Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2012-11-14 Thread Petr Kmoch
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8996

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:40 PM, David Cole david.c...@kitware.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Replies requested. Short replies only. Read on. Just a short reply
 with bug numbers or links to the bugs is all we need here.

 Example one-line reply:

   http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=13571

 Please move specific discussions into the bugs themselves or start a
 new thread to talk about it... Replies on this thread should just be a
 collector for bug numbers.

 We are aiming for approximately quarterly releases from now on,
 scheduling them every 3 to 4 months. The next release of CMake will
 likely be version 2.8.11, scheduled to have an rc1 release candidate
 on Wed. January 9, 2013 -- just 9 weeks from today.

 If you have a particular issue that you think should be fixed for
 inclusion in 2.8.11, please bring it up within the next two weeks.
 Ideally, each issue will be discussed as needed on the mailing list to
 come to any consensus about what should be done to fix it, and then an
 entry in the bug tracker may be used to keep it on the radar screen,
 and to track activity related to it. You can see what's already on the
 roadmap for this release here:

   http://public.kitware.com/Bug/roadmap_page.php?version_id=103

 Patches are always welcome. Patches that include testing of any new
 features, or tests that prove a bug is really fixed on the dashboards,
 (basically any patch with testing) is preferred over a patch with no
 testing. Also, if you are *adding* code, then you also probably need
 to add *tests* of that code, so that the coverage percentage stays as
 is or rises.

 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues
 in the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur in the near future.


 Thanks,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.


 P.S. - as a nice summary of what we accomplished in the CMake 2.8.10
 release, see here:
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/changelog_page.php?version_id=100 -- it
 currently lists 58 issues that we resolved: nice job, everybody!

 (Many of those were specifically addressed because somebody asked for
 it right here on the mailing list... Don't be shy!)
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2011-04-17 Thread Rolf Eike Beer
Am Dienstag 29 März 2011, 19:56:03 schrieb David Cole:
 Hi all,
 
 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.4, *now* would be a great time to
 prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.
 
 Replies requested. Read on. *Just a short reply with bug numbers* or links
 to the bugs is all we need here. Please move specific discussions into the
 bugs themselves or start a new thread to talk about it... Replies on this
 thread should just be a collector for bug numbers.

The simple answer is as always: fix all bugs I submitted ;)

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11333
  FindThreads incorrectly adds -pthread to linker options

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=7830
  Likely a dupe of the above

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=12054
  FindJava.cmake too noisy on second run

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=10740
  This has been fixed in 2.8.4, but the doc update was not committed

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=10476
  No program output if CTest aborts test with timeout

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11792
  Improve handling of CTEST_SITE

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11792
  Code comments for many commands are wrong (copypaste)

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=8466
  Provide finer control than pass/fail for a test program


Here are also some bugs that are resolved and can be closed as they are fixed 
in 2.8.4:

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11362
http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11329
http://www.cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11791

Eike
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2011-03-30 Thread David Partyka
When using external_project, if GIT_TAG is modified the entire source tree
is removed and re-cloned causing a full rebuild of said project.

http://cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11403

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:56 PM, David Cole david.c...@kitware.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.4, *now* would be a great time to
 prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.

 Replies requested. Read on. *Just a short reply with bug numbers* or links
 to the bugs is all we need here. Please move specific discussions into
 the bugs themselves or start a new thread to talk about it... Replies on
 this thread should just be a collector for bug numbers.

 We are aiming for quarterly releases from now on, scheduling them every 3
 or 4 months. That would make the next release of CMake version 2.8.5, 
 scheduled
 to have an rc1 release candidate on Wed. April 27, 2011.

 If you have a particular issue that you think should be fixed for inclusion
 in 2.8.5, please bring it up by the end of this week. Ideally, each issue
 will be discussed as needed on the mailing list to come to any consensus
 about what should be done to fix it, and then an entry in the bug tracker
 may be used to keep it on the radar screen, and to track activity related to
 it.

 Patches are always welcome. Patches that include testing of any new
 features, or tests that prove a bug is really fixed on the dashboards,
 basically any patch with testing is preferred over a patch with no testing.
 Also, if you are *adding* code, then you also probably need to add *tests*
 of that code, so that the coverage percentage stays as is or rises.

 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.5 -- we
 will be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur over the next 4 weeks.


 Thanks,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.


 P.S. - as a nice summary of what we accomplished in the CMake 2.8.4
 release, see here: http://public.kitware.com/Bug/changelog_page.php
 -- it currently lists 127 issues that we resolved: nice job, everybody!

 (Many of those were specifically addressed because somebody brought it up
 in response to my similar email from just after 2.8.3... Don't be shy!)


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2011-03-29 Thread Eric Noulard
2011/3/29 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:

 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.5 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur over the next 4 weeks.

http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8438
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10067
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11656
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11944

I'll try to work on the last 3 but any help for those will be appreciated.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2011-03-29 Thread Tyler
Eric, those all look good, but I'd like to particularly +1 this one:

http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8438

I've hacked around this deficiency in several places and I'm sure
other users have as well. It would be nice to replace these hacks with
a nice simple solution.

Thanks,
tyler

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Eric Noulard eric.noul...@gmail.com wrote:
 2011/3/29 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:

 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.5 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur over the next 4 weeks.

 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8438
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10067
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11656
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11944

 I'll try to work on the last 3 but any help for those will be appreciated.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2011-03-29 Thread Mike Wittman
I'll third that.  I'd like to see 8438 addressed as well.

-Mike

On 03/29/2011 02:56 PM, Tyler wrote:
 Eric, those all look good, but I'd like to particularly +1 this one:

 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8438

 I've hacked around this deficiency in several places and I'm sure
 other users have as well. It would be nice to replace these hacks with
 a nice simple solution.

 Thanks,
 tyler

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Eric Noulard eric.noul...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 2011/3/29 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:
 
 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.5 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur over the next 4 weeks.
   
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8438
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10067
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11656
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11944

 I'll try to work on the last 3 but any help for those will be appreciated.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-11-05 Thread Marcel Loose
Hi David,

I've got one more, one that I just entered in Mantis.

#11410 - Result of IF(LIST) is inconsistent 

Regards,
Marcel Loose.


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-11-04 Thread Dave Partyka
I am not sure if this is a reported bug (I can report it now if it isn't
reported already).

Using ExternalProject with a git repo and specifying a sha1 revision via
GIT_TAG will blow away the entire source directory whenever the revision is
changed. This leads to complete rebuilds of said project.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, David Cole david.c...@kitware.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.3, *now* would be a great time to
 prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.

 Replies requested. Read on. *Just a short reply with bug numbers* or links
 to the bugs is all we need here. Please move specific discussions into the
 bugs themselves or start a new thread to talk about it... Replies on this
 thread should just be a collector for bug numbers.

 We are aiming for quarterly releases from now on, scheduling them every 3
 or 4 months. That would make the next release of CMake version 2.8.4 and
 scheduled to have an rc1 release candidate in approximately mid-January,
 2011, target date: Wed. 1/12/2011.

 If you have a particular issue that you think should be fixed for inclusion
 in 2.8.4, please bring it up now. Ideally, each issue will be discussed as
 needed on the mailing list to come to any consensus about what should be
 done to fix it, and then an entry in the bug tracker may be used to keep it
 on the radar screen, and to track activity related to it.

 Patches are always welcome. Patches that include testing of any new
 features, or tests that prove a bug is really fixed on the dashboards,
 basically any patch with testing is preferred over a patch with no testing.
 Also, if you are *adding* code, then you also probably need to add *tests*
 of that code, so that the coverage percentage stays as is or rises.

 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.4 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur in the next several weeks.


 Thanks,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.


 P.S. - as a nice summary of what we've accomplished in the CMake 2.8.3
 release, see here: http://public.kitware.com/Bug/changelog_page.php
 -- it lists 89 issues that we resolved: nice job, everybody!

 (About 45 of those were specifically addressed because somebody brought it
 up in response to my similar email from just after 2.8.2... Don't be shy!)

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-11-04 Thread James Bigler
VS 2010 CMake plugin is broken
http://www.vtk.org/Bug/view.php?id=11258

This is a problem for projects such as mine where I have dozens of projects
in my solution and they can change rather frequently, especially with my
FindCUDA.cmake script that computes dependencies and then changes the VS
projects.

Thanks,
James
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-11-04 Thread Michael Jackson
I'll vote for that bug. I _was_ going to load VS2010 but maybe I'll  
hold off.

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On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:28 PM, James Bigler wrote:


VS 2010 CMake plugin is broken
http://www.vtk.org/Bug/view.php?id=11258

This is a problem for projects such as mine where I have dozens of  
projects in my solution and they can change rather frequently,  
especially with my FindCUDA.cmake script that computes dependencies  
and then changes the VS projects.


Thanks,
James
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-11-04 Thread Eric Noulard
2010/11/4 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:
 Hi all,

 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.3, *now* would be a great time to
 prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.

 Replies requested. Read on. Just a short reply with bug numbers or links to
 the bugs is all we need here. Please move specific discussions into the bugs
 themselves or start a new thread to talk about it... Replies on this thread
 should just be a collector for bug numbers.

http://cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=11404
http://cmake.org/Bug/view.php?id=7645 + same idea for Debian Package
see ML
http://www.cmake.org/pipermail/cmake/2010-October/040321.html
and http://purplekarrot.net/blog/dputCMake.html
+
Add More CTest  test for CPack generators inside the CMake tree.


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-08-31 Thread David Cole
Great idea!

There is now a roadmap page in Mantis for the CMake project.
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/roadmap_page.php

It has 33 issues listed as targeted for 2.8.3. 17 of these (51%) are
resolved: fixed in 'next' already, or won't fix... ever.

The remaining 16 shall be fixed (or marked as postponed to the next release)
over the next couple of weeks, and then we'll be ready for the first RC of
CMake 2.8.3.

Thanks to all of you who participated in this thread. It helped us organize
around what people think is most important.


Cheers,
David Cole
Kitware, Inc.


P.S. -- there were 40-something issues mentioned specifically in this
thread. The 33 listed on the roadmap plus the following 13, which we decided
should be looked at for a future release, if ever, but certainly not in the
time remaining before 2.8.3

http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=5796
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=7867
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=7919
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8466
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8486
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10199
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10200
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10335
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10389
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10476
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10752
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10895
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10939

There should be a note attached to each of these that says something like
not working on this for 2.8.3...

Thanks,
D.



On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Brian Davis bitmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can a roadmap be posted for CMake?  Such as is for other projects at:

 http://www.cmake.org/Bug/roadmap_page.php


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-08-31 Thread Philip Lowman
David,

Thanks for enabling this.  If anyone is wondering where to find the Target
Release and Fixed In Version fields, they are under the Advanced Details
link for each bug.

When you mark a bug as fixed, it prompts you for Fixed In Version but the
only way to set Target Release I can see is under Advanced (just an FYI
for people).

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:35 PM, David Cole david.c...@kitware.com wrote:

 Great idea!

 There is now a roadmap page in Mantis for the CMake project.
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/roadmap_page.php

 It has 33 issues listed as targeted for 2.8.3. 17 of these (51%) are
 resolved: fixed in 'next' already, or won't fix... ever.

 The remaining 16 shall be fixed (or marked as postponed to the next
 release) over the next couple of weeks, and then we'll be ready for the
 first RC of CMake 2.8.3.

 Thanks to all of you who participated in this thread. It helped us organize
 around what people think is most important.


 Cheers,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.


 P.S. -- there were 40-something issues mentioned specifically in this
 thread. The 33 listed on the roadmap plus the following 13, which we decided
 should be looked at for a future release, if ever, but certainly not in the
 time remaining before 2.8.3

 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=5796
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=7867
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=7919
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8466
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=8486
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10199
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10200
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10335
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10389
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10476
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10752
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10895
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10939

 There should be a note attached to each of these that says something like
 not working on this for 2.8.3...

 Thanks,
 D.



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 Can a roadmap be posted for CMake?  Such as is for other projects at:

 http://www.cmake.org/Bug/roadmap_page.php



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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-30 Thread Brian Davis
Can a roadmap be posted for CMake?  Such as is for other projects at:

http://www.cmake.org/Bug/roadmap_page.php
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Eric Noulard
2010/7/5 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:
 Hi all,
 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.2 last Monday, and we have switched to
 this new workflow using branches in the git repository, *now* would be a
 great time to prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.
 We are leaning towards quarterly releases from now on, scheduling them every
 3 months. That would make the next release of CMake version 2.8.3 and
 scheduled to have an rc1 release candidate in approximately mid-September,
 2010.
 If you have a particular issue that you think should be fixed for inclusion
 in 2.8.3, please bring it up now. Ideally, each issue will be discussed as
 needed on the mailing list to come to any consensus about what should be
 done to fix it, and then an entry in the bug tracker may be used to keep it
 on the radar screen, and to track activity related to it.
 Patches are always welcome. Patches that include testing of any new
 features, or tests that prove a bug is really fixed on the dashboards,
 basically any patch with testing is preferred over a patch with no testing.
 Also, if you are *adding* code, then you also probably need to add *tests*
 of that code, so that the coverage percentage stays as is or rises.
 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.3 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur in the next several weeks.

 Thanks,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.

So here goes my own list.

I'd like to fix 2 annoying relatively long-standing bugs:

1) Make CPack generic generator delegate the name of the file to
specific generator
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=9900

(may be fixed together with
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10736)

2)  CPack RPM generator should always CPACK_SET_DESTDIR
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=7000

1) Should come first because it will help fix others depending bugs
related to this
one and makes it possible to use standard package name for at least
RPM and DEB.
May be it can be fixed together with
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10736.
The idea would be for the CPack generic generator to offer a new
compresFiles API
in which the name of the package is both an input AND an output. Moreover
the output should be a vector of filenames and not a single filename.

2) In the same way this one is blocking some pending features for CPackRPM
(or CPackDEB) and the issue is raising from time to time on the list.

May be interested people could add themselves to the monitor list of
those bugs.


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Eric Noulard eric.noul...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/7/5 David Cole david.c...@kitware.com:
 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.2 last Monday, and we have switched to
 this new workflow using branches in the git repository, *now* would be a
 great time to prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.

I'd like to see those fixed:
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11030
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11031

It'd make building libs on Windows way easier. Last week I had to
build bzip2, ogg, vorbis, zlib, jpeg and png. Some ship (old) VS
project files, but none suit my needs by default.
Being able to use CMake to build the necessary configs, ensuring they
have proper names and ideally copying them all to a single dir would
be awesome.

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Verweij, Arjen
I'd like to see those fixed:
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11030

That one is closed.
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread J Decker
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10388   Patch was already included

I would also vote for project_group to get applied.

I'd also like to see support for additional compile flags based on
target   http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=10389

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, David Cole david.c...@kitware.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 Now that we have released CMake 2.8.2 last Monday, and we have switched to
 this new workflow using branches in the git repository, *now* would be a
 great time to prioritize bug fixes for the next release of CMake.
 We are leaning towards quarterly releases from now on, scheduling them every
 3 months. That would make the next release of CMake version 2.8.3 and
 scheduled to have an rc1 release candidate in approximately mid-September,
 2010.
 If you have a particular issue that you think should be fixed for inclusion
 in 2.8.3, please bring it up now. Ideally, each issue will be discussed as
 needed on the mailing list to come to any consensus about what should be
 done to fix it, and then an entry in the bug tracker may be used to keep it
 on the radar screen, and to track activity related to it.
 Patches are always welcome. Patches that include testing of any new
 features, or tests that prove a bug is really fixed on the dashboards,
 basically any patch with testing is preferred over a patch with no testing.
 Also, if you are *adding* code, then you also probably need to add *tests*
 of that code, so that the coverage percentage stays as is or rises.
 Please discuss issues here as needed, and add notes to existing issues in
 the bug tracker that you are interested in seeing fixed for 2.8.3 -- we will
 be looking at the mailing list and activity in the bug tracker to help
 prioritize the bug fixes that will occur in the next several weeks.

 Thanks,
 David Cole
 Kitware, Inc.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Verweij, Arjen verwe...@tass-safe.com wrote:
I'd like to see those fixed:
http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11030

 That one is closed.

Yes, unfortunately. I don't agree with that decision.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Wild

On 29. Jul, 2010, at 19:26 , Olaf van der Spek wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Verweij, Arjen verwe...@tass-safe.com 
 wrote:
 I'd like to see those fixed:
 http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=11030
 
 That one is closed.
 
 Yes, unfortunately. I don't agree with that decision.
 
 Olaf

The problem is that there IS NO CONVENTION on name decoration. And yes, 
especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things. The 
application programmer doesn't want/have to care about them ;-)

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is that there IS NO CONVENTION on name decoration.

Why is that a problem?

 And yes, especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things.

Why?

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread J Decker
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is that there IS NO CONVENTION on name decoration.

 Why is that a problem?

well that any convention that YOU want, since there is no standard
outside of what YOU desire, means you need to apply naming conventions
to meat YOUR criteria.


 And yes, especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things.

 Why?


Becuase it's something YOU desire, that the rest of the world rarely
uses.  I've seen less than half a dozen projects that attempt to do
that, and then have to fight with converting their projects to use
just standard names of libraries I already have (strip off _debug and
d's appended to library names for no good reason).  The product of a
single build type is put in a single place all together, so why would
there ever be a mixture.  How many libraries under linux actually
install realease and debug together?  and under windows there is no
particular standard for where to install things, so it's entirely open
for you to manipulate how you want.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Wild

On 29. Jul, 2010, at 23:22 , Olaf van der Spek wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is that there IS NO CONVENTION on name decoration.
 
 Why is that a problem?

If CMake made the choice, somebody (i.e. exactly ONE person) would be a happy 
camper, all the others would have froth in front of their mouths... It is 
trivial to add the decoration yourself, if you must wrap add_executable and 
add_library in a custom function which sets the properties appropriately.

 
 And yes, especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things.
 
 Why?

A library developer has to think of everything. Otherwise the library is 
useless. Good libraries are carefully crafted pieces of art, where the 
developer tried to mold the interface and the functionality in a way that 
allows for greatest flexibility, trying very hard not to do it the easy way and 
just hack it together so it works for just this single application. He is an 
enabler, the creator of all the infrastructure, the very heart of a software 
project. He has to know every detail and all the implications of the actions he 
takes. So, as a library developer you pretty damn well care about everything, 
even naming of the libraries, because you don't just provide an application, 
you create a whole development kit which you intend to be used by others in 
ways you couldn't imagine.

On the other hand, the application programmer just assembles the pieces in 
new, often ingenious ways ;-)

Michael
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM, J Decker d3c...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem is that there IS NO CONVENTION on name decoration.

 Why is that a problem?

 well that any convention that YOU want, since there is no standard
 outside of what YOU desire, means you need to apply naming conventions
 to meat YOUR criteria.

I'm still not sure what the problem is.

 And yes, especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things.

 Why?


 Becuase it's something YOU desire, that the rest of the world rarely
 uses.  I've seen less than half a dozen projects that attempt to do
 that, and then have to fight with converting their projects to use
 just standard names of libraries I already have (strip off _debug and
 d's appended to library names for no good reason).  The product of a

Why is the -d suffix a problem for you?

 single build type is put in a single place all together, so why would
 there ever be a mixture.  How many libraries under linux actually
 install realease and debug together?

I'm not talking about Linux.

 and under windows there is no
 particular standard for where to install things, so it's entirely open
 for you to manipulate how you want.

Putting libs in the lib dir so the linker can find them sounds like a
good idea to me.

It seems you're saying that since there's no standard yet, we
shouldn't bother to improve the situation at all.

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 If CMake made the choice, somebody (i.e. exactly ONE person) would be a happy 
 camper, all the others would have froth in front of their mouths...

Why?

 It is trivial to add the decoration yourself, if you must wrap add_executable 
 and add_library in a custom function which sets the properties appropriately.

Sounds like tons of code duplication, which might be trivial but is
not a good thing.


 And yes, especially as a library developer you have to be aware of things.

 Why?

 A library developer has to think of everything. Otherwise the library is 
 useless.

Everything is a big word. Of course I disagree with you. Ever heard of
abstractions? They're there so one doesn't have to bother with all the
details.
With CMake, I don't have to think about how to build stuff on tons of
different platforms, CMake abstracts that for me. I don't see why it
can't do the same for naming.

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Jackson


On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:


Everything is a big word. Of course I disagree with you. Ever heard of
abstractions? They're there so one doesn't have to bother with all the
details.
With CMake, I don't have to think about how to build stuff on tons of
different platforms, CMake abstracts that for me. I don't see why it
can't do the same for naming.

Olaf



Because as a library developer YOU are responsible for making sure  
your library integrates well with the operating system you intend to  
deploy on it. Each Operating System has rules according to Person1,  
Person2, Person3 PersonN. It is up to YOU as the DEVELOPER of the  
library to pick something that makes sense for your project. And just  
because it makes sense for YOU does not mean it makes sense for MY  
project.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Michael Jackson
mike.jack...@bluequartz.net wrote:
 Because as a library developer YOU are responsible for making sure your
 library integrates well with the operating system you intend to deploy on
 it. Each Operating System has rules according to Person1, Person2,
 Person3 PersonN. It is up to YOU as the DEVELOPER of the library to pick
 something that makes sense for your project. And just because it makes sense
 for YOU does not mean it makes sense for MY project.

To be honest I've no idea what you're trying to say here.

If you don't want name decoration then you don't enable it, it's so simple...

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Jackson
I am saying that in the past 10 years of programming I found that  
there is NO standard, even within an Operating System itself. Some  
projects like a combined build of debug and release libraries with a  
d suffix on ALL platforms (Qt) even though OS X would have then put  
_debug. Another library, ITK, _really_ wants you to have distinct  
Debug and Release installation locations. They don't use ANY  
decorations. Boost, well, they went slap happy with their decorations  
and don't follow ANY standard (either perceived or real).
  The point is that if you want to integrate into any of those  
environments you better understand _their_ naming conventions, whether  
those conventions integrate with your chosen build environment and  
whether you are going to perpetuate someone else's standard or not.  
I'll leave the philosophical debate for somewhere else. After  
considering ALL of those factors (plus any thing else you deem  
important) then you make your decision about whether or not to  
decorate your libraries. Having the choice to do so is what CMake  
offers. To YOU, the default (no decorations) is WRONG. To the rest of  
us, the default is RIGHT.
   Your solution is valid. I will give you that. But the Default you  
propose is still wrong to the rest of us. If your solution was  
implemented but had a default of NO decoration you would still  
complain. As it is now CMake offers the functionality you want.

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On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Michael Jackson
mike.jack...@bluequartz.net wrote:
Because as a library developer YOU are responsible for making sure  
your
library integrates well with the operating system you intend to  
deploy on

it. Each Operating System has rules according to Person1, Person2,
Person3 PersonN. It is up to YOU as the DEVELOPER of the  
library to pick
something that makes sense for your project. And just because it  
makes sense

for YOU does not mean it makes sense for MY project.


To be honest I've no idea what you're trying to say here.

If you don't want name decoration then you don't enable it, it's so  
simple...


Olaf


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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Michael Wild




On 30.07.2010, at 00:07, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Michael Jackson
 mike.jack...@bluequartz.net wrote:
 Because as a library developer YOU are responsible for making sure your
 library integrates well with the operating system you intend to deploy on
 it. Each Operating System has rules according to Person1, Person2,
 Person3 PersonN. It is up to YOU as the DEVELOPER of the library to pick
 something that makes sense for your project. And just because it makes sense
 for YOU does not mean it makes sense for MY project.
 
 To be honest I've no idea what you're trying to say here.
 
 If you don't want name decoration then you don't enable it, it's so simple...
 
 Olaf

Just enable it, it' so simple.
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Michael Wild them...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just enable it, it' so simple.

What's the name of the switch I have to enable?

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Michael Jackson
mike.jack...@bluequartz.net wrote:
    I am saying that in the past 10 years of programming I found that there
 is NO standard, even within an Operating System itself. Some projects like a
 combined build of debug and release libraries with a d suffix on ALL
 platforms (Qt) even though OS X would have then put _debug. Another
 library, ITK, _really_ wants you to have distinct Debug and Release
 installation locations. They don't use ANY decorations. Boost, well, they
 went slap happy with their decorations and don't follow ANY standard (either
 perceived or real).
 The point is that if you want to integrate into any of those environments
 you better understand _their_ naming conventions, whether those conventions

Why would the naming convention have to match?

 integrate with your chosen build environment and whether you are going to
 perpetuate someone else's standard or not. I'll leave the philosophical
 debate for somewhere else. After considering ALL of those factors (plus any
 thing else you deem important) then you make your decision about whether or
 not to decorate your libraries. Having the choice to do so is what CMake
 offers. To YOU, the default (no decorations) is WRONG. To the rest of us,
 the default is RIGHT.

Why?
I'm still waiting for someone to post a reason of why a decorated name
is a problem for them.
Also waiting on an answer to the code duplication issue.

   Your solution is valid. I will give you that. But the Default you propose
 is still wrong to the rest of us. If your solution was implemented but had a
 default of NO decoration you would still complain.

I might complain, but that situation would be better than the current situation.

 As it is now CMake offers
 the functionality you want.

It doesn't. I'd like CMake to generate libs with unique names and it doesn't...

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Michael Jackson
mike.jack...@bluequartz.net wrote:

 On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:

 As it is now CMake offers
 the functionality you want.

 It doesn't. I'd like CMake to generate libs with unique names and it
 doesn't...

 It DOES. The cmake code has been posted on how to do it. Done.

Why are you not addressing over half of my questions?

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Clinton Stimpson
 
 Why?
 I'm still waiting for someone to post a reason of why a decorated name
 is a problem for them.
 Also waiting on an answer to the code duplication issue.
 

An automatic naming scheme could break existing applications that search for 
plugins based on their names.
Some of those developers may already be controlling their names explicitly, 
but some may not.

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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Clinton Stimpson clin...@elemtech.com wrote:

 Why?
 I'm still waiting for someone to post a reason of why a decorated name
 is a problem for them.
 Also waiting on an answer to the code duplication issue.


 An automatic naming scheme could break existing applications that search for
 plugins based on their names.
 Some of those developers may already be controlling their names explicitly,
 but some may not.

Good point, so let's make it opt-in.

Olaf
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Re: [CMake] [cmake-developers] Bug fix requests for the *next* release of CMake...

2010-07-29 Thread David Cole
I really wish you guys would have had this conversation on a separate thread
dedicated to the topic. (Oh wait, there already was one...)

Please take it to another thread, and leave this one as Bug fix requests
for the *next* release of CMake...


Thanks,
David


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Clinton Stimpson clin...@elemtech.com
 wrote:
 
  Why?
  I'm still waiting for someone to post a reason of why a decorated name
  is a problem for them.
  Also waiting on an answer to the code duplication issue.
 
 
  An automatic naming scheme could break existing applications that search
 for
  plugins based on their names.
  Some of those developers may already be controlling their names
 explicitly,
  but some may not.

 Good point, so let's make it opt-in.

 Olaf
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