Spins issue

2011-03-01 Thread Paul W. Frields
As I was going through some email this morning I saw that the Spins
SIG is concerned that the Cloud SIG hasn't followed the Spins process
to get their ec2 labeled Spin included in the spins-kickstart
collection in git:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2011-March/001734.html

If the Cloud group needs to see this Spin included in the F15 release,
then my recommendation is to start talking with the Spins SIG about
the process.  I believe there's a deadline that's passed, although you
can request an exception and still make it into the release.

To the Spins SIG, I would also recommend keeping lines of
communication open if something goes wrong.  A Cc: to the cloud@ list,
for example, would help raise the issue to more people in a way that
would help reach a solution faster.

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Spins SIG meetings starting up again

2011-03-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
We are going to try to get Spins SIG meetings going again on Mondays at 
20:00 UTC (this may change once DST is in play) in #fedora-meeting-1. If you 
guys are still interested in either having an ISO published or having a ks 
file included in the spin-kickstarts package, it would be good to have someone 
from Cloud SIG attend. While technically this is past the deadline, I think
it is likely that exceptions will be made for spins that have been actively
being developed while Spins SIG was in remission. Having someone join the
spins list (if no one currently is) to keep an eye on updated information
would also be a good idea.
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Re: Spins issue

2011-03-01 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote:
 As I was going through some email this morning I saw that the Spins
 SIG is concerned that the Cloud SIG hasn't followed the Spins process
 to get their ec2 labeled Spin included in the spins-kickstart
 collection in git:

I've talked to Dennis about this already, and this was simply a
miscommunication on his part.

As we're moving towards having Koji generate the release images for
EC2, he needed a place to store the EC2 kickstart file so that it was
public and being tracked in revision control, and so that Koji could
pull the kickstart file when it generated the images.  As I understand
it (and I'm sure Dennis will correct me if I'm wrong), Koji can either
pull from packages.fedoraproject.org or from the spins git repo.  So,
to make a long story short, Dennis put the EC2 kickstart file in the
spins git repo out of convenience.  He wasn't trying to say that EC2
was a spin.

I've got to admit that I never saw the EC2 images as being a spin per
se, but that's certainly a discussion we can have going forward.  As I
re-read through the Spins guidelines, it's still not clear to me how
this would even qualify as a spin -- it's really a different animal
than our traditional spins.  At the same time, I think it needs a lot
of the same process for review, oversight, and QA that we currently
have in place for spins, so there might be some ability to roll the
cloud images into the spins concept.  I'm certainly open to comments
and suggestions either way.

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Re: Spins issue

2011-03-01 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 11:20:52AM -0500, Jared K. Smith wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote:
  As I was going through some email this morning I saw that the Spins
  SIG is concerned that the Cloud SIG hasn't followed the Spins process
  to get their ec2 labeled Spin included in the spins-kickstart
  collection in git:
 
 I've talked to Dennis about this already, and this was simply a
 miscommunication on his part.
 
 As we're moving towards having Koji generate the release images for
 EC2, he needed a place to store the EC2 kickstart file so that it was
 public and being tracked in revision control, and so that Koji could
 pull the kickstart file when it generated the images.  As I understand
 it (and I'm sure Dennis will correct me if I'm wrong), Koji can either
 pull from packages.fedoraproject.org or from the spins git repo.  So,
 to make a long story short, Dennis put the EC2 kickstart file in the
 spins git repo out of convenience.  He wasn't trying to say that EC2
 was a spin.
 
 I've got to admit that I never saw the EC2 images as being a spin per
 se, but that's certainly a discussion we can have going forward.  As I
 re-read through the Spins guidelines, it's still not clear to me how
 this would even qualify as a spin -- it's really a different animal
 than our traditional spins.  At the same time, I think it needs a lot
 of the same process for review, oversight, and QA that we currently
 have in place for spins, so there might be some ability to roll the
 cloud images into the spins concept.  I'm certainly open to comments
 and suggestions either way.

OK, thanks for this explanation.  At the time it wasn't clear why the
kickstart file was coming to the spins-kickstart repo.  If there was a
need for it to be there, then I wanted to see the teams involved get
into a conversation about it.

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