Jay,
Not sure what you continue to refer to here about ***scraping cisco-nsp for
email addresses*** but to minimize your exposure, you may want to refrain
from making unsubstantiated allegations against corporate entities without
facts.
All that was suggested is simple, if folks have extra bandwidth, they should
clearly and concisely document best practices in a format that is easily
searchable and reusable for posterity. Whether that is mysolvr.com, CCO,
juniper.net, private blogs or impulse.net, it really doesn't matter.
Suggesting that someone taking the time to research and respond to a complex
2-day old GSR 12000 ASIC problem that no one else on the list had responded
to - is doing so for an ulterior motive is highly unprofessional. You need
to remove emotions from your list conversations and focus on the only reason
why everybody is here - to *voluntarily* help others solve their technical
problems. Remember, a list is only as good as the quality of the answers
people get from it.
eom on this matter.
eninja
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Jay Hennigan j...@west.net wrote:
John Osmon wrote:
Let me preafce my words with the thought that I find the most of the new
wikis, forums, and whatnots are poor substitutes for searchable text
archives.
Agreed.
However, I learned most of my foundation material from Usenet
in the late 80s and early 90s, so I might be biased...
Ditto.
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 06:51:07AM -0700, e ninja wrote:
Gert,
So if we apply your thought process, there is no value in capturing and
organizing re-usable intellectual capital? I guess you must think
Wikipedia
is useless and we should just trawl through the web and layers of email
threads to find simple answers to questions that have already been
answered?
You're putting words in Gert's mouth suggesting he derides the valuable
(free) services available. I've never met Gert, but would buy him a beer
if I found we were in the same room. Gert and others have helped
me (and others) countless times without need of any of the tools you
espouse -- so there is already value present without need for more work...
Agreed, and I'd buy him two. Issues brought to this list should be
discussed on this list and hopefully resolved on this list. A Go over
there for the answer response fragments discussion and actually tends to
make future searches for the same information less likely to succeed as
information on the web changes, links break, etc.
A response of Go over there for the answer from someone with a vested
interest in Over there is nothing more than an advertisement for Over
there.
Back to the main point:
There is value -- but who has to exert energy, and who reaps the
benefits?
Those looking for the information have to exert the energy, those trying to
commercialize it reap the benefits.
The value of any list is to share knowledge. If there are free tools out
there like mysolvr (a user-generated knowledge-base), that also allows us
to
go the extra mile of documenting and organizing re-usable know-how for
the
benefit of others, it is worth the effort.
Yes, there is likely value in organizing the info. However, is the
marginal value greater than the marginal cost? I'm of the opinion
that most of the people reading this list and the archives believe
that it works well as it is.
Agreed.
We have to work smarter, not harder.
Absolutely! However, I think that you've got a hard hill in front of
you trying to change the behavior of people using this list.
And the smart way to work is to avoid fragmenting the information. The
hard way is to fragment it among diffuse sites. The ethical way is to
resist hijacking threads to promote one's own website.
A smarter approach might be to start moving the data to your preferred
site on your own. Perhaps even building automated tools to do so. If
your idea catches on, you could very well end up with a reputation and
following like Jared and/or Gert. Until that occurs, I have doubts that
the wealth of info on cisco-nsp will be transferred to
another medium...
He doesn't want to move the information to his site on his own. He wants
us to do it for him. This began over a year ago with scraping cisco-nsp for
email addresses and spamming them with invitations. It went mostly
under-the-radar until his spambot went nuts and flooded its victims with
multiple invitations at once. Faded under the radar again and now he's back
hawking the sister site.
(With that said, I'd be happy to be proven wrong -- more knowledge is
better! I don't, however, think that I'd get enough out of the
process to spend my time doing any of the prep work...)
Agreed. And it fragments the information.
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