Re: [c-nsp] OT: Plea for [snip]
On 8/17/10 2:46 AM, Asif Gul Khan wrote: [snipped plea for charitable donations] By definition, this list is email. By definition, it is bulk. Pleas for donations for charitable causes, no matter how worthy, in my opinion and understanding of the purpose and charter of this list are by definition unsolicited here. Unsolicited bulk email by definition is spam. In the spirit of the Boulder Pledge, I would encourage the subscribers of this list to donate to charities that do not participate in or condone network abuse in their promotional efforts. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] OT: Plea for [snip]
On 17/08/2010 18:15, Jay Hennigan wrote: In the spirit of the Boulder Pledge, I would encourage the subscribers of this list to donate to charities that do not participate in or condone network abuse in their promotional efforts. Jay, I don't think you'd be saying this if half of California were under water (about the size affected in .pk), two thirds the population of CA were displaced by these floods, with 2000 dead, cholera breaking out, starvation looming for 6 million people due to the country's bread-basket being washed into the ocean and the United Nations calling it the worst humanitarian disaster in living memory. And another thing: given the circumstances, equating Asif Gul Khan's email with spam is nauseously crass. disgusted, Nick ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] OT: Plea for [snip]
On 8/17/10 12:46 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: I don't think you'd be saying this if half of California were under water (about the size affected in .pk), two thirds the population of CA were displaced by these floods, with 2000 dead, cholera breaking out, starvation looming for 6 million people due to the country's bread-basket being washed into the ocean and the United Nations calling it the worst humanitarian disaster in living memory. And the situation is very well publicized worldwide. Network news, print newspapers, radio, television, portal sites such as Yahoo and CNN, Red Cross campaigns, etc. I very seriously doubt that anyone on this list is learning about the situation here for the first time. And another thing: given the circumstances, equating Asif Gul Khan's email with spam is nauseously crass. If Asif and the rest of us are members of multiple technical lists, would it be appropriate for all of us to see this same message over and over on each of them? And if others are in the affected area, is it appropriate for each of them to post similar pleas to each and every mailing list to which they belong, regardless of the purpose of the list? As a data point, according to the archives this is the first and only post Asif has made to the list in over a year. I only checked back as far as August 2009. disgusted, It is a slippery slope. His is a worthy cause. People are in need, no question about it. However if everyone with a worthy cause posted to every unrelated forum, the signal-to-noise would become overwhelming. Where would you draw the line? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] OT: Plea for [snip]
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:44:20 -0700 Jay Hennigan j...@west.net wrote: It is a slippery slope. His is a worthy cause. People are in need, no question about it. However if everyone with a worthy cause posted to every unrelated forum, the signal-to-noise would become overwhelming. I would rather know how infrastructure problems are currently handled there, specifically telecommunication. My encounters in the western world are kind of soft in flooding/storm situations. Even Haiti was not that hard as pre-earthquake infrastructure was pretty good opposed to Pakistan, but still challenging organizational-wise. Although this is off-topic too, it's more related to our daily work. -- kind regards, dominik. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] OT: Plea for [snip]
Oh I'd definitely draw the line at this single post about a mediocre cause, Jay. I couldn't even fathom how quickly the world would crumble if he did it on more than one technical mailing list! That would be worse than say - I don't know - a natural disaster in Pakistan!! ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
