[CITTERN] Re: 18th C. EG on ebay

2007-02-27 Thread David Kilpatrick
Brad McEwen wrote:

Hi:
   
  Gavin Davenport sent me a link to eBay where there was a Paul hathway 
 Renaissance cittern for sale.  bidding has now ended on that one, but there 
 is  an EG for sale there.  It says mid 18th C English Guittar by james Earp.  
 However, it has a Portugues style headstock and fan tuners.
   
  Anyone have an idea about what this is, who th emaker was?  Could it be 
 evidence that the fan tuners were in fact not Portugues in origin but 
 British? Or was it imported by James Erp, rather than made by him?
   
  In any event, could it be one of the earliest examples of fan tuners?
   
  Item No. 130079810828
   
  


It's not an 18th c guittar, it's a 19th century Portuguese guitar into 
which someone has put a label. Mahogany was not used for instrument 
bodies in the mid-18th c, rosewood was not used for fingerboards, brass 
string plates were not put on the end, fingerboards were not made like 
that - etc etc etc. It's simply a much later instrument and is a 
Portuguese guitar, many of which were imported into Britain in the late 
19th century when there was a craze for playing them.

David



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[CITTERN] Re: 18th C. EG on ebay

2007-02-26 Thread Stuart Walsh
Brad McEwen wrote:
 Hi:

   Gavin Davenport sent me a link to eBay where there was a Paul hathway 
 Renaissance cittern for sale.  bidding has now ended on that one, but there 
 is  an EG for sale there.  It says mid 18th C English Guittar by james Earp.  
 However, it has a Portugues style headstock and fan tuners.

   Anyone have an idea about what this is, who th emaker was?  Could it be 
 evidence that the fan tuners were in fact not Portugues in origin but 
 British? Or was it imported by James Erp, rather than made by him?

   In any event, could it be one of the earliest examples of fan tuners?

   Item No. 130079810828

   Brad

   
Here's a direct link:

http://cgi.ebay.ie/mid-18th-century-Guitar-cittern-by-James-Earp_W0QQitemZ130079810828QQihZ003QQcategoryZ621QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder why the seller thinks it's from the mid 18th century? I've 
never come across James Earp - nor seen 18th century instruments with 
the maker's name so prominently displayed.

The use of mahogany for back and sides doesn't seem right. I don't think 
I recall seeing MoP inlays on the fretboard on 18th century instruments.

The strings configuration of 4x3 would be very unusual indeed.

Someone published a tutor for the Portuguese guitar in Britain in  the 
late 19th century. Maybe this instrument  is from that time rather than 
the mid 18th.






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