Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
Hello Mark, Your post was fantastic and very well-written. Thank-you for posting it! A few thoughts: - Perhaps adding dynamic graphs from Incanter to the project with might make a good follow-up post ? - Is there a reason why you preferred EC2 tools over the elastic- mapreduce executable or clojure calls of the java ( see http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=2305categoryID=262) ? - What are your thoughts on clojure handling the initial EC2 set up and launching of the node instances as well? - Does it seem like creating a UI for editing and launching code for Apache Hive, Pig, or Cascalog seems within reach with this kind of set up ? Regards, ~Avram On Jul 24, 12:30 am, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica... The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
On Jul 28, 2:23 pm, Avram aav...@me.com wrote: Hello Mark, Your post was fantastic and very well-written. Thank-you for posting it! Hi Avram, thanks for the feedback. A few thoughts: - Perhaps adding dynamic graphs from Incanter to the project with might make a good follow-up post ? There are several follow up posts planned, but I probably won't cover this since it is addressed here: http://data-sorcery.org/2009/11/29/incanter-webapp/ - Is there a reason why you preferred EC2 tools over the elastic- mapreduce executable or clojure calls of the java ( seehttp://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=...) ? - What are your thoughts on clojure handling the initial EC2 set up and launching of the node instances as well? Programatic deployment via Clojure is definitely possible, but for this simple example the command line tools work well enough I think. - Does it seem like creating a UI for editing and launching code for Apache Hive, Pig, or Cascalog seems within reach with this kind of set up ? That's a rather harder problem (: I won't be working on it, but let us know if you end up doing something like that yourself. - Mark Regards, ~Avram On Jul 24, 12:30 am, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica... The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
Excellent job! It's great that you're willing to devote the time to help others learn more quickly easily! On Jul 27, 9:42 am, Savanni D'Gerinel sava...@alyra.org wrote: I thought this was pretty awesomely informative, including the deployment to Amazon Cloud. I already playing through and doing development with Compojure and Hiccup, and I found a lot of new things in here for me to investigate and potentially put to good use. -- Savanni On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 00:30 -0700, Mark McGranaghan wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica... The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
I thought this was pretty awesomely informative, including the deployment to Amazon Cloud. I already playing through and doing development with Compojure and Hiccup, and I found a lot of new things in here for me to investigate and potentially put to good use. -- Savanni On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 00:30 -0700, Mark McGranaghan wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applications.html The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
I really appreciate this article. Some of the compojure web development documentation is hard to find or out of date. I usually end up reading the source to have a better idea of what's going on. Clojure makes that pretty easy though. A couple quick questions: 1) Inside (view-input), there are a couple of tuples:value a and :value b. a and b don't seem to be declared. What do they refer to, or are they just not evaluated? 2) Inside the POST / route, how does Compojure match a and b with request parameters? Does it go based on the query string? It doesn't matter in this example since addition is commutative, but I'm just wondering how it works behind the scenes. Anyways, congrats on a great tutorial. Ghadi On Jul 24, 3:30 am, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica... The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
On 26 July 2010 06:42, ghadi gshay...@gmail.com wrote: I really appreciate this article. Some of the compojure web development documentation is hard to find or out of date. I usually end up reading the source to have a better idea of what's going on. Clojure makes that pretty easy though. A couple quick questions: 1) Inside (view-input), there are a couple of tuples :value a and :value b. a and b don't seem to be declared. What do they refer to, or are they just not evaluated? That's a typo/bug. Further down the page he says you should replace the view-input definition (in order to implement the error handling) and there he has the right arglist. i.e. it should be: (defn view-input [ [a b]] ...) Also, I suspect other people just checked out the code from the Git repository and didn't see this. I did not and noticed this problem last night when I read the article. 2) Inside the POST / route, how does Compojure match a and b with request parameters? Does it go based on the query string? It doesn't matter in this example since addition is commutative, but I'm just wondering how it works behind the scenes. Ah, good point. I didn't think of that. I imagine it converts the symbol name into a string and looks for a field name that matches, but it's just a guess. Anyways, congrats on a great tutorial. Yes, I agree. -- Michael Wood esiot...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applications.html The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. Mark, thanks for writing this. I can speak to goal one, that the full writeup is indeed very useful. I'm stumbling my way through local development of a Compojure/Ring web service, picking off tips from the source, API docs, and Brian Carper's informative blog source [1] as I go. Seeing the contents of this tutorial in one place, I learned a lot about rounding out an entire app, as you say, and making it deployable. Even though I don't need HTML for my service and I'll be deploying to a Windows server (relax, let me worry about that feature/bug!), the way you broke it down makes it trivial to tweak for any environment. The command line jetty startup approach is a nice complement to Chas Emerick's maven-style deployment tips [2] for those who don't want or have to plug in to existing Java server infrastructure (another top to bottom tutorial based on WAR files would probably be appreciated by folks who are in that camp). I especially appreciate the middleware demonstrations, as the ability to whip up a little function to augment or change the behavior of the entire app is a strength of Ring-based development. I half-assumed wrap-bounce-favicon was built in, but then you busted out in a few lines right there and it didn't really matter if it existed or not. [1] http://github.com/briancarper/cow-blog/ [2] http://muckandbrass.com/web/x/RQBP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
When developing a web app, my preference would be to edit files using SLIME with lein swank like all of my other development. So, I should be able to start and stop the server from the repl and can reflect my changes in the browser simply by reloading a function. I used to be able to develop like this easily with compojure 0.3.2, but since 0.4 it doesn't seem to provide this functionality anymore. Is there a modern and easy way to fit this style of development with jetty? On Jul 24, 3:30 am, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica... The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
On 26 Jul 2010, at 17:30, tguy wrote:
When developing a web app, my preference would be to edit files using
SLIME with lein swank like all of my other development. So, I should
be able to start and stop the server from the repl and can reflect my
changes in the browser simply by reloading a function.
I used to be able to develop like this easily with compojure 0.3.2,
but since 0.4 it doesn't seem to provide this functionality anymore.
Is there a modern and easy way to fit this style of development with
jetty?
This *is* possible with Compojure 0.4, but you have to wrap your routes or app
in a var:
(def my-ring-app
(- (routes
(GET / [] (my-index)))
(ring.middleware.file/wrap-file public)
(ring.middleware.file-info/wrap-file-info)
(ring.middleware.lint/wrap-lint)
(ring.middleware.stacktrace/wrap-stacktrace)))
(defn start-app []
(ring.adapter.jetty/run-jetty (var my-ring-app) {:port 8080 :join? false}))
Regarding start/stop functionality, see this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/compojure/browse_thread/thread/5606760b86cfd49c
-Steve
On Jul 24, 3:30 am, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and
deploying a simple Clojure web application:
http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applica...
The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some
documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app
and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you
find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you
may have.
The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how
they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying
Clojure web applications.
I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie
together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception
handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to
production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like
this is complete working examples of applications and associated
instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such
open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I
would love to see it.
Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear
your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of
the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps
omitted) in the post.
- Mark
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Feedback on Clojure web development post
Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applications.html The purpose of this post is twofold. The first is to provide some documentation in the form of a complete, deployable Clojure web app and associated commentary and instructions. To that end I hope you find the post useful and that you feel free to ask any questions you may have. The second purpose is to elicit feedback from the community on how they would or have approached the problem of developing and deploying Clojure web applications. I'm particularly interested in the specifics of how people tie together and round out entire apps with e.g. logging and exception handling, how they develop apps locally, and how they deploy them to production. I think the most useful basis for discussing things like this is complete working examples of applications and associated instructions for how to deploy them. I doubt there are very many such open-source apps floating around, but if anyone has one to share I would love to see it. Even if you don't have a complete app to share, I would love to hear your comments and see your code snippets on the specific aspects of the development and deployment process that I covered (or perhaps omitted) in the post. - Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.comwrote: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applications.html This is great! :) The tools and libraries have come a long way, now we just need more killer documentation like this. Thanks for taking the time to do this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Feedback on Clojure web development post
Thank you, Mark. It's awesome when someone has the patience, time and interest in putting something like this together so others may learn faster. I know I'll benefit from it. - Ryan (irc nick arkh) On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Mark McGranaghan mmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I recently posted to my blog on the process of developing and deploying a simple Clojure web application: http://mmcgrana.github.com/2010/07/develop-deploy-clojure-web-applications.html (more in previous post) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
