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+1 on the performance of Amsterdam, shocking. MPLS + jumbo frames absolutely
useless. Went with 16.3.6 to get around all said issues and seems stable as a
ibgp RR with the couple of licenses I need to run that contact the cisco smart
system.
On 22 Nov 2021, at 11:43 pm, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 11/22/21 14:10, Robert Hass wrote:
> We will keep our ASR 9001 until support will expire, but for small Edge nodes.
>
> Well it is hard to trust Cisco currently.
>
> I can recall our CSR 1000V story (permament licenses). CSR 1000V
> permament licenses are EoL/EoS. But subscription CSR 1000V are not, so
> you need to pay again for something you already paid for.
> Next move was Catalyst 8000V which is CSR 1000V but with just new name,
>
> How to deceive a customer who bought licenses?
> 1. Release a newer version under a newer name (Catalyst 8000V).
> 2. Retiring the previous product/version - EoS/EoL - CSR 1000V.
> 3. By that you simply stop discussion regarding perpetual ->
> subscrption model change
> 4. Done. Dear customers - pay again for same piece of software!
Oh dear, sorry to hear that. But that's exactly the kind of nonsense we are
running away from Cisco for.
We love the CSR1000v, but we are not running the latest & greatest. We use them
primarily for iBGP route reflection, and have settled on 15.5(3)S9 - a.k.a.
3.16(09)S - for some time now, even though it shipped in March of 2019. It has
all the relevant BGP features we need now, and into the future, so we aren't
worried about running old code.
We did attempt upgrading them to Amsterdam - 17.3(4a) - but that was as
cluster-f* of note. First, due to some issue between later versions of CSR1000v
(16.x and higher) and how VMware identifies interface drivers, you lose the
ability to set Jumbo frames, even if the host supports it. This totally broke
iBGP sessions because IS-IS was confused, without looking confused.
Secondly, the license drama went to hell, same way you describe. But what I
didn't know is that Cisco make you pay again for it; what horror! I just
assumed they'd honour your previous permanent license, and port you over.
Thanks for that!
Anyway, we downgraded back to what we are running today, and are happy. Our
perpetual licenses are still valid, for the code we run.
If you need the newer code, I'd recommend taking a hard look at vMX or vSR,
just for a better account management situation, if nothing else.
Mark.
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