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I wanted to install a sound system in the cockpit of my 29-2 for many years but didn't want to drill large holes in the fiberglass to mount the speakers. Conventional marine speakers and grills always seem to get accidentally damaged in the cockpit of a sailboat. Water damage to speakers is another issue even if they are rated "waterproof". I installed 4 sound exciters instead of conventional speakers which elegantly addressed my concerns. Here is a link to my solution. See the "description" on You Tube for more details. I am extremely happy with the final results and the sound quality is better than I had imagined. The wired remote which controls the main stereo unit is fitted to the existing access port on the side of the cockpit. I just posted this information onto the cncphotoalbum site in the "FORUM" under the section for C&C 29"s but wanted to share this with the rest of the group. These sound exciters are great for cabin installations too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtyRW3KCbxQ hotwater Posts: 14 Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:56 pm Top ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Not sure how much you use the stove. ie: is this to do a few meals and coffee at weekends or are you planning long, extended cruises? I have a 2 burner, Force 10, stainless, propane stove on my 26. It fitted where the original Kenyon stove was mounted in the worktop. Just a little cutting to open up the opening slightly. It has a cutting board on top which helps increase the working surface if I'm not cooking. It's not plumbed in to a propane tank. I use those small cylinders that fit the BBQ. I disconnect when I'm done cooking and store them in one of the cockpit lockers with a vent to just above the waterline. Not sure how legal it is, but I feel it's quite safe as long as I disconnect when done and I'm not too concerned that Canadian Coast Guard will turn up on the Ghost. I doubt they know the rules anyway. But I don't do extended cruises, so no gourmet, 5 course meals. Sam Salter C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 29/06/2013 7:13 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: I have seen people use $50 propane camping stoves to replace 2 burner alky stoves. It is safe with appropriate precautions. I have a CNG 4 burner stove and oven. I absolutely LOVE it except the fuel is getting harder to find and is quite expensive. Until the last kitchen remodel it was better than the stove in my house. We also got good use out of a 1 burner Sea-Swing offshore. Nothing beats that for extreme weather cooking. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I have seen people use $50 propane camping stoves to replace 2 burner alky stoves. It is safe with appropriate precautions. I have a CNG 4 burner stove and oven. I absolutely LOVE it except the fuel is getting harder to find and is quite expensive. Until the last kitchen remodel it was better than the stove in my house. We also got good use out of a 1 burner Sea-Swing offshore. Nothing beats that for extreme weather cooking. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Hi Dennis, So you think I should just give it a try? Should I buy from a camping store? Anything that says stove fuel? I have not read anything about the big box fuel. Are you saying to stay away or that it should be fine with the big box stuff? Danny From my Android phone Original message From: "Dennis C." Date: 06/29/2013 10:25 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 Danny, The stove on Touché hadn't been used in 10-15 years. It fired right up. Yours may just need cleaning. The secret is to use a good, high quality sootless stove fuel. Don't believe what you might read about using alcohols bought at a big box store. Pay the extra dollar or two for dedicated stove fuel. I keep a small hand bicycle pump on board to pump the tank to 7-9 psi. I have original instruction manual for my Shipmate 3 burner with oven. The burners heat up happily. The oven is pathetic. Might make 275F on a hot day in July. The Admiral and I are both experienced campers so we're used to such stoves. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Danny Haughey wrote: > I have to be honest I haven't even tried this stove. I assumed it to need a > rebuild given it hasn't been used in so long. I wonder if it may have a > rebuild kit somewhere... > > Danny > > "Dennis C." wrote: > >> Most alcohol stoves are close cousins of camping stoves. Touché's pressure >> alcohol stove has Primus burners. They're fairly standard. Try A&H >> enterprises in Tustin, California for parts. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touché 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: >> >>> did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm >>> having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be >>> repaired. I have the old alcohol type. >>> >>> danny >>> >>> Please note: message attached >>> >>> From: johnr...@aol.com >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> >>> >>> Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. >>> >>> John McLaughlin >>> ___ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LED cabin lights
Also - FYI - switching regulators can make a lot of RF noise. I have on bulb that I can hear quite clearly on the SSB. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List LED cabin lights Beware that the LEDs, especially when used with PWM dimmers will create flicker. Most often that flicker is not noticeable, but it exists and it does affect the eyes. How this affects you would of course depend on the application. But reading may not be the best. The opposite end of the spectrum would be using dimmed lights for the cabin lighting when you are sailing at night (it won't affect you at all at the helm). Marek ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LED cabin lights
Beware that the LEDs, especially when used with PWM dimmers will create flicker. Most often that flicker is not noticeable, but it exists and it does affect the eyes. How this affects you would of course depend on the application. But reading may not be the best. The opposite end of the spectrum would be using dimmed lights for the cabin lighting when you are sailing at night (it won't affect you at all at the helm). Marek ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Steve Thomas would like to recall the message, "Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2". ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Danny, The stove on Touché hadn't been used in 10-15 years. It fired right up. Yours may just need cleaning. The secret is to use a good, high quality sootless stove fuel. Don't believe what you might read about using alcohols bought at a big box store. Pay the extra dollar or two for dedicated stove fuel. I keep a small hand bicycle pump on board to pump the tank to 7-9 psi. I have original instruction manual for my Shipmate 3 burner with oven. The burners heat up happily. The oven is pathetic. Might make 275F on a hot day in July. The Admiral and I are both experienced campers so we're used to such stoves. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Danny Haughey wrote: > I have to be honest I haven't even tried this stove. I assumed it to need a > rebuild given it hasn't been used in so long. I wonder if it may have a > rebuild kit somewhere... > > Danny > > "Dennis C." wrote: > >> Most alcohol stoves are close cousins of camping stoves. Touché's pressure >> alcohol stove has Primus burners. They're fairly standard. Try A&H >> enterprises in Tustin, California for parts. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touché 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: >> >>> did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm >>> having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be >>> repaired. I have the old alcohol type. >>> >>> danny >>> >>> Please note: message attached >>> >>> From: johnr...@aol.com >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) >>> >>> >>> Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. >>> >>> John McLaughlin >>> ___ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> ___ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 + diesel?
Josh, Nice looking stoves. Certainly a viable option for replacing an alcohol stove or older propane stove. Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 + diesel? Jake, Diesel is a "wet" fuel so besides the smell you have to vent the water vapor as well. The burner chamber is contained and vented to the atmosphere through a small (~2") hose and micro fan (CPU fan). The burner sits below a "glass top" so there is no exposed flame. When you close the optional lid a blower comes on and draws air in from behind, under the lid/over the burner and out the front. Cabin heater. They also make a version with an oven and I'm pretty sure they are designed to fit in place of common propane and alcohol models. The name of the company is wallas but you need to follow the link below. http://www.scanmarineusa.com/ Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Oops, I meant to address John, the original poster. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Steve Thomas Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:05 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 Dan, You should try the stove you have, in my opinion. If you have experience with a naphtha camp stove, you will find that the pressure alcohol stove is quite similar in operation. The main operational difference is that you shut off the alcohol while the burner is pre-heating, and there is no smoke during that step. I find that you have to pump the tank a bit more often than with naphtha. As for the other options, the Origo type alcohol stoves are dead simple but not as hot, and a bit more sensitive to air currents in the boat than other choices. The flame can come out under the pot and damage the slide that controls the flame, if you are careless and unlucky with air currents. Lived on a boat for a month this year that only had one burner working because of that sort of damage. Propane is the next easiest to use from the operator stand point, and has a hotter flame than alcohol, but installation complexity, cost, and fuel handling may be an issue. Once installed, it is the hands down first choice for most people. The safety issues with propane can be dealt with through proper installation and operation. I have no personal experience with diesel cook stoves, but have observed that they seem to be used mainly by long distance and long term cruisers. You still have to use alcohol for pre-heat, so there is still at least one other fuel on board. One couple I know, with a Corbin 39, switched to propane once they decided their ocean passage making days were over. Anyway I would do a thorough investigation before considering a diesel cook stove. Kerosene is less smelly and sooty than diesel, and might be a choice as well. My boat is equipped with a Kenyon pressurized alcohol stove, but it appears to be the same as the kerosene version except for the burners, and maybe only the jets, I am not sure. I have considered trying it with kerosene just to see if it will work. Kerosene will give you a hotter flame, but all things considered I can't see it worth the trouble unless alcohol was hard to get. You still have to use alcohol for pre-heat in any case. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Danny Haughey Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 I have to be honest I haven't even tried this stove. I assumed it to need a rebuild given it hasn't been used in so long. I wonder if it may have a rebuild kit somewhere... Danny "Dennis C." wrote: >Most alcohol stoves are close cousins of camping stoves. Touché's pressure >alcohol stove has Primus burners. They're fairly standard. Try A&H enterprises >in Tustin, California for parts. > >Dennis C. >Touché 35-1 #83 >Mandeville, LA > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: > >> did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm >> having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be repaired. >> I have the old alcohol type. >> >> danny >> >> Please note: message attached >> >> From: johnr...@aol.com >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 >> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. >> >> John McLaughlin ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Dan, You should try the stove you have, in my opinion. If you have experience with a naphtha camp stove, you will find that the pressure alcohol stove is quite similar in operation. The main operational difference is that you shut off the alcohol while the burner is pre-heating, and there is no smoke during that step. I find that you have to pump the tank a bit more often than with naphtha. As for the other options, the Origo type alcohol stoves are dead simple but not as hot, and a bit more sensitive to air currents in the boat than other choices. The flame can come out under the pot and damage the slide that controls the flame, if you are careless and unlucky with air currents. Lived on a boat for a month this year that only had one burner working because of that sort of damage. Propane is the next easiest to use from the operator stand point, and has a hotter flame than alcohol, but installation complexity, cost, and fuel handling may be an issue. Once installed, it is the hands down first choice for most people. The safety issues with propane can be dealt with through proper installation and operation. I have no personal experience with diesel cook stoves, but have observed that they seem to be used mainly by long distance and long term cruisers. You still have to use alcohol for pre-heat, so there is still at least one other fuel on board. One couple I know, with a Corbin 39, switched to propane once they decided their ocean passage making days were over. Anyway I would do a thorough investigation before considering a diesel cook stove. Kerosene is less smelly and sooty than diesel, and might be a choice as well. My boat is equipped with a Kenyon pressurized alcohol stove, but it appears to be the same as the kerosene version except for the burners, and maybe only the jets, I am not sure. I have considered trying it with kerosene just to see if it will work. Kerosene will give you a hotter flame, but all things considered I can't see it worth the trouble unless alcohol was hard to get. You still have to use alcohol for pre-heat in any case. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Danny Haughey Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 I have to be honest I haven't even tried this stove. I assumed it to need a rebuild given it hasn't been used in so long. I wonder if it may have a rebuild kit somewhere... Danny "Dennis C." wrote: >Most alcohol stoves are close cousins of camping stoves. Touché's pressure >alcohol stove has Primus burners. They're fairly standard. Try A&H enterprises >in Tustin, California for parts. > >Dennis C. >Touché 35-1 #83 >Mandeville, LA > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:42 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com" wrote: > >> did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm >> having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be repaired. >> I have the old alcohol type. >> >> danny >> >> Please note: message attached >> >> From: johnr...@aol.com >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 >> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. >> >> John McLaughlin ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks Raymond. I will pass on stove with oven, but would appreciate your comments on this type of alcohol stove that uses canisters. John McLaughlin C&C 29-2 'Falcon' -Original Message- From: RAYMOND SHIBE To: cnc-list Sent: Fri, Jun 28, 2013 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 Danny, John I have a slightly used Origo 6000 (2) burner w/ oven alcohol I would be willing sell for much less than a new one. It came with the boat and does not have much use on it. I have replaced the Origo with a propane. Ray Shibe On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 05:42 PM, djhaug...@juno.com wrote: did this question just get overlooked? I didn't see any responses... I'm having to do something with my stove as well. I think they can be repaired. I have the old alcohol type. danny Please note: message attached From: johnr...@aol.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Any recommendations for a new stove for Falcon. John McLaughlin ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 + diesel?
Jake, Diesel is a "wet" fuel so besides the smell you have to vent the water vapor as well. The burner chamber is contained and vented to the atmosphere through a small (~2") hose and micro fan (CPU fan). The burner sits below a "glass top" so there is no exposed flame. When you close the optional lid a blower comes on and draws air in from behind, under the lid/over the burner and out the front. Cabin heater. They also make a version with an oven and I'm pretty sure they are designed to fit in place of common propane and alcohol models. The name of the company is wallas but you need to follow the link below. http://www.scanmarineusa.com/ Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com On Jun 29, 2013 7:54 AM, "Jake Brodersen" wrote: > Josh, > > ** ** > > While a diesel stove seems safer and uses the same fuel you already carry, > the resulting odor in the cabin has got to be ghastly. A diesel heater has > an exhaust to get rid of the odor. What can they do to a stove to make the > smell go away? > > ** ** > > Jake > > ** ** > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *Midnight Mistress* > > *Hampton VA* > > * * > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940]** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh > Muckley > *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 9:38 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 > > ** ** > > There is a company that makes a diesel stove. I plan to replace my Force > 10...when it dies. The stove has a cutting board lid that when closed > turns the unit I to a cabin heater. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > > -- > When privacy matters. > http://www.secure-my-email.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 + diesel?
The Wallas stove Josh is referring to has an exhaust. There is no exposed flame in the boat's interior. http://www.wallas.fi/default.asp?id=boat-stove-en Ken H. On 29 June 2013 08:51, Jake Brodersen wrote: > Josh, > > ** ** > > While a diesel stove seems safer and uses the same fuel you already carry, > the resulting odor in the cabin has got to be ghastly. A diesel heater has > an exhaust to get rid of the odor. What can they do to a stove to make the > smell go away? > > ** ** > > Jake > > ** ** > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *Midnight Mistress* > > *Hampton VA* > > * * > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940]** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh > Muckley > *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 9:38 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 > > ** ** > > There is a company that makes a diesel stove. I plan to replace my Force > 10...when it dies. The stove has a cutting board lid that when closed > turns the unit I to a cabin heater. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > > -- > When privacy matters. > http://www.secure-my-email.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 + diesel?
Josh, While a diesel stove seems safer and uses the same fuel you already carry, the resulting odor in the cabin has got to be ghastly. A diesel heater has an exhaust to get rid of the odor. What can they do to a stove to make the smell go away? Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Replacement for C&C29-2 There is a company that makes a diesel stove. I plan to replace my Force 10...when it dies. The stove has a cutting board lid that when closed turns the unit I to a cabin heater. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com <>___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
