Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
I got in touch with the ASR1000 PM's. I had remembered seeing a discussion on it. I can see both sides of the fence on this one. Originally what the BU really wanted was two feature sets (Base and Advanced Enterprise Services) and they were priced accordingly. A number of customers wanted a feature set that didn't have any of the legacy protocols supported in it. Basically an image that didn't even have the code in it that could be turned on. Therefore the BU had to go back and restructure a bunch of their release and test cycles to incorporate it. I'm sure they would have rather just had the two feature sets only to simply the release process and testing for the platform. Rodney On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:16:03AM +0100, Dean Smith wrote: Given recent experience on IOS in general I suspect the difference is that the Enterprise code has no QA and the SP has virtually no QA We already have ASRs and the pricing difference is indeed there. No-one could really explain it to us. Dean - Original Message - From: Dirk-Jan van Helmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Ben Steele wrote: The whole Enterprise being cheaper than base is still a bit confusing to me having just put an order in for a couple of ASR1002's, can anyone explain to me why you would buy base when enterprise is cheaper and by default the 1002 is filled to 4GB RAM? The only thing I can think of re: why providers would opt for the advanced IP services code rather than enterprise is that the enterprise releases tend to have way more cruft than providers want. Less cruft = fewer potential interoperability problems, security vulnerabilities, bugs of a non-security nature, etc. As for why the advanced IP services code is more expensive than enterprise, I don't know. I'm half-inclined to say it's a typo :) I'd suggest asking your account team to justify the pricing discrepancy. I think they'll say it's because the SP image has better QA. (Or the Ent. image has worse). regards, Dirk ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Ben Steele wrote: The whole Enterprise being cheaper than base is still a bit confusing to me having just put an order in for a couple of ASR1002's, can anyone explain to me why you would buy base when enterprise is cheaper and by default the 1002 is filled to 4GB RAM? The only thing I can think of re: why providers would opt for the advanced IP services code rather than enterprise is that the enterprise releases tend to have way more cruft than providers want. Less cruft = fewer potential interoperability problems, security vulnerabilities, bugs of a non-security nature, etc. As for why the advanced IP services code is more expensive than enterprise, I don't know. I'm half-inclined to say it's a typo :) I'd suggest asking your account team to justify the pricing discrepancy. I think they'll say it's because the SP image has better QA. (Or the Ent. image has worse). regards, Dirk ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Given recent experience on IOS in general I suspect the difference is that the Enterprise code has no QA and the SP has virtually no QA We already have ASRs and the pricing difference is indeed there. No-one could really explain it to us. Dean - Original Message - From: Dirk-Jan van Helmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Ben Steele wrote: The whole Enterprise being cheaper than base is still a bit confusing to me having just put an order in for a couple of ASR1002's, can anyone explain to me why you would buy base when enterprise is cheaper and by default the 1002 is filled to 4GB RAM? The only thing I can think of re: why providers would opt for the advanced IP services code rather than enterprise is that the enterprise releases tend to have way more cruft than providers want. Less cruft = fewer potential interoperability problems, security vulnerabilities, bugs of a non-security nature, etc. As for why the advanced IP services code is more expensive than enterprise, I don't know. I'm half-inclined to say it's a typo :) I'd suggest asking your account team to justify the pricing discrepancy. I think they'll say it's because the SP image has better QA. (Or the Ent. image has worse). regards, Dirk ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
On Monday 29 September 2008 05:16:03 Dean Smith wrote: Given recent experience on IOS in general I suspect the difference is that the Enterprise code has no QA and the SP has virtually no QA We already have ASRs and the pricing difference is indeed there. No-one could really explain it to us. Perception of higher quality in an SP-oriented release, I guess. Reminds me of a time several years back when I purchased some PVC conduit weatherheads for a project I was doing; I bought two 1-1/2 inch weatherheads, and two 2 inch weatherheads; the 2 inchers being twice the price of the 1-1/2 inchers. The counter sales rep put the four weatherheads (along with other things I needed) into a box, which I carried home. Once home I opened the box, and thought the sales guy had put four 2 inchers in by mistake, until I looked very closely. He had sold me, as 1-1/2 inch weatherheads, 2 inch weatherheads with glued-in 1-1/2 reducers. More materials, higher cost; lower price. Go figure. Pricing has everything to do with how much one is willing to pay. -- Lamar Owen Chief Information Officer Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 http://www.pari.edu ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Except on ASR1000, where the full-blown Advanced Enterprise image (positioned for Enterprise users) is 10kUSD list, vs. the stripped-down Advanced IP image (positioned for Service Providers) is 15kUSD. Well, and for the AdvEnt image, you need more RAM and FLASH, which amounts to 7kUSD, no? There's nothing wrong with buying AES but actually running AIS, not even by 'Cisco law'. -A ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
The whole Enterprise being cheaper than base is still a bit confusing to me having just put an order in for a couple of ASR1002's, can anyone explain to me why you would buy base when enterprise is cheaper and by default the 1002 is filled to 4GB RAM? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists Sent: Monday, 29 September 2008 7:01 AM To: 'Gert Doering' Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities Except on ASR1000, where the full-blown Advanced Enterprise image (positioned for Enterprise users) is 10kUSD list, vs. the stripped-down Advanced IP image (positioned for Service Providers) is 15kUSD. Well, and for the AdvEnt image, you need more RAM and FLASH, which amounts to 7kUSD, no? There's nothing wrong with buying AES but actually running AIS, not even by 'Cisco law'. -A ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.4/1695 - Release Date: 28/09/2008 1:30 PM ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008, Ben Steele wrote: The whole Enterprise being cheaper than base is still a bit confusing to me having just put an order in for a couple of ASR1002's, can anyone explain to me why you would buy base when enterprise is cheaper and by default the 1002 is filled to 4GB RAM? The only thing I can think of re: why providers would opt for the advanced IP services code rather than enterprise is that the enterprise releases tend to have way more cruft than providers want. Less cruft = fewer potential interoperability problems, security vulnerabilities, bugs of a non-security nature, etc. As for why the advanced IP services code is more expensive than enterprise, I don't know. I'm half-inclined to say it's a typo :) I'd suggest asking your account team to justify the pricing discrepancy. jms ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Hi, On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:50:42PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:00:16AM -0500, Justin C. Darby wrote: You should really shop by feature set. Advanced Enterprise IOS licenses are expensive. Except on ASR1000, where the full-blown Advanced Enterprise image (positioned for Enterprise users) is 10kUSD list, vs. the stripped-down Advanced IP image (positioned for Service Providers) is 15kUSD. Well, and for the AdvEnt image, you need more RAM and FLASH, which amounts to 7kUSD, no? gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! //www.muc.de/~gert/ Gert Doering - Munich, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +49-89-35655025[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpdYeX3QqfoW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:22:38AM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: You should really shop by feature set. Advanced Enterprise IOS licenses are expensive. Except on ASR1000, where the full-blown Advanced Enterprise image (positioned for Enterprise users) is 10kUSD list, vs. the stripped-down Advanced IP image (positioned for Service Providers) is 15kUSD. Well, and for the AdvEnt image, you need more RAM and FLASH, which amounts to 7kUSD, no? The smalles ASR1K (1002) comes with 4GB RAM by default, the others (replacable routing engines) do come with 2GB by default. I'm not aware of any special RAM upgrades required for AdvEnt. Upgrade from 2G to 4G is 2kUSD list btw. Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:00:16AM -0500, Justin C. Darby wrote: You should really shop by feature set. Advanced Enterprise IOS licenses are expensive. Except on ASR1000, where the full-blown Advanced Enterprise image (positioned for Enterprise users) is 10kUSD list, vs. the stripped-down Advanced IP image (positioned for Service Providers) is 15kUSD. Well, let's pretend we're not a Service Provider then and take the full feature set for less bucks. :) Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0 ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Hi list, I am trying to maximize my router's capabilty by maximizing its DRAM and Flash. Now I am trying to maximize IOS capabilities. Which is better to load, advance IP IOS or Enterprise IOS? THanks! Chris ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
You load the one you are licensed for... Michael Balasko -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dracul Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:01 AM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities Hi list, I am trying to maximize my router's capabilty by maximizing its DRAM and Flash. Now I am trying to maximize IOS capabilities. Which is better to load, advance IP IOS or Enterprise IOS? THanks! Chris ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Dracul wrote: Thanks all, Assuming budget is not a hindrance. So should I go for the advance enterprise? Advance enterprise is different from advanced-ip series? Yes, they're different. It's not about budget, it's about what's right for your network. Feature-loaded sometimes translates to bug-loaded. pt ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Assuming budget is not a hindrance. So should I go for the advance enterprise? Advance enterprise is different from advanced-ip series? http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps8802/ps5460/prod_bulletin0900aecd80281b17.html ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
You should really shop by feature set. Advanced Enterprise IOS licenses are expensive. If you don't need all of the features present, you should only license the features you need. Expanding DRAM and Flash beyond what is required for the image you need is also sometimes expensive, depending on which router you have. We can't tell you which IOS does what unless we know which router you're using. Features change by platform. Ideally, you can figure out which features you need by reading through the IOS documentation at http://cisco.com/go/ios , then use the feature navigator linked below to find an appropriate image for your router. Justin On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Dracul wrote: Thanks all, Assuming budget is not a hindrance. So should I go for the advance enterprise? Advance enterprise is different from advanced-ip series? regards, Chris On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dracul wrote: Hi list, I am trying to maximize my router's capabilty by maximizing its DRAM and Flash. Now I am trying to maximize IOS capabilities. Which is better to load, advance IP IOS or Enterprise IOS? cisco.com/go/fn Use the image that supports the set of features you need or think you may need. -- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net| _ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_ -- === Support www.gawadkalinga.org ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Maximizing Router capabilities
Hi, On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:01:18PM +0800, Dracul wrote: I am trying to maximize my router's capabilty by maximizing its DRAM and Flash. Now I am trying to maximize IOS capabilities. Which is better to load, advance IP IOS or Enterprise IOS? whatever you have paid for - this is an obvious troll, isn't it? gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW! //www.muc.de/~gert/ Gert Doering - Munich, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: +49-89-35655025[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpFD6pQDvLit.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
