Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:30:25 -0700 (PDT) pmbauer wrote: > These "unhappy" threads need to die a horrible death. Well, criticism can also be constructive. It does at least show some of the problems and/or desires that the community has. Fortunately, noone is forced to read them :) regards, Marek -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
And I should have posted about the spec separately, right? ;; or all I have to do is to forbid myself to post anything... -- Name: OGINO Masanori (荻野 雅紀) E-mail: masanori.og...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
No need to wait in desperation for this, just add a filter rule in your email client to send these to trash directly. I have a couple of these and it saves me a significant # of frustrating hours :) Luc P. On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:30:25 -0700 (PDT) pmbauer wrote: > These "unhappy" threads need to die a horrible death. > -- Luc P. The rabid Muppet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
These "unhappy" threads need to die a horrible death. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
Oops, I wrote a footnote not to forget giving a supplement but I forgot it. The number two was the number of Rich's Clojure implementations AFAIK. -- Name: OGINO Masanori (荻野 雅紀) E-mail: masanori.og...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)
I have no opinion to add to mainline of this thread, but I could answer one question. Before the NYC meetup, there are two [1] "Clojure": Clojure on JVM and Clojure on CLI/CLR. Is Clojure on JVM "the true Clojure" and that on CLI/CLR is an poor imitation? (in Ruby: Is MRI the true Ruby and JRuby, Rubinius, MacRuby, ...(snip)) Now we have three "Clojure". I think we can categorize programming languages into three groups by the number of implementations. 1. Zero; the language is in the design stage. 2. One; here you are, this is *the* implementation! 3. Many; well, which implementation I should use? where is the spec? Clojure *was* 3. before the meetup and *is* 3. now, right? If so, the problem was there and is still there. It doesn't change. So...may I ask where is the spec? :-P 2011/7/25, cassiel : > Clojure newcomer here, but here's the thought that's frontmost in my > mind about ClojureScript... > > I'm used to Clojure as a language that's solidly spot-welded to the > JVM and the Java libraries. Just as "[1 2 3]" is legal portable > Clojure code, so is "(.start (Thread. #(...)))" despite it being a > blatant set of calls into Java, and so are the various Java-leaning > reflection features. > > I think ClojureScript is a great piece of work, but I'm not sure what > this means for language standardisation or portability. Is it still > "real" Clojure? Clearly I can write programs, or distribute libraries, > which run on one but not the other. Similarly, I'm sure there are > common chunks of functionality (although I'm not enough of a JS > programmer to suggest any) which are pretty crucial to some programs > written in either Clojure but implemented differently. ClojureScript > is still missing key parts of Clojure (e.g. agents) making even non- > Java-ish programs non(-yet)-portable. > > I guess I'm interested in the road map, if any: are things heading > towards some kind of common "ClojureCore" specification with > ClojureJava and ClojureScript both supersets of this? What are the > ramifications for library distribution? Or are "Clojure Classic" and > ClojureScript different systems for different environments? In which > case, what mileage is there in identifying and specifying the > overlapping and identical areas and transparently developing for both? > > Sorry if the questions are stupid... I'm looking forward to having a > good solid session with ClojureScript in a browser near me soon. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Name: OGINO Masanori (荻野 雅紀) E-mail: masanori.og...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
