough to support a massively urbanized population. I sure wouldn't want to live in Shanghai for more than a few weeks. So the race is on. In a sense, the question is: Will China grow quickly enough to fully industrialize before energy becomes so expensive that the phenomenon of rising energy prices itself will short-circuit industrialization? Sorta like the question of whether China can grow rich before it grows old - and have enough resourcs on hand to care for an aging population. Last 5 posts by dave a.. Divided government reconsidered - August 6th, 2007 b.. What's driving $78 oil - August 3rd, 2007 c.. The yuan's turning point -- and the dollar's - August 3rd, 2007 d.. Never mind - August 2nd, 2007 e.. Iraqi oil to Israeli port? - August 1st, 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM
[cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise?
The Chinese are play acting the script on HIV drug genocide via killing red blood cells, avian flu hoax to confiscate non-factory poultry, and so they will probably play Peak Oil for Ruppertfeller standardized oil scenario. The Russians are playing, too, with part of their arctic show last week being to mention how much oil is under the polar ice cap at ridiculous depths. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the amazing thing is that a society like China's can maintain rule while letting something like this go like wild fire through its industrial base. oil at best will remain a source for plastics and fertilizer; however, the energy stranglehold is a canard. The boys will just have to figure another way to keep the serfs working on the manor. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefulnerd@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=heavy+watergate i sent that article, NOT because believe in peak oil, but because the emerging economic threat of china is one part of the peak oil scam. on the one hand it will be blamed for high prices, vis a vis increased demand and also fake oil shortages will be an economic weapon against china. there are free enegy sources that are well known, but suppressed. - Original Message - From: mark urban To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefulnerd@ wrote: http://www.dailyreckoning.us/blog/?p=465 Will Peak Oil short-circuit China's rise? August 6th, 2007 My colleagues and I at the Daily Reckoning talk frequently about two big themes: The reality of Peak Oil, and the rise of China. But what happens when those two big themes intersect? A question I put recently to DR Australia editor Dan Denning. He writes: You see all these trajectories of China's growth. But it assumes the energy will magically appear to make that happen. Cheap energy must be the limit on growth.you'd think so anyway. That's why China is racing ahead with all sorts of energy projects. But even those may not be enough.in which case I'd guess China's breakneck growth will accelerate the depletion ofresources.and lead to higher energy prices faster. Sort of a positive feedback loop that ends..with a contraction in global growth.a massive energy shock lasting many years. The wild card is how quickly other sources of transportation fuel or base load for the electric grid can come on line and be scaled up.biofuels.renewables.nuclear.this whole portfolio of alternatives needs to get moving. But it IS moving.we just don't know if it's fast enough or robust enough to support a massively urbanized population. I sure wouldn't want to live in Shanghai for more than a few weeks. So the race is on. In a sense, the question is: Will China grow quickly enough to fully industrialize before energy becomes so expensive that the phenomenon of rising energy prices itself will short-circuit industrialization? Sorta like the question of whether China can grow rich before it grows old - and have enough resourcs on hand to care for an aging population. Last 5 posts by dave a.. Divided government reconsidered - August 6th, 2007 b.. What's driving $78 oil - August 3rd, 2007 c.. The yuan's turning point -- and the dollar's - August 3rd, 2007 d.. Never mind - August 2nd, 2007 e.. Iraqi oil to Israeli port? - August 1st, 2007 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM
