Re: Clojure community organisation
I've been discussing with Tom Marble the feasibility of putting Clojars under the umbrella of the Software Freedom Conservancy, since it has an OSS codebase (which is a requirement for the SFC, and something that is lacking from the CCO proposal, since moving Clojure itself under the SFC isn't an option). If Clojars is accepted to the SFC, it would allow us to take larger donations and corporate sponsorships. I expect we would have more money than we need for Clojars itself (we are approaching that now with the BountySource campaign), and I intend to use the extra money to fund development of other OSS tools in the Clojure community. We would also be willing to take over handing the GSoC funds (again, assuming we get accepted into the SFC). If a community organization comes into existence in the future, we would be willing to hand GSoC fund management over, and potentially direct our extra funds that way as well. Basically, I see Clojars-as-a-community-organization as a stepping stone to a broader community organization, if anyone ever takes that step. I'm working on the SFC application now, and just have a few more questions to answer. Once that is done, we'll be on the list for consideration by the SFC Evaluation Committee, and should be evaluated in the next couple of months. Devin: I have a few questions for the application that I'm hoping you can help with, since they relate to the redesign work you were involved in last year. I'll send them off-list. On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Devin Walters wrote: > This initiative seems overdue by a couple years. I would like to offer some > non-trivial portion of my time. Is there anywhere people could donate to > ensure this becomes a valuable and positive community reality? > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:38 PM Alex Miller wrote: >> >> I don't think we have any official position on it, but I can respond to >> various items that have been mentioned above in the thread: >> >> 1) Google Summer of Code - we (Cognitect) are again acting as a receiver >> of stipends and distributor of travel funds this year but would happily let >> another org do that instead. Cognitect currently provides free tickets for >> GSOC students to attend once conference in the year following their >> participation, and we would be happy to continue doing so. >> >> 2) clojure.org / documentation - we are very far along in the process of >> open sourcing the content on http://clojure.org. All of the content for the >> new version of the site is available at >> http://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and open for contributions via pull >> request. There are a bunch of issues there with things to do if you want to >> help. I am spending most of my time right now finalizing the >> staging/deployment/ci infrastructure for that and it is inching ever closer >> to being ready to go live as the real site. >> >> 3) CLAs, github, jira, confluence, hudson - Cognitect does not have plans >> to give up control of these sites. Community members have rights to access >> these sites already. I have spent a fair amount of time moving towards >> hosted cloud versions of some of these in the last couple months - the work >> involved is ... painful. Once clojure.org is live, I plan to put these back >> on priority list. >> >> 4) Conferences - Cognitect has no plans to give up the organization of the >> three Clojure conferences we run (Clojure/Conj, Clojure/West, and >> EuroClojure). Other people or organizations are of course welcome and >> encouraged to create their own events - we already have great ones like >> ClojureEx, clojureD, ClojuTre, Clojure Remote, etc. >> >> 5) Clojars - seems to have had a pretty successful time in seeking >> sponsors for their ongoing support, which is great! This is a community >> resource and I'm glad to see the community supporting it. >> >> 6) ClojureBridge - now has the ability to receive funds (go donate!) and >> manage things via the Bridge Foundry. >> >> Given all that, it's not clear to me what role a Clojure community >> organization would play. I think figuring out the goal is obviously the >> important part. >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:36:06 PM UTC-6, Daniel Compton wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alex >>> >>> Following up on this, is there anything else you can share? >>> >>> Thanks, Daniel. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroup
Re: Clojure community organisation
This initiative seems overdue by a couple years. I would like to offer some non-trivial portion of my time. Is there anywhere people could donate to ensure this becomes a valuable and positive community reality? On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 4:38 PM Alex Miller wrote: > I don't think we have any official position on it, but I can respond to > various items that have been mentioned above in the thread: > > 1) Google Summer of Code - we (Cognitect) are again acting as a receiver > of stipends and distributor of travel funds this year but would happily let > another org do that instead. Cognitect currently provides free tickets for > GSOC students to attend once conference in the year following their > participation, and we would be happy to continue doing so. > > 2) clojure.org / documentation - we are very far along in the process of > open sourcing the content on http://clojure.org. All of the content for > the new version of the site is available at > http://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and open for contributions via > pull request. There are a bunch of issues there with things to do if you > want to help. I am spending most of my time right now finalizing the > staging/deployment/ci infrastructure for that and it is inching ever closer > to being ready to go live as the real site. > > 3) CLAs, github, jira, confluence, hudson - Cognitect does not have plans > to give up control of these sites. Community members have rights to access > these sites already. I have spent a fair amount of time moving towards > hosted cloud versions of some of these in the last couple months - the work > involved is ... painful. Once clojure.org is live, I plan to put these > back on priority list. > > 4) Conferences - Cognitect has no plans to give up the organization of the > three Clojure conferences we run (Clojure/Conj, Clojure/West, and > EuroClojure). Other people or organizations are of course welcome and > encouraged to create their own events - we already have great ones like > ClojureEx, clojureD, ClojuTre, Clojure Remote, etc. > > 5) Clojars - seems to have had a pretty successful time in seeking > sponsors for their ongoing support, which is great! This is a community > resource and I'm glad to see the community supporting it. > > 6) ClojureBridge - now has the ability to receive funds (go donate!) and > manage things via the Bridge Foundry. > > Given all that, it's not clear to me what role a Clojure community > organization would play. I think figuring out the goal is obviously the > important part. > > > > On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:36:06 PM UTC-6, Daniel Compton wrote: > >> Hi Alex >> >> Following up on this, is there anything else you can share? >> >> Thanks, Daniel. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
I don't think we have any official position on it, but I can respond to various items that have been mentioned above in the thread: 1) Google Summer of Code - we (Cognitect) are again acting as a receiver of stipends and distributor of travel funds this year but would happily let another org do that instead. Cognitect currently provides free tickets for GSOC students to attend once conference in the year following their participation, and we would be happy to continue doing so. 2) clojure.org / documentation - we are very far along in the process of open sourcing the content on http://clojure.org. All of the content for the new version of the site is available at http://github.com/clojure/clojure-site and open for contributions via pull request. There are a bunch of issues there with things to do if you want to help. I am spending most of my time right now finalizing the staging/deployment/ci infrastructure for that and it is inching ever closer to being ready to go live as the real site. 3) CLAs, github, jira, confluence, hudson - Cognitect does not have plans to give up control of these sites. Community members have rights to access these sites already. I have spent a fair amount of time moving towards hosted cloud versions of some of these in the last couple months - the work involved is ... painful. Once clojure.org is live, I plan to put these back on priority list. 4) Conferences - Cognitect has no plans to give up the organization of the three Clojure conferences we run (Clojure/Conj, Clojure/West, and EuroClojure). Other people or organizations are of course welcome and encouraged to create their own events - we already have great ones like ClojureEx, clojureD, ClojuTre, Clojure Remote, etc. 5) Clojars - seems to have had a pretty successful time in seeking sponsors for their ongoing support, which is great! This is a community resource and I'm glad to see the community supporting it. 6) ClojureBridge - now has the ability to receive funds (go donate!) and manage things via the Bridge Foundry. Given all that, it's not clear to me what role a Clojure community organization would play. I think figuring out the goal is obviously the important part. On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:36:06 PM UTC-6, Daniel Compton wrote: > > Hi Alex > > Following up on this, is there anything else you can share? > > Thanks, Daniel. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
Hi Alex Following up on this, is there anything else you can share? Thanks, Daniel. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:01 AM Alex Miller wrote: > Thanks for the ping - I don't think I ever heard anything back but I will > ping again. > > Alex > > > On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-5, Daniel Compton wrote: >> >> Hi Alex >> >> Has Cognitect had any further discussion on this/do you have anything to >> share? >> >> Thanks, Daniel. >> >> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:04:17 PM UTC+12, Alex Miller wrote: >>> >>> Re gsoc, last year Cognitect was a receiving organization for the funds >>> and distributed them to students for travel to Clojure conferences. This >>> incurs some cost on Cognitect for the accounting effort but overall seemed >>> worth it. We also offer free tickets to all gsoc students for any Clojure >>> conf we run. We are happy to keep doing this but would be happier to be >>> more out of the loop on money issues if there was some org that could act >>> in this capacity. >>> >>> Re the Cognitect position on this stuff, I forwarded it to the >>> appropriate people - I don't yet have anything to share. >>> >>> Alex >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
Thanks for the ping - I don't think I ever heard anything back but I will ping again. Alex On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:26:57 PM UTC-5, Daniel Compton wrote: > > Hi Alex > > Has Cognitect had any further discussion on this/do you have anything to > share? > > Thanks, Daniel. > > On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:04:17 PM UTC+12, Alex Miller wrote: >> >> Re gsoc, last year Cognitect was a receiving organization for the funds >> and distributed them to students for travel to Clojure conferences. This >> incurs some cost on Cognitect for the accounting effort but overall seemed >> worth it. We also offer free tickets to all gsoc students for any Clojure >> conf we run. We are happy to keep doing this but would be happier to be >> more out of the loop on money issues if there was some org that could act >> in this capacity. >> >> Re the Cognitect position on this stuff, I forwarded it to the >> appropriate people - I don't yet have anything to share. >> >> Alex > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
Hi Alex Has Cognitect had any further discussion on this/do you have anything to share? Thanks, Daniel. On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 3:04:17 PM UTC+12, Alex Miller wrote: > > Re gsoc, last year Cognitect was a receiving organization for the funds > and distributed them to students for travel to Clojure conferences. This > incurs some cost on Cognitect for the accounting effort but overall seemed > worth it. We also offer free tickets to all gsoc students for any Clojure > conf we run. We are happy to keep doing this but would be happier to be > more out of the loop on money issues if there was some org that could act > in this capacity. > > Re the Cognitect position on this stuff, I forwarded it to the appropriate > people - I don't yet have anything to share. > > Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
This is a great initiative. Would love to see an "official" community organisation. Some things I think are particularly important on the content side: a) Maintain and improve the clojure.org website as the "front page" for the community b) Produce "official" user guides and documentation for Clojure (and key contrib libraries, as appropriate) c) Maintain a "curated" list of recommend tools / libraries / frameworks (ideally with some expert commentary on when they should be used). should include stuff like Ring etc. d) Maintain a directory of links to other useful content (videos, tutorials, tools like cross-clj etc.) All of these I feel are very important for continued Clojure adoption. There are a lot of good resources already, but they are quite fragmented and difficult for a beginner to navigate. From the point of view of engaging the community to held develop all this content, I strongly believe an "official" organisation would be much more likely to attract good content contributions. On the administrative and operational side, I think the organisation could take over some key tasks (I'm assuming the people who currently do this would be willing to either hand these over or become part of the organisation team): a) Maintaining CLAs b) Development process and tools (Github org, clojure-dev, JIRA etc.) c) Conference sponsorship d) Programmes like GSoC etc. Just some ideas, hope they are useful! On Wednesday, 29 April 2015 06:02:50 UTC+8, Daniel Solano Gómez wrote: > > Hello, all, > > I've brought up the idea of some sort of Clojure community organisation > a few times on this mailing list. The ideas is to help grow the Clojure > community by doing things like supporting GSoC students, run > infrastructure like Clojars, help run conferences, etc. I have decided > to start moving forward and apply for fiscal sponsorship from the > Software Freedom Conservancy and Software in the Public Interest. Those > things take time to work themselves out. In the meantime, I appreciate > any input/feedback about what this org should do or what it should look > like. As such, I have posted a page on the community wiki to start > braainstorming and discussing ideas > <http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation>. > > > A big thank you to everyone. Participating in this community has been a > very positive experience for me, and I would love to see it to continue > to flourish. I appreciate any help or advice on how to make this > initiative succeed in supporting the community. > > Sincerely, > > Daniel > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
Re gsoc, last year Cognitect was a receiving organization for the funds and distributed them to students for travel to Clojure conferences. This incurs some cost on Cognitect for the accounting effort but overall seemed worth it. We also offer free tickets to all gsoc students for any Clojure conf we run. We are happy to keep doing this but would be happier to be more out of the loop on money issues if there was some org that could act in this capacity. Re the Cognitect position on this stuff, I forwarded it to the appropriate people - I don't yet have anything to share. Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
Bridge [12]). > Don't get me wrong.. I'm all in favor of more and better > beginner materials! (Well, maybe is fewer/concise materials > are "more", but that's another story...) > > My guess is that training is tricky for a different reason: > training involves more money, more engineer time (vs. supporting > infrastructure) and already has competitive commercial offerings. > I'll try to find out how SFC handles this sort of thing. > > > E. A place to donate to > > Any place that accepts donations (esp. in the non-profit sense) > must make explicitly clear how the donations will be used. > Therefore the to the question "what is the mission" (i.e. > the topics above) is a prerequisite for accepting donations. > > > In terms of organization you offer the options > i) for-profit > ii) 501(c)3 Non-profit > iii) 501(c)6 Trade association > iv) member in a fiscal sponsorship org like SFC or SPI > > As you point out I don't think a new "for profit" organization > would be a good alignment with community goals. > > Creating a brand new 501(c)3 is really out of the question -- the > administrative burden is immense. > > A Trade Association *might* make sense, but it would only be > possible if Cognitect felt this would be a good idea. It's important > to remember that Trade Associations (e.g. the Linux Foundation) > are responsible to their members (not the community) and that > gives them a substantially different flavor. > > Joining a fiscal sponsorship organization like SFC or SPI is > the most sensible thing for a community project to do. > These organizations do, as you suggest, take on much of the burden > of administrating donations and expenses so that developers can > concentrate on hacking. > > I don't know (but I'll ask) how SFC handles a prospective project > with a code base that uses copyright aggregation as Clojure does. > > As @richhickey is the Clojure copyright holder I think any fiscal > sponsorship application would want to include a statement from Rich on > his feelings and desired relationship with the proposed community > organization. Even before that I wonder if Rich has any thoughts on > all this??? > > In any case I thank you for thinking of the community and > I'm confident we'll figure out how to address the needs you > raise (with or without a new fiscal sponsorship organization)! > > And if you've made it to end of this long rant I want to thank > @richhickey (and all the contributors) for Clojure: every time I have > to jump back to Common Lisp I thank Rich for making elegant, > opinionated decisions that make coding a joy! > > Regards, > > --Tom > > > [0] http://sfconservancy.org/members/apply/ > [1] http://spi-inc.org/ > [2] > http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation > [3] > https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page > [4] https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/ > [5] https://github.com/ato/clojars-web/wiki/About > [6] http://conj.io/contributing > [7] http://clojure-conj.org/grants > [8] https://thestrangeloop.com/attendees/diversity-scholarships > [9] http://www.clojurebridge.org/ > [10] http://bridgefoundry.org/ > [11] https://twitter.com/ClojureBridgeMN > [12] https://github.com/clojurebridge > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
f organization you offer the options i) for-profit ii) 501(c)3 Non-profit iii) 501(c)6 Trade association iv) member in a fiscal sponsorship org like SFC or SPI As you point out I don't think a new "for profit" organization would be a good alignment with community goals. Creating a brand new 501(c)3 is really out of the question -- the administrative burden is immense. A Trade Association *might* make sense, but it would only be possible if Cognitect felt this would be a good idea. It's important to remember that Trade Associations (e.g. the Linux Foundation) are responsible to their members (not the community) and that gives them a substantially different flavor. Joining a fiscal sponsorship organization like SFC or SPI is the most sensible thing for a community project to do. These organizations do, as you suggest, take on much of the burden of administrating donations and expenses so that developers can concentrate on hacking. I don't know (but I'll ask) how SFC handles a prospective project with a code base that uses copyright aggregation as Clojure does. As @richhickey is the Clojure copyright holder I think any fiscal sponsorship application would want to include a statement from Rich on his feelings and desired relationship with the proposed community organization. Even before that I wonder if Rich has any thoughts on all this??? In any case I thank you for thinking of the community and I'm confident we'll figure out how to address the needs you raise (with or without a new fiscal sponsorship organization)! And if you've made it to end of this long rant I want to thank @richhickey (and all the contributors) for Clojure: every time I have to jump back to Common Lisp I thank Rich for making elegant, opinionated decisions that make coding a joy! Regards, --Tom [0] http://sfconservancy.org/members/apply/ [1] http://spi-inc.org/ [2] http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation [3] https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2015/help_page [4] https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/ [5] https://github.com/ato/clojars-web/wiki/About [6] http://conj.io/contributing [7] http://clojure-conj.org/grants [8] https://thestrangeloop.com/attendees/diversity-scholarships [9] http://www.clojurebridge.org/ [10] http://bridgefoundry.org/ [11] https://twitter.com/ClojureBridgeMN [12] https://github.com/clojurebridge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure community organisation
I'd really like to see some sort of indexed infrastructure for documenting and standardising common patterns and anti-patterns on various levels – think Stack Exchange, but preemptive. I think this would go a long way toward helping newcomers and spreading good practices. On 30 April 2015 at 23:31, Daniel Solano Gómez wrote: > On Wed Apr 29 11:10 2015, Hildeberto Mendonça wrote: > > This is a awesome idea! > > > > In my opinion, this organization would attract the maximum number of > people > > if its mission is centred on Knowledge Management: > > > >1. Wiki-based Clojure documentation, such as clojuredocs.org, > containing > >the "official" documentation, but constantly improved by the > community with > >more examples and rephrasing complex sentences, etc; > >2. Wiki-based libraries documentation, related to Clojars and > following > >the same model of the previous documentation; > >3. Agregation of content produced by bloggers and websites out there, > >everything indexed by tags linked to Clojure versions and libraries in > >clojars for cross-navigation; > >4. Agregation of videos and slides produced by conference speakers, > >instructors. > >5. Everything gamefied so people can win points for their > contributions > >and increase their reputation like in stackoverflow.com. > > > > I would love to join as a member to have discounts in books, conferences, > > courses, tshirts, etc. > > > > I absolutely rate professional certifications, but I'm in favour of > > certified courses, so we can be sure the instructors are capable of > > teaching Clojure properly, with idiomatic code. > > > > What about promoting Clojure as a first language in universities? We > would > > need to help teachers to create equivalent syllabus to the ones they are > > already using to teach Python, for example. > > > > So, this is my brainstorming. > > Thank you for your input. You've brought up a few key things that are > important to help grow the Clojure community, especially better > documentation and learning materials. That's definitely something we > need to figure out how to promote. > > I appreciate any ideas on how to an org can help ake this happen. > > Sincerely, > > Daniel > > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Daniel Solano Gómez < > cloj...@sattvik.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, all, > > > > > > I've brought up the idea of some sort of Clojure community organisation > > > a few times on this mailing list. The ideas is to help grow the > Clojure > > > community by doing things like supporting GSoC students, run > > > infrastructure like Clojars, help run conferences, etc. I have decided > > > to start moving forward and apply for fiscal sponsorship from the > > > Software Freedom Conservancy and Software in the Public Interest. > Those > > > things take time to work themselves out. In the meantime, I appreciate > > > any input/feedback about what this org should do or what it should look > > > like. As such, I have posted a page on the community wiki to start > > > braainstorming and discussing ideas > > > < > http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation>. > > > > > > A big thank you to everyone. Participating in this community has been > a > > > very positive experience for me, and I would love to see it to continue > > > to flourish. I appreciate any help or advice on how to make this > > > initiative succeed in supporting the community. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > > your first post. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > > --- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Clojure" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit https://gro
Re: Clojure community organisation
On Wed Apr 29 11:10 2015, Hildeberto Mendonça wrote: > This is a awesome idea! > > In my opinion, this organization would attract the maximum number of people > if its mission is centred on Knowledge Management: > >1. Wiki-based Clojure documentation, such as clojuredocs.org, containing >the "official" documentation, but constantly improved by the community with >more examples and rephrasing complex sentences, etc; >2. Wiki-based libraries documentation, related to Clojars and following >the same model of the previous documentation; >3. Agregation of content produced by bloggers and websites out there, >everything indexed by tags linked to Clojure versions and libraries in >clojars for cross-navigation; >4. Agregation of videos and slides produced by conference speakers, >instructors. >5. Everything gamefied so people can win points for their contributions >and increase their reputation like in stackoverflow.com. > > I would love to join as a member to have discounts in books, conferences, > courses, tshirts, etc. > > I absolutely rate professional certifications, but I'm in favour of > certified courses, so we can be sure the instructors are capable of > teaching Clojure properly, with idiomatic code. > > What about promoting Clojure as a first language in universities? We would > need to help teachers to create equivalent syllabus to the ones they are > already using to teach Python, for example. > > So, this is my brainstorming. Thank you for your input. You've brought up a few key things that are important to help grow the Clojure community, especially better documentation and learning materials. That's definitely something we need to figure out how to promote. I appreciate any ideas on how to an org can help ake this happen. Sincerely, Daniel > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Daniel Solano Gómez > wrote: > > > Hello, all, > > > > I've brought up the idea of some sort of Clojure community organisation > > a few times on this mailing list. The ideas is to help grow the Clojure > > community by doing things like supporting GSoC students, run > > infrastructure like Clojars, help run conferences, etc. I have decided > > to start moving forward and apply for fiscal sponsorship from the > > Software Freedom Conservancy and Software in the Public Interest. Those > > things take time to work themselves out. In the meantime, I appreciate > > any input/feedback about what this org should do or what it should look > > like. As such, I have posted a page on the community wiki to start > > braainstorming and discussing ideas > > <http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation>. > > > > A big thank you to everyone. Participating in this community has been a > > very positive experience for me, and I would love to see it to continue > > to flourish. I appreciate any help or advice on how to make this > > initiative succeed in supporting the community. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Daniel > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > Hildeberto Mendonça, Ph.D > Blog: http://www.hildeberto.com > Community: http://www.cejug.net > Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this grou
Re: Clojure community organisation
This is a awesome idea! In my opinion, this organization would attract the maximum number of people if its mission is centred on Knowledge Management: 1. Wiki-based Clojure documentation, such as clojuredocs.org, containing the "official" documentation, but constantly improved by the community with more examples and rephrasing complex sentences, etc; 2. Wiki-based libraries documentation, related to Clojars and following the same model of the previous documentation; 3. Agregation of content produced by bloggers and websites out there, everything indexed by tags linked to Clojure versions and libraries in clojars for cross-navigation; 4. Agregation of videos and slides produced by conference speakers, instructors. 5. Everything gamefied so people can win points for their contributions and increase their reputation like in stackoverflow.com. I would love to join as a member to have discounts in books, conferences, courses, tshirts, etc. I absolutely rate professional certifications, but I'm in favour of certified courses, so we can be sure the instructors are capable of teaching Clojure properly, with idiomatic code. What about promoting Clojure as a first language in universities? We would need to help teachers to create equivalent syllabus to the ones they are already using to teach Python, for example. So, this is my brainstorming. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Daniel Solano Gómez wrote: > Hello, all, > > I've brought up the idea of some sort of Clojure community organisation > a few times on this mailing list. The ideas is to help grow the Clojure > community by doing things like supporting GSoC students, run > infrastructure like Clojars, help run conferences, etc. I have decided > to start moving forward and apply for fiscal sponsorship from the > Software Freedom Conservancy and Software in the Public Interest. Those > things take time to work themselves out. In the meantime, I appreciate > any input/feedback about what this org should do or what it should look > like. As such, I have posted a page on the community wiki to start > braainstorming and discussing ideas > <http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation>. > > A big thank you to everyone. Participating in this community has been a > very positive experience for me, and I would love to see it to continue > to flourish. I appreciate any help or advice on how to make this > initiative succeed in supporting the community. > > Sincerely, > > Daniel > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Hildeberto Mendonça, Ph.D Blog: http://www.hildeberto.com Community: http://www.cejug.net Twitter: https://twitter.com/htmfilho -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Clojure community organisation
Hello, all, I've brought up the idea of some sort of Clojure community organisation a few times on this mailing list. The ideas is to help grow the Clojure community by doing things like supporting GSoC students, run infrastructure like Clojars, help run conferences, etc. I have decided to start moving forward and apply for fiscal sponsorship from the Software Freedom Conservancy and Software in the Public Interest. Those things take time to work themselves out. In the meantime, I appreciate any input/feedback about what this org should do or what it should look like. As such, I have posted a page on the community wiki to start braainstorming and discussing ideas <http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Community+Organisation>. A big thank you to everyone. Participating in this community has been a very positive experience for me, and I would love to see it to continue to flourish. I appreciate any help or advice on how to make this initiative succeed in supporting the community. Sincerely, Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
