Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
I'm not sure what's your scenario, but I'll describe you a working one A router wih both subnets on the same interface, such as: interface FastEthernet0/0 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 ip address 192.168.2.1 255.255.255.0 secondary ip directed-broadcast ! Then, from a PC with the IP address 192.168.1.2 open the StartRun window and type \\192.168.2.2 (make sure that PC has some shared folder) This way there's no reason you can't see the other PC sharing, without needing DNS, WINS, AD or whatever... What else do they need? Regards, Ziv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Blodgett Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:39 PM To: james edwards Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets MS 2000. I am just looking to see if there is a router/network hardware solution for this. The do not want to map drives, they want to see all shares/printers in Network Barrio. Welcome to government. If there is not a network solution that is all I need to know; then it becomes not my problem. Not really a Windows guy either, but if you are running NBT (netbios over tcp), to get all the entries in the network neighborhood you would have to run a WINS server. If you disable NBT in favor of raw smb over TCP, I'm not sure but I'd guess the WINS functionality was put into active directory. Mike james -- *** * Michael Blodgett __ __ _ _ * * WAIL Lab Manager \ \/ /\ |_ _| | * * University of Wisconsin - Madison \ \ /\ / / \| | | | * * Rm 7394, 1210 W. Dayton \ \/ \/ / /\ \ | | | | * * Madison, WI, 53705\ /\ / \ _| |_| | * * 608-658-4093 \/ \/_/\_\_|__| * * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* *** ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
At 01:39 PM 2/14/2008, Mike Blodgett wrote: MS 2000. I am just looking to see if there is a router/network hardware solution for this. The do not want to map drives, they want to see all shares/printers in Network Barrio. Welcome to government. If there is not a network solution that is all I need to know; then it becomes not my problem. Not really a Windows guy either, but if you are running NBT (netbios over tcp), to get all the entries in the network neighborhood you would have to run a WINS server. If you disable NBT in favor of raw smb over TCP, I'm not sure but I'd guess the WINS functionality was put into active directory. WINS is old technology from Windows NT and hasn't been needed for WAN networking with Windows since 2000. If you are using active directory and only use Windows 2000/2003/2008/XP/Vista computers and haven't restricted any ports needed by Windows networking, just set the remote side to use the AD servers for DNS and the remote machines will register themselves and everything will just work. Obviously, all computers you want to talk need to have their default gateway and netmask set appropriately too. -Robert Tellurian Networks - Global Hosting Solutions Since 1995 http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
On 2/17/08, Robert Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:39 PM 2/14/2008, Mike Blodgett wrote: MS 2000. I am just looking to see if there is a router/network hardware solution for this. The do not want to map drives, they want to see all shares/printers in Network Barrio. Welcome to government. If there is not a network solution that is all I need to know; then it becomes not my problem. Not really a Windows guy either, but if you are running NBT (netbios over tcp), to get all the entries in the network neighborhood you would have to run a WINS server. If you disable NBT in favor of raw smb over TCP, I'm not sure but I'd guess the WINS functionality was put into active directory. WINS is old technology from Windows NT and hasn't been needed for WAN networking with Windows since 2000. If you are using active directory and only use Windows 2000/2003/2008/XP/Vista computers and haven't restricted any ports needed by Windows networking, just set the remote side to use the AD servers for DNS and the remote machines will register themselves and everything will just work. Obviously, all computers you want to talk need to have their default gateway and netmask set appropriately too. -Robert He will need a WINS server if he is wanting what I think he is (I'm a network guy but our shop is an enterprise windows 2003 AD setup). What he is most likely wanting is to beable to see other computers on differnet subnets through network neighborhood. There is only two ways to get that to happen. 1) Set up a WINS server and point all clients to that. 2)Have all clients be in the same broadcast domain or use IP-helper command to forward all broadcasts to the subnet that has the DHCP servers (if there are any). This will then allow you to view computers in network neighborhood. We had to do the ip helper setup since the boss didn't want a WINS server. Also without broadcast forwarding or a WINS server certain windows based tools won't work correct if they have to emunerate computers/roles or users. HTH Joseph ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
I am all thumbs with windows, I am a *nix guy so I am not sure how to pull this one off. I have an office with multiple subnets on the Ethernet interface (primary and secondary), which serves as the gateway for each subnet. The office wants to be able to see shares and printers from all computers, even if they are on another subnet. They do not want an AD server. I suspect this is a broadcast issue, from the little I know of MS, so thet would suggest an ip help-address. I am not finding the right doc on this at Cisco. Can anyone point be in the right direction ? Thanks, -- James H. Edwards Senior Network Systems Administrator Judicial Information Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
My knowledge is rather dated, but if I recall correctly RFC 1001/1002 govern NetBIOS over TCP networking. The systems have four modes of resolution - broadcast, point to point, and then the two methods combined with either broadcast or point to point primary. This has likely changed with the M$ attempt to embrace, distend, and break DNS. Under all of this you used to be able to create name to IP bindings via an lmhosts file ... Given the ever shifting M$ sands this is probably all quite dated now, so YMMV. You did not say which versions of Windows you're cursed with ... On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM, james edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all thumbs with windows, I am a *nix guy so I am not sure how to pull this one off. I have an office with multiple subnets on the Ethernet interface (primary and secondary), which serves as the gateway for each subnet. The office wants to be able to see shares and printers from all computers, even if they are on another subnet. They do not want an AD server. I suspect this is a broadcast issue, from the little I know of MS, so thet would suggest an ip help-address. I am not finding the right doc on this at Cisco. Can anyone point be in the right direction ? Thanks, -- James H. Edwards Senior Network Systems Administrator Judicial Information Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // GoogleTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM: nealrauhauser ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
SMB doesn't need NetBIOS over TCP/IP anymore, i.e. http://support.microsoft..com/kb/204279 This should give you anything else you might need in regards to MS-related Networking, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832017 As long as your DNS is well aware of these hosts (sounds like a pain to manage without AD, but ive been surprised before ..), you should be more than just fine. neal rauhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/14/08 11:17AM My knowledge is rather dated, but if I recall correctly RFC 1001/1002 govern NetBIOS over TCP networking. The systems have four modes of resolution - broadcast, point to point, and then the two methods combined with either broadcast or point to point primary. This has likely changed with the M$ attempt to embrace, distend, and break DNS. Under all of this you used to be able to create name to IP bindings via an lmhosts file ... Given the ever shifting M$ sands this is probably all quite dated now, so YMMV. You did not say which versions of Windows you're cursed with ... On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:06 AM, james edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all thumbs with windows, I am a *nix guy so I am not sure how to pull this one off. I have an office with multiple subnets on the Ethernet interface (primary and secondary), which serves as the gateway for each subnet. The office wants to be able to see shares and printers from all computers, even if they are on another subnet. They do not want an AD server. I suspect this is a broadcast issue, from the little I know of MS, so thet would suggest an ip help-address. I am not finding the right doc on this at Cisco. Can anyone point be in the right direction ? Thanks, -- James H. Edwards Senior Network Systems Administrator Judicial Information Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // GoogleTalk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM: nealrauhauser ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM, james edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, neal rauhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My knowledge is rather dated, but if I recall correctly RFC 1001/1002 govern NetBIOS over TCP networking. The systems have four modes of resolution - broadcast, point to point, and then the two methods combined with either broadcast or point to point primary. This has likely changed with the M$ attempt to embrace, distend, and break DNS. Under all of this you used to be able to create name to IP bindings via an lmhosts file ... Given the ever shifting M$ sands this is probably all quite dated now, so YMMV. You did not say which versions of Windows you're cursed with ... MS 2000. I am just looking to see if there is a router/network hardware solution for this. The do not want to map drives, they want to see all shares/printers in Network Barrio. Welcome to government. If there is not a network solution that is all I need to know; then it becomes not my problem. james -- James H. Edwards Senior Network Systems Administrator Judicial Information Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
James, What they need to do is setup a WINS server on one of their Windows Servers. Then configure all the clients to point to that WINS server. As long as everybody can ping then you should be fine. Another workaround is to establish the share by the IP address of the printer or workstation until you get WINS installed. WINS does not need AD. Patrick --Original Message-- From: james edwards To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Feb 14, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets I am all thumbs with windows, I am a *nix guy so I am not sure how to pull this one off. I have an office with multiple subnets on the Ethernet interface (primary and secondary), which serves as the gateway for each subnet. The office wants to be able to see shares and printers from all computers, even if they are on another subnet. They do not want an AD server. I suspect this is a broadcast issue, from the little I know of MS, so thet would suggest an ip help-address. I am not finding the right doc on this at Cisco. Can anyone point be in the right direction ? Thanks, -- James H. Edwards Senior Network Systems Administrator Judicial Information Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Windows networking across subnets
MS 2000. I am just looking to see if there is a router/network hardware solution for this. The do not want to map drives, they want to see all shares/printers in Network Barrio. Welcome to government. If there is not a network solution that is all I need to know; then it becomes not my problem. Not really a Windows guy either, but if you are running NBT (netbios over tcp), to get all the entries in the network neighborhood you would have to run a WINS server. If you disable NBT in favor of raw smb over TCP, I'm not sure but I'd guess the WINS functionality was put into active directory. Mike james -- *** * Michael Blodgett __ __ _ _ * * WAIL Lab Manager \ \/ /\ |_ _| | * * University of Wisconsin - Madison \ \ /\ / / \| | | | * * Rm 7394, 1210 W. Dayton \ \/ \/ / /\ \ | | | | * * Madison, WI, 53705\ /\ / \ _| |_| | * * 608-658-4093 \/ \/_/\_\_|__| * * [EMAIL PROTECTED]* *** ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
