Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
Gerard Seibert wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. No, it's got nothing to do with taxes - it's a matter of practicality; getting budget approval for a business expense is much easier than for charity. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
[Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. Exactly what is the tax status of 'ClamAV'? I know I could probably look it up; however, I am just not that motivated at the present time. -- Gerard Ah, yes, divorce - from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet. Robin Williams ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
RE: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. Not even, just something so that the auditors have a paper trail and don't think funds are being missapropriated. I would imagine that the legal entity of ClamAV is not registered in the same tax neighbourhood as a great may of its users and potential funders... B ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. If so, is that a crime? Or for that matter wrong? I think not The truth of the matter is in a business setting (especially in a Corporate setting) you need to be able to show where funds are going. If we don't get a receipt (or at least an itemized invoice), you don't get paid. It's that simple. ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
[Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. You've never worked with corporate accountants, have you? Without a paper trail, the (correct) assumption is that the money is in whoever approved the expense's pocket. -- Dave Warren, MSN Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (204) 480-8407 Toll free: (888) 371-3470 Fax: (204) 283-6028 ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:14:52 -0700, you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. You've never worked with corporate accountants, have you? Without a paper trail, the (correct) assumption is that the money is in whoever approved the expense's pocket. Agreedif I can't produce a receipt of invoice for the bean counters, its out of my pocket. Period. Doesn't matter if its $1 or $1000. ===[George R. Kasica]===+1 262 677 0766 President +1 206 374 6482 FAX Netwrx Consulting Inc. Jackson, WI USA http://www.netwrx1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #12862186 ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:14:52 -0700, you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. Umm, that's not how it works here. Where I come from, any purchases made out of state on the Internet require that we internally calculate the sales tax and pay it to the state. At some point, in most states, every business is likely to get tax audited for these purchases. Laws are changing however. At some point in the future the state that sells the item will be required to calulate, collect and send the sales tax the the state where it was purchased. You've never worked with corporate accountants, have you? Without a paper trail, the (correct) assumption is that the money is in whoever approved the expense's pocket. Agreedif I can't produce a receipt of invoice for the bean counters, its out of my pocket. Period. Doesn't matter if its $1 or $1000. ===[George R. Kasica]===+1 262 677 0766 _ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-ussource=hmtagline ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
[Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:14:52 -0700, you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. Umm, that's not how it works here. Where I come from, any purchases made out of state on the Internet require that we internally calculate the sales tax and pay it to the state. At some point, in most states, every business is likely to get tax audited for these purchases. Laws are changing however. At some point in the future the state that sells the item will be required to calulate, collect and send the sales tax the the state where it was purchased. There are different types of tax -- sales tax is entirely in the eyes of the payee, the payer has no obligation to ensure that the payee pays taxes. Imagine if the gov't came after you for shopping at Walmart because Walmart didn't pay enough sales tax to the gov't. Income tax is another ballpark -- As a business, I pay income tax on every penny the company brings in, unless it leaves the company in some way. If I get audited, any penny I can't account for as an expense is subject to income tax. Now for tax reasons, a receipt is sufficient. A print out of a website showing how to give donations, and a PayPal receipt showing the donation would be sufficient. For an accountant, however, receipts aren't everything, you often need a PO, an invoice AND a receipt in order for the expense to be counted. As a small business owner, my accountant listens to me. As an employee in a large company, if I want the expense to be reimbursed (or authorized if it's paid directly), I'd damn well better listen to the accountant. There. Now with all of that being said, year end is coming, time to do some open-source donations to projects that make my professional life easier. ClamAV will probably be on that list since it's doing a better job on my mail server then my paid AV product. -- Dave Warren, MSN Instant Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (204) 480-8407 Toll free: (888) 371-3470 Fax: (204) 283-6028 ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
OT: Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
--As of November 8, 2006 7:13:17 PM -0700, Dave Warren is alleged to have said: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm, that's not how it works here. Where I come from, any purchases made out of state on the Internet require that we internally calculate the sales tax and pay it to the state. At some point, in most states, every business is likely to get tax audited for these purchases. Laws are changing however. At some point in the future the state that sells the item will be required to calulate, collect and send the sales tax the the state where it was purchased. There are different types of tax -- sales tax is entirely in the eyes of the payee, the payer has no obligation to ensure that the payee pays taxes. Imagine if the gov't came after you for shopping at Walmart because Walmart didn't pay enough sales tax to the gov't. --As for the rest, it is mine. ...Except that, in the US, for out of state purchases where you didn't pay sales tax in the other state because you weren't there (mail-order and Internet sales, in other words), you are supposed to report how much you spent and pay local sales tax on it. Yeah, it's stupid. But technically, that's the way it's supposed to work at the moment. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
Re: [Clamav-users] Re: To ClamAV Developers: donation question
Dave Warren wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday November 08, 2006 at 11:16:21 (AM) Sergei Lavrov wrote: Some of the businesses I know do want to make donations. But is ClamAV able to issue invoice ? In other words, you are looking for a tax write off. You've never worked with corporate accountants, have you? I don't have a dog in this fight because I've already begun sending in payments, but... I think a better business model would be to go after more accounts like Barracuda. At least there's a real relationship, a real contract, and it's hidden (kinda) from the rest of us. dp ___ http://lurker.clamav.net/list/clamav-users.html
