Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Timothy Washington]

Oops, sorry 'bout that. +1 on what you said.

Tim


On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:31 AM, pmbauer wrote:

> Bit of copyright violation, that.
> If you want the Closure e-book, get a licensed copy.  We should encourage
> legal means of obtaining information rather than post links to hosts that
> aren't authorized to distribute materials.
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[pmbauer]

Bit of copyright violation, that.
If you want the Closure e-book, get a licensed copy.  We should encourage legal 
means of obtaining information rather than post links to hosts that aren't 
authorized to distribute materials.

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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Timothy Washington]

Btw, I found a PDF version online, of "Closure: The Definitive
Guide
".

There's also the online
docs,
and a video 
overviewby
one of the main authors (Michael Bolin, I think). I found watching the
video really helped me get the gist of Google Closure.


Hope this helps with documentation.

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Raju Bitter wrote:

> Thanks for your response, Filip. That means for such a new technology
> the documentation is very good already. And the community can jump in
> and improve it until the first stable release. Good to know!
>
> Raju
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Raju Bitter  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing the code with us, Filip. I have one additional
> >> question: Which parts of ClojureScript were documented well enough for
> >> you, and where was it difficult to find enough information on how to
> >> implemented certain features?
> >
> > There is always some room for improvement, but in my experience the
> > documentation is sufficient. If I had to come up with a suggestion it
> would
> > be an overview of ClojureScript specific functions like (js->clj) and
> > (js-obj)) and implementation details. I'm happy to see the ClojureScript
> > ecosystem growing this fast and to see the increasing amount of
> information
> > and tips from people on this list, blogs, et cetera. With a new project
> like
> > ClojureScript there is always a certain amount of polish that still needs
> to
> > be applied, but I can't say that a lack of documentation has hindered my
> > productivity in any way.
> > -fmw
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Raju Bitter]

Thanks for your response, Filip. That means for such a new technology
the documentation is very good already. And the community can jump in
and improve it until the first stable release. Good to know!

Raju

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Raju Bitter 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the code with us, Filip. I have one additional
>> question: Which parts of ClojureScript were documented well enough for
>> you, and where was it difficult to find enough information on how to
>> implemented certain features?
>
> There is always some room for improvement, but in my experience the
> documentation is sufficient. If I had to come up with a suggestion it would
> be an overview of ClojureScript specific functions like (js->clj) and
> (js-obj)) and implementation details. I'm happy to see the ClojureScript
> ecosystem growing this fast and to see the increasing amount of information
> and tips from people on this list, blogs, et cetera. With a new project like
> ClojureScript there is always a certain amount of polish that still needs to
> be applied, but I can't say that a lack of documentation has hindered my
> productivity in any way.
> -fmw
>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Filip de Waard]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Raju Bitter wrote:

> Thanks for sharing the code with us, Filip. I have one additional
> question: Which parts of ClojureScript were documented well enough for
> you, and where was it difficult to find enough information on how to
> implemented certain features?
>

There is always some room for improvement, but in my experience the
documentation is sufficient. If I had to come up with a suggestion it would
be an overview of ClojureScript specific functions like (js->clj) and
(js-obj)) and implementation details. I'm happy to see the ClojureScript
ecosystem growing this fast and to see the increasing amount of information
and tips from people on this list, blogs, et cetera. With a new project like
ClojureScript there is always a certain amount of polish that still needs to
be applied, but I can't say that a lack of documentation has hindered my
productivity in any way.

-fmw

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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Raju Bitter]

Thanks for sharing the code with us, Filip. I have one additional
question: Which parts of ClojureScript were documented well enough for
you, and where was it difficult to find enough information on how to
implemented certain features?

Raju

On Aug 10, 11:22 pm, Scott Jaderholm  wrote:
> I haven't read the code yet but I have a few questions:
> Do you miss backbone.js? Are you going to use it with cljs?
> Have you shared any code between the frontend and backend? As in run the
> same functions on both sides. If so, are you duplicating the code in both
> .clj and .cljs or doing something else?
> How has the debugging/error notification experience been?
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
> > management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
> > announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
> > and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
> > and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
> > ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
> > functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
> > example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>
> > Be warned that:
> > - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
> > expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
> > work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
> > similar functionality,
> > - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
> > is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
> > writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
> > - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
> > new features will be added frequently,
> > - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>
> > I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
> > feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
> > images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
> > properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
> > grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
> > into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
> > lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
> > jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
> > want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
> > performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
> > functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
> > available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
> > code.
>
> > Here is the GitHub page for Vix:https://github.com/fmw/vix
>
> > This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
> > supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
> > useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
> > any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
> > can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
> > can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
> > fmw).
>
> > Sincerely,
>
> > F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>
> > P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
> > surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
> > been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
> > to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Timothy Washington]

I was able to get Jasmine tests running in the browser. You really just have
to follow the pattern in
Quickstart,
and good.require the needed namespaces. I imagine Google Closure's testing
lib
will
work in the same way. I'll let you know how far I get with automated testing
in a nodejs shell.


Tim Washington
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Filip de Waard  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Timothy Washington wrote:
>
>> Good on you. I've been looking to find a reliable way to have Javascript
>> unit testing run in a v8 (or any JS) shell. I've tried Jasmine and am now
>> trying Google Closure's unit testing framework, but have so far come up
>> short.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you come up with anything that works? For now, i'm just having the
>> tests run in the browser. But trying with Nodejs is the next step.
>>
>>
>> I don't have it at hand, right now, because I'm not at home, but I think
> the Google Closure book suggests using Selenium to automatically run the
> tests. Alternatively, using script/repljs might work. Do you have the tests
> running a browser window already? If so, I'd love to have a look at how you
> did that, because I haven't gotten that far yet myself. I'm going to give
> this another shot soon, because I've learned quite a lot about ClojureScript
> since I last tried to get testing to work.
>
> -fmw
>
>> Keep it up
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
>>> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
>>> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
>>> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
>>> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
>>> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
>>> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
>>> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>>>
>>> Be warned that:
>>> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
>>> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
>>> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
>>> similar functionality,
>>> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
>>> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
>>> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
>>> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
>>> new features will be added frequently,
>>> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>>>
>>> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
>>> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
>>> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
>>> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
>>> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
>>> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
>>> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
>>> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
>>> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
>>> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
>>> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
>>> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
>>> code.
>>>
>>> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>>>
>>> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
>>> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
>>> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
>>> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
>>> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
>>> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
>>> fmw).
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>>>
>>> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
>>> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
>>> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
>>> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>>>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Linus Ericsson]

You get Selenium running by using the clj-webdriver [1], thanks to Semperos
for that one!

[1] https://github.com/semperos/clj-webdriver

/Linus

2011/8/11 Filip de Waard 

> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Timothy Washington wrote:
>
>> Good on you. I've been looking to find a reliable way to have Javascript
>> unit testing run in a v8 (or any JS) shell. I've tried Jasmine and am now
>> trying Google Closure's unit testing framework, but have so far come up
>> short.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you come up with anything that works? For now, i'm just having the
>> tests run in the browser. But trying with Nodejs is the next step.
>>
>>
>> I don't have it at hand, right now, because I'm not at home, but I think
> the Google Closure book suggests using Selenium to automatically run the
> tests. Alternatively, using script/repljs might work. Do you have the tests
> running a browser window already? If so, I'd love to have a look at how you
> did that, because I haven't gotten that far yet myself. I'm going to give
> this another shot soon, because I've learned quite a lot about ClojureScript
> since I last tried to get testing to work.
>
> -fmw
>
>> Keep it up
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
>>> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
>>> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
>>> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
>>> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
>>> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
>>> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
>>> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>>>
>>> Be warned that:
>>> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
>>> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
>>> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
>>> similar functionality,
>>> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
>>> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
>>> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
>>> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
>>> new features will be added frequently,
>>> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>>>
>>> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
>>> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
>>> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
>>> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
>>> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
>>> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
>>> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
>>> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
>>> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
>>> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
>>> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
>>> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
>>> code.
>>>
>>> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>>>
>>> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
>>> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
>>> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
>>> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
>>> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
>>> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
>>> fmw).
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>>>
>>> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
>>> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
>>> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
>>> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>>>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Filip de Waard]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Timothy Washington wrote:

> Good on you. I've been looking to find a reliable way to have Javascript
> unit testing run in a v8 (or any JS) shell. I've tried Jasmine and am now
> trying Google Closure's unit testing framework, but have so far come up
> short.
>
>
>
> Have you come up with anything that works? For now, i'm just having the
> tests run in the browser. But trying with Nodejs is the next step.
>
>
> I don't have it at hand, right now, because I'm not at home, but I think
the Google Closure book suggests using Selenium to automatically run the
tests. Alternatively, using script/repljs might work. Do you have the tests
running a browser window already? If so, I'd love to have a look at how you
did that, because I haven't gotten that far yet myself. I'm going to give
this another shot soon, because I've learned quite a lot about ClojureScript
since I last tried to get testing to work.

-fmw

> Keep it up
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:
>
>> I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
>> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
>> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
>> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
>> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
>> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
>> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
>> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>>
>> Be warned that:
>> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
>> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
>> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
>> similar functionality,
>> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
>> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
>> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
>> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
>> new features will be added frequently,
>> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>>
>> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
>> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
>> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
>> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
>> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
>> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
>> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
>> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
>> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
>> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
>> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
>> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
>> code.
>>
>> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>>
>> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
>> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
>> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
>> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
>> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
>> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
>> fmw).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>>
>> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
>> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
>> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
>> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Filip de Waard]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Scott Jaderholm wrote:

> I haven't read the code yet but I have a few questions:
> Do you miss backbone.js? Are you going to use it with cljs?
>

I'm using 100% ClojureScript, with Google Closure as the only external
dependency. I don't miss Backbone.js, because it's design makes less sense
with ClojureScript than it does with JavaScript (i.e. it is based on the
JavaScript OOP paradigm). I used what I learned from Backbone.js  while
writing my ClojureScript code. I copied the idea of a routes function that
generates views based on the URI. I use this routing method to generate
views without reloading the page, using an event listener and the
goog.history.Html5History module. One of my favorite aspects of Backbone.js
is Underscore.js, which brings Lisp functions like filter, map and reduce to
JavaScript, but this is clearly redundant in ClojureScript. Backbone.js is
not something I would use with ClojureScript, but it is definitely designed
by smart people and it is a useful source of inspiration when building
client-side applications.


> Have you shared any code between the frontend and backend? As in run the
> same functions on both sides. If so, are you duplicating the code in both
> .clj and .cljs or doing something else


Vix has three quite separate components: the visitor-facing presentation
layer (flat HTML pages that are used as Enlive templates and CSS), the
Clojure backend (basically a document repository with a JSON API) and the
ClojureScript client-side code. The client-side code, including it's
templates, is fully written using the Google Closure tools and
ClojureScript, so there is almost no overlap. Off the top of my head I can
think of a single utility function that I copied between the ClojureScript
and Clojure parts. As far as I'm aware it is not possible to share code by
other means than copying yet, because there are some practical barriers for
interoperability.

How has the debugging/error notification experience been?


The stack traces aren't always very informative, so some things took a while
to figure out. This was usually my own fault, because I skimmed over
something important in the docs, for example, but it wouldn't hurt if it was
easier to figure out what was going wrong. I suggest using the generated
JavaScript as the starting point for debugging. My process is pretty much to
check if the  JavaScript output looks correct and use the debuggers in
Firefox and Gnome if that doesn't help. I've also used the occasional
(js/console.log) call and even edited the generated JavaScript on occasion
to figure out the root of a particularly nasty problem.

- fmw

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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Timothy Washington]

Good on you. I've been looking to find a reliable way to have Javascript
unit testing run in a v8 (or any JS) shell. I've tried Jasmine and am now
trying Google Closure's unit testing framework, but have so far come up
short.


Have you come up with anything that works? For now, i'm just having the
tests run in the browser. But trying with Nodejs is the next step.


Keep it up

Tim



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:

> I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>
> Be warned that:
> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
> similar functionality,
> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
> new features will be added frequently,
> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>
> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
> code.
>
> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>
> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
> fmw).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>
> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Scott Jaderholm]

I haven't read the code yet but I have a few questions:
Do you miss backbone.js? Are you going to use it with cljs?
Have you shared any code between the frontend and backend? As in run the
same functions on both sides. If so, are you duplicating the code in both
.clj and .cljs or doing something else?
How has the debugging/error notification experience been?

Scott


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Filip de Waard  wrote:

> I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>
> Be warned that:
> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
> similar functionality,
> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
> new features will be added frequently,
> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>
> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
> code.
>
> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>
> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
> fmw).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>
> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>
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Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[David Jagoe]

Thank you for making this available!

On 10 August 2011 02:53, Filip de Waard  wrote:
> I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
> management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
> announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
> and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
> and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
> ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
> functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
> example of ClojureScript in the wild.
>
> Be warned that:
> - this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
> expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
> work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
> similar functionality,
> - you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
> is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
> writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
> - I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
> new features will be added frequently,
> - the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.
>
> I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
> feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
> images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
> properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
> grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
> into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
> lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
> jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
> want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
> performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
> functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
> available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
> code.
>
> Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix
>
> This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
> supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
> useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
> any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
> can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
> can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
> fmw).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw
>
> P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
> surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
> been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
> to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!
>
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Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

[Filip de Waard]

I'm working on Vix, which is a document repository and content
management system written in Clojure with a CouchDB backend. After the
announcement on July 23 I immediately got excited about ClojureScript
and the Google Closure toolkit, so I dropped the existing Backbone.js
and jQuery code and rewrote all client-side functionality in
ClojureScript. Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that the
functionality is still very minimal I wanted to share this code as an
example of ClojureScript in the wild.

Be warned that:
- this is not perfect, clean example code written by a ClojureScript
expert (in several places I've used hacks and shortcuts to make things
work), but hopefully at least a starting point for others working on
similar functionality,
- you should read the installation instructions carefully (e.g. there
is still a hardcoded path in src/vix/db.clj at the time of this
writing, which I hope to correct in the near future),
- I'm actively developing this application, so things will change and
new features will be added frequently,
- the application isn't done yet, although it has a working prototype.

I'm concentrating on adding features that will allow users to manage
feeds (currently "blog" is the default feed), add media files like
images and to manage users. I had trouble getting unit testing to work
properly for the ClojureScript part of the application, so I
grudgingly wrote it using a non-TDD approach. Retrofitting unit tests
into the ClojureScript part is a priority. The user interface is also
lacking some bells and whistles that I had previously implemented in
jQuery, but still have to rewrite using Google Closure. Eventually, I
want to turn Vix into a commercial SaaS offering, with a focus on
performance (e.g. Amazon CloudFront support), scalability and webshop
functionality. The application itself, however, will be perpetually
available as open source software, because I'm committed to sharing my
code.

Here is the GitHub page for Vix: https://github.com/fmw/vix

This is not a "launch post" for Vix, because we're not ready for
supporting typical end-users yet, but I hope that the code will be
useful to other developers in the meantime. I'm also happy to receive
any feedback (positive as well as negative) and answer questions. You
can reply to this post, but if you prefer to contact me privately you
can also find my contact information on Github (https://github.com/
fmw).

Sincerely,

F.M. (Filip) de Waard / fmw

P.S. I'd like to thank the ClojureScript developers. There are
surprisingly few glitches considering that the project has only just
been released. The language is incredibly well designed and a pleasure
to use. Thanks for making client-side development more enjoyable!

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