Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-22 Thread Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via cmake-developers 
I do not find it to be a joke, rather than being one of the best out there (if 
not THE best).

I tried CLion just 2 weeks ago. It was a nice experience when it came to CMake, 
but it’s C++ IntelliSense capabilities seem to be lacking. (Truth be told, I 
did try with the experimental MSVC support, so I do plan to revisit CLion once 
that is baked.) The thing I did not like about CLion is that it tries to cater 
the click-click way of getting a build ready, but does not go all the way (nor 
even half the way).

I tried getting a build ready of one „src/Main.cpp” and a „inc/Header.hpp” (I 
believe this is the most common source file organization), but I failed to add 
the „target_include_directories” statement through the UI. So, if CLion caters 
those who wish to add source files through the UI, which even prompts for a 
CMake variable to add the source file to, and even follows along the lines of 
changing the CMake script when one relocates files through the UI… then why 
can’t I set something as simple as an include directory through the UI???

I believe the problem CLion got caught in is that it is very hard (if not 
impossible) to wrap a UI around a stateful, imperative language with also 
letting the user edit the CMakeLists.txt file. VS had a much easier job with 
MSBuild (an XML-based build system), but with CMake, it’s much harder. This was 
one of the reasons I suggested roughly a year ago to create an IR for CMake (to 
decouple generators from the front-end, and also facilitate IDE interop).


So all in all, I considered VS to be a nicer, more consistent overall 
experience than the one in CLion. I have not tried Qt Creator yet (I know it 
was among the first to adopt cmake-server), but will do soon, as I will also 
revisit CLion once they call the MSVC experience baked.

ps.: I found it strange that CLion still seems to rely on Codeblock NMake 
Makefiles for both executing a build AND also hooking the IntelliSense 
experience into the IDE. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought CLion will be 
the first to adopt cmake-server.
ps2.: Big brother VS is already at executing builds with Ninja by default.
ps3.: once this (link) issue is fixed in relation to the cmake-tools extension, 
I’ll consider VS Code for serious work. It has other nice benefits that big 
brother VS does not.

Feladó: Jean-Michaël Celerier
Elküldve: 2017. augusztus 18., péntek 15:37
Címzett: Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc
Másolatot kap: CMake Developers
Tárgy: Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

> Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake
IMHO, Visual Studio's CMake integration is a joke in comparison to QtCreator 
and CLion.




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On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via cmake-developers 
<cmake-developers@cmake.org> wrote:
Impressed with VSCode?? If I saw this post anywhere else than the CMake mailing 
list, I’d understand, but VSCode with CMake is horrible. The fact that in 2017 
I have to set include directories, compiler definitions and target paths 
manually to have proper IntelliSense (Code navigation and syntax higlight) is 
absurd.
 
As far as I saw Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake. 
(Google: Visual Studio Open Folder support with CMake)
 
Feladó: Wesley Smith
Elküldve: 2017. augusztus 10., csütörtök 6:38
Címzett: Ivam Pretti
Másolatot kap: cmake-developers@cmake.org
Tárgy: Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE
 
I have been really impressed with VSCode.  
 
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?

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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-18 Thread Marian Luparu via cmake-developers 
Thanks Bill. With every update of Visual Studio 2017 (2017.3 is the latest as 
of this moment), we're striving to improve the experience. 

For a shorter summary of the advantages of using Visual Studio for CMake 
projects, you can also check the deep-link 
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/07/05/7-reasons-to-move-your-cpp-code-to-visual-studio-2017/#openfolder
 . We do have a few more things in the pipeline as we speak, so stay tuned on 
our blog in the next weeks. 

Jean-Michaël, we're also always listening for feedback so if you think there 
are things missing in the experience today, do let us know! Hopefully we can 
pleasantly surprise you in the near future  (if you prefer, you can DM me on 
twitter @mluparu or send me email at @microsoft.com).

Thanks,
Marian Luparu
C++ Team / Visual Studio 

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On 8/18/2017 9:37 AM, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote:
>
> IMHO, Visual Studio's CMake integration is a joke in comparison to 
> QtCreator and CLion.
Microsoft has been working to fix that.
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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-18 Thread Bill Hoffman 

On 8/18/2017 9:37 AM, Jean-Michaël Celerier wrote:


IMHO, Visual Studio's CMake integration is a joke in comparison to 
QtCreator and CLion.

Microsoft has been working to fix that.
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/10/05/cmake-support-in-visual-studio/

MS is shipping a version of CMake with VS, and are using the 
cmake-server to talk to CMake.  They continue to improve this, so with 
new versions of VS, it should continue to get better.


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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-18 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier 
> Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake

IMHO, Visual Studio's CMake integration is a joke in comparison to
QtCreator and CLion.



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On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via
cmake-developers <cmake-developers@cmake.org> wrote:

> Impressed with VSCode?? If I saw this post anywhere else than the CMake
> mailing list, I’d understand, but VSCode with CMake is horrible. The fact
> that in 2017 I have to set include directories, compiler definitions and
> target paths manually to have proper IntelliSense (Code navigation and
> syntax higlight) is absurd.
>
>
>
> As far as I saw Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with
> CMake. (Google: Visual Studio Open Folder support with CMake)
>
>
>
> *Feladó: *Wesley Smith <wesley.h...@gmail.com>
> *Elküldve: *2017. augusztus 10., csütörtök 6:38
> *Címzett: *Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com>
> *Másolatot kap: *cmake-developers@cmake.org
> *Tárgy: *Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE
>
>
>
> I have been really impressed with VSCode <https://code.visualstudio.com/>.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?
>
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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-18 Thread Matt Anger 
CLion works well.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via cmake-developers
<cmake-developers@cmake.org> wrote:

> Impressed with VSCode?? If I saw this post anywhere else than the CMake
> mailing list, I’d understand, but VSCode with CMake is horrible. The fact
> that in 2017 I have to set include directories, compiler definitions and
> target paths manually to have proper IntelliSense (Code navigation and
> syntax higlight) is absurd.
>
>
>
> As far as I saw Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with
> CMake. (Google: Visual Studio Open Folder support with CMake)
>
>
>
> *Feladó: *Wesley Smith <wesley.h...@gmail.com>
> *Elküldve: *2017. augusztus 10., csütörtök 6:38
> *Címzett: *Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com>
> *Másolatot kap: *cmake-developers@cmake.org
> *Tárgy: *Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE
>
>
>
> I have been really impressed with VSCode <https://code.visualstudio.com/>.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?
>
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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-18 Thread Nagy-Egri Máté Ferenc via cmake-developers 
Impressed with VSCode?? If I saw this post anywhere else than the CMake mailing 
list, I’d understand, but VSCode with CMake is horrible. The fact that in 2017 
I have to set include directories, compiler definitions and target paths 
manually to have proper IntelliSense (Code navigation and syntax higlight) is 
absurd.

As far as I saw Visual Studio 2017 has the best C/C++ experience with CMake. 
(Google: Visual Studio Open Folder support with CMake)

Feladó: Wesley Smith
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Címzett: Ivam Pretti
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I have been really impressed with VSCode.  

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Ivam Pretti <ivamprett...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?

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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-09 Thread Wesley Smith 
I have been really impressed with VSCode .

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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-07 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier 
QtCreator is nice.



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On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Rolf Eike Beer  wrote:

> Am Sonntag, 6. August 2017, 17:52:13 schrieb Ivam Pretti:
> > Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?
>
> KDevelop.
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Re: [cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-06 Thread Rolf Eike Beer 
Am Sonntag, 6. August 2017, 17:52:13 schrieb Ivam Pretti:
> Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?

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[cmake-developers] C++ IDE

2017-08-06 Thread Ivam Pretti 
Can you recomend an IDE to code in C/C++?
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