Re: [clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote:

 ... but isn't this a bit off topic?

Yes it is - but the OP asked here as he was having problems with this list.

 In this particular case, he's got a local configuration issue nothing really 
 to 
 do with clamav, SPF, or DKIM (as a protocol).

Yes it's a local config problem (he needs to turn off DKIM, or at least turn it 
down to the point where it's virtually useless), but it's a hard stretch to say 
it's nothing to do with DKIM since DKIM *IS* his problem !

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Re: [clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 07:42:00 Simon Hobson wrote:
 Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote:
  ... but isn't this a bit off topic?
 
 Yes it is - but the OP asked here as he was having problems with this list.
 
  In this particular case, he's got a local configuration issue nothing
  really to do with clamav, SPF, or DKIM (as a protocol).
 
 Yes it's a local config problem (he needs to turn off DKIM, or at least turn
 it down to the point where it's virtually useless), but it's a hard stretch
 to say it's nothing to do with DKIM since DKIM *IS* his problem !

No, sending bounces to the list is his problem.  They happened to be DKIM 
bounces in this case, but bouncing messages to any list will get to 
unsubscribed.

Scott K

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Re: [clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-29 Thread Simon Hobson
Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote:

 No, sending bounces to the list is his problem.

Sorry, but that's a relatively common techie attitude - ignore the fact that 
the end user probably has no idea what's going on (else why ask for help about 
it ?) From the USER perspective, he has a problem with using this list, and 
has asked for help identifying WHY. His problem is **NOT** sending bounces, his 
problem is list server is unsubbing him and/or he isn't getting all the mails 
- bouncing mails is a *cause* of that, and DKIM is a *cause* of that.

As you say, the discussion of the merits or otherwise of DKIM and/or SPF out OT 
for this list, but the OP didn't know that that was the problem until he asked 
the question. Now he knows what the underlying issue is - he can address it, 
asking for help in an appropriate forum if required.

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[clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-28 Thread Marcello Lupo
Hello,
from some days I moved my domain on a DKIM capable server and I’m getting some 
of this:

**
2014-05-28 18:06:42.217820500 CHKUSER accepted sender: from 
clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net|remoteinfo/auth:|chkuser-identify: 
remote 
helo:lists.clamav.net|remotehostname:unknown|remotehostip:198.148.79.53 rcpt 
 : sender accepted
2014-05-28 18:06:42.222425500 CHKUSER accepted rcpt: from 
clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net|remoteinfo/auth:|chkuser-identify: 
remote 
helo:lists.clamav.net|remotehostname:unknown|remotehostip:198.148.79.53 rcpt 
ml...@itspecialist.it : found existing recipient

2014-05-28 18:06:42.646673500 qmail-smtpd: message rejected (qmail-dkim: 
signature verify error: message body does not hash to bh value (#5.7.7)): 
clamav-users-boun...@lists.clamav.net from 198.148.79.53 to 
ml...@itspecialist.it helo lists.clamav.net
**

Due to this errors the mailing list itself told me that my subscription was 
disabled due to excessive bounces and I had to enable it manually again.
Have you any idea of the reason for this problem and how to let it go away?
As now I’m loosing some messages from the list for sure.

Thank you
Bye
Marcello







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Re: [clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-28 Thread Simon Hobson
Marcello Lupo ml...@itspecialist.it wrote:

 Have you any idea of the reason for this problem and how to let it go away?

Other than DKIM breaks stuff

 As now I’m loosing some messages from the list for sure.

Stop using mailing lists OR stop using DKIM
Or you might be able to tune DKIM to exclude the message content - which rather 
defeats the object.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail#Annotations_by_mailing_lists


SPF has the same problem.

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Re: [clamav-users] clamav-users-bounces DKIM signature verify error

2014-05-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 17:31:27 Simon Hobson wrote:
 Marcello Lupo ml...@itspecialist.it wrote:
  Have you any idea of the reason for this problem and how to let it go
  away?
 
 Other than DKIM breaks stuff
 
  As now I’m loosing some messages from the list for sure.
 
 Stop using mailing lists OR stop using DKIM
 Or you might be able to tune DKIM to exclude the message content - which
 rather defeats the object.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail#Annotations_by_maili
 ng_lists
 
 
 SPF has the same problem.

Not at all.  SPF suffers in some other scenarios, but mailing lists that aren't 
just simpler list expanders work just fine with SPF,  but isn't this a bit off 
topic?

In this particular case, he's got a local configuration issue nothing really to 
do with clamav, SPF, or DKIM (as a protocol).

Scott K
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