Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John _ http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill J Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
the funny thing is that they even left the stus-list in the subject. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Price via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: j...@dellabarba.com j...@dellabarba.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:05:18 -0500 Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill J Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Fleebay Scores
eBay is an auction site where anyone can list anything.. So it's random. I have had some great deals on both new an old stuff. For sailing stuff don't forget to look for for the ebay UK site it seems to have a lot more 'Specialist stuff as they call it. Shipping from the UK has not been a problem so far. Usually, I find the stuff that's perfect, priced right, and ready to go when I'm least prepared to spend the dough,,, Amazon is great too, so is Craigslist, etc. I also have a list of web sites and addresses specialized in used boating / sailing equipment if anyone is interested. And oh.., Don't forget marina flee markets and swap meets. I made out like a bandit last year picking up (Among other things) a very lightly used spinnaker that's an almost perfect fit for Take Five for 100.00 Bucks. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Ga___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Best one I got was a WARNING KEY WEST MARINA ROBBERY email. It was a warning from a guy who was asked to rub suntan lotion on two very attractive girls wandering local marina. While he was doing this, their accomplice stole his wallet from his car. He said he got robbed Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday last week and Wednesday this week. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:36 AM To: iceboa...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin the funny thing is that they even left the stus-list in the subject. -- Original Message -- From: Chris Price via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com , cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:05:18 -0500 Funny, same thing happened to a friend of mine in Singapore. Same hotel,too! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I suggest you use some of the gold your cousin the prince has in Nigeria to pay the bill :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John _ http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores
The VERY best scores for sailors are - of course - dumpster scores :) I found two excellent winch handles on top of the dumpster in Annapolis. A little WD-40 freed up the plastic handle part and they are good as new. Next to the Rock Hall dumpster I got a 4 foot antenna extension that looked new. Next to my marina dumpster I got a really nice metal safety 5 gallon gas can NEVER BEEN USED. It was dry and had no gas smell at all inside of it. I got a starting battery from our recycle pile that was made in 1990, thrown on the pile in 1993, and worked fine until about 2001. Gel cells last a long time :) I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large Bimini top made out of dark blue Sunbrella that still had the new cloth smell. I have no idea why anyone would throw this away. WTF?? It looks like it was never even put up once and it is huge. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fleebay Scores eBay is an auction site where anyone can list anything.. So it's random. I have had some great deals on both new an old stuff. For sailing stuff don't forget to look for for the ebay UK site it seems to have a lot more 'Specialist stuff as they call it. Shipping from the UK has not been a problem so far. Usually, I find the stuff that's perfect, priced right, and ready to go when I'm least prepared to spend the dough,,, Amazon is great too, so is Craigslist, etc. I also have a list of web sites and addresses specialized in used boating / sailing equipment if anyone is interested. And oh.., Don't forget marina flee markets and swap meets. I made out like a bandit last year picking up (Among other things) a very lightly used spinnaker that's an almost perfect fit for Take Five for 100.00 Bucks. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Ga ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin
Which John Irvinn or John Irvin am I talking to? John, where are your family and friends? And hopefully there is more than one flight out of Kiev. On 2014/07/11 8:11 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List wrote: I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)
Draft and draft limitations are interesting markers for some. To me there is no right or wrong, just comfort level. Or slip depth… We have acquaintances in the Annapolis area who regularly cruised the Bahamas with one of the original CC 40’s with it’s deep draft. They had no problems and when they decided to sell the 40 and move up, they bought a Swan 47. ~7.5 feet of draft. They still spend their winters in the Bahamas having a good time. I come at it from the other end of the spectrum. I’ll take as much keel as I can reasonable get away with. The 37 has 6’ 8” and I’ve never had a problem with it (oh yes, I have run aground many times. ;-) ) on the Bay and plan on using it in the Bahamas. I just enjoy the sailing characteristics of and am comfortable with lots of keel underneath me. I’m also lucky that even in conditions that blow the water out of the Bay so much that the fish are flopping around, that my boat is still floating. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
There was an early CC 39 ('71 model if I remember correctly) in
Jacksonville that had the keel chopped and a (home made ?) bulb bolted on.
The owner told me that he could access his skinny water slip but that the
boat no longer sailed as it did originally.
He decided to sell the boat and it sat for years with a for sale sign on
the life line, he even tried to donate it to the sea scouts and they would
have it. The last that I heard that she was finally scrapped.
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be
marginal at best.
I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the
keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to
spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the
increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some
credit if you sent them the lead you removed.
Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
*Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
*To:* Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Steve,
As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I
would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise
the Bahamas.
Joel
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and
deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum.
Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay
for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his
mooring is in rather slim water.
His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing
winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and
will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect
and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks
like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the
small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the
'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have
another project?
On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in
Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no
self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and
seven feet is a non-starter around here.
Gary
still happy with the 30-1
- Original Message -
*From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
*Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60
engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I
had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine,
but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead
forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is
apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be
trapped in my slip except at high tide.
*Joe Della Barba*
*Coquina*
*CC 35 MK I*
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 blockquote - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be trapped in my slip except at high tide. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
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Horses for courses. Deep-draft boats--like Peregrine--are wonderful puttering around the Northeast or Northwest...or Mexico... or the Caribbean. And I bet I could find any number of beautiful anchorages in the Chesapeake that would suit me just fine, though it might be a long row over to Joe's boat for cocktails! Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:* Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM *To:* j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck *Resolute* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM *To:* Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - *From:* Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM *Subject:* Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time. My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget
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It would be no problem at Higgins in St. Michaels (in the travel lift area or on the end of the T dock), but I could swim to it from my slip I'd love to try it coming from the north in Kent Narrows - think I could get past the turn? Gary - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List To: 'CNC boat owners, cnc-list' Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
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Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:*Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM *To:* j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck */Resolute/* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:11:31 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:02 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I like the Chesapeake; it's all soft mud, which means that with enough horsepower pretty much every place is accessible with deep draft. And there's a channel for getting back out. Granted it'd only be a foot or two wide... Bill, where are you going in New England that more than five feet is too limiting? I can only think of a couple of places. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else. Bill Bina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My boat draws 5.5 feet. Im not too worried about navigating in Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always. Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J Skip Mary Jane CC 33 ¾ ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Andrew, you would have to stay away from most of the Eastern shore. As Joe mentioned, the channels leading to both Kent Narrows and Knapps Narrows are not deep enough - I've been aground in each with 5 feet (and trying to stick to the known deeper areas - neither is passable with 7). With seven feet, you would have to do a lot of straight line motoring to stay in the rather narrow channels - I guess a 427 big block would provide enough power - my buddy's Perkins 90 in his 36 footer was barely enough to pull us out in one instance (23 inch four blade prop). Even Mr. Connor ran aground in Toshiba Volvo, but that was 13 feet deep - and he was just trying to tack up the Bay. Stick to the center of the Bay (but be wary of commercial traffic in the shipping channel) - and on the western shore, and a good forward scanning sonar would help. Gary - Original Message - From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List To: Bill Bina - gmail ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? I like the Chesapeake; it's all soft mud, which means that with enough horsepower pretty much every place is accessible with deep draft. And there's a channel for getting back out. Granted it'd only be a foot or two wide... Bill, where are you going in New England that more than five feet is too limiting? I can only think of a couple of places. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Up here in New England, what you hit when you run aground is often a boulder or a rock ledge, not soft forgiving Chesapeake mud! For that reason, I would never even consider a boat that drew over 5 feet. Too many places I could not visit at all, and too many obstacles everywhere else. Bill Bina -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote: My boat draws 5.5 feet. I'm not too worried about navigating in Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always. Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J Skip Mary Jane CC 33 ¾ ton Portsmouth, RI *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I grew up in Huntington (my wife in Greenwich). We went down there a few years back (in September...glorious time of year) and visited the old haunts. Stayed at Indian Harbor Yacht club and Northport. Went in and of Huntington and I was a wee bit draft concerned. I guess the nicer anchorages (Lloy's Harbor Lloyd's Neck, Easton's Neck?) I couldn't go near...but during the week in September everything is quiet, even the larger harbors I can get into. We even had wind. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:47:51 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote: My boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always. Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J Skip Mary Jane CC 33 ¾ ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Interesting phishing trip. The recent StuList email has his home hotmail addys john.irv...@hotmail.com, JOHN D IRVIN john.ir...@rogers.com, I received an identical one to personal inbox from this addy: JOHN D IRVIN reading...@yahoo.ca He was on Stu'sList a couple of years ago. My guess is Yahoo and Hotmail accounts are easily hacked so go Gmail and then you have to nothing worry about as NSA will review everything :) Cheers, Russ I didn't help out either. At 04:11 AM 11/07/2014, you wrote: I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5 working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you. Thanks, John -- http://www.avast.com/ [] http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because http://www.avast.com/avast! Antivirus protection is active. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am often aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that... Tim Mojito Branford, CT On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores
You win! At 06:36 AM 11/07/2014, you wrote: The VERY best scores for sailors are of course dumpster scores J I found two excellent winch handles on top of the dumpster in Annapolis. A little WD-40 freed up the plastic handle part and they are good as new. Next to the Rock Hall dumpster I got a 4 foot antenna extension that looked new. Next to my marina dumpster I got a really nice metal safety 5 gallon gas can NEVER BEEN USED. It was dry and had no gas smell at all inside of it. I got a starting battery from our recycle pile that was made in 1990, thrown on the pile in 1993, and worked fine until about 2001. Gel cells last a long time J I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large Bimini top made out of dark blue Sunbrella that still had the new cloth smell. I have no idea why anyone would throw this away. WTF?? It looks like it was never even put up once and it is huge. Joe Della Barba mailto:j...@dellabarba.comj...@dellabarba.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
How much overnight cruising do you do? Do you stop at marinas, or do you anchor out most of the time? Have you tried some of the nicer anchorages like Mattituck Inlet, or do you stick to the larger, more crowded anchorages? I tend to think you might be sailing right past most of the best places with out even being aware of them. You are near the Thimble Islands. How much of them can you navigate besides the main anchorage, which is always crowded? Sure, you could sail to Pt Judith and anchor behind the breakwater with a 25 knot breeze stretching your rode like a violin string, but I can go up and into Pt Judith Pond a few minutes away, which is a beautiful and quiet jewel. :-) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:49 AM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am often aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that... Tim Mojito Branford, CT On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Yes to Mattituck and the Thimbles, which I first explored by SUP and Laser... On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: How much overnight cruising do you do? Do you stop at marinas, or do you anchor out most of the time? Have you tried some of the nicer anchorages like Mattituck Inlet, or do you stick to the larger, more crowded anchorages? I tend to think you might be sailing right past most of the best places with out even being aware of them. You are near the Thimble Islands. How much of them can you navigate besides the main anchorage, which is always crowded? Sure, you could sail to Pt Judith and anchor behind the breakwater with a 25 knot breeze stretching your rode like a violin string, but I can go up and into Pt Judith Pond a few minutes away, which is a beautiful and quiet jewel. :-) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:49 AM, Tim Goodyear wrote: 6.5' of a 35-3 hasn't held me back from visiting those area (but I am often aground in my slip in Branford). The 3GM helps with that... Tim Mojito Branford, CT On Jul 11, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:17 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: Bill, Where in NE? Up here in Buzzards Bay and surrounds I can count on one hand where I cant take my 7 1/2' draft. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List re Atomic 4 (Indigo) now propane locker latches
I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard. If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good. As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like an Atomic 4 might. TIC VBG insert other Wally type qualifications Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote: No latch on the propane locker? This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a propane tank to explode. The tank has a pressure relief plug and relief valve built into the valve. I think a tank explosion would need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet. I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five models, all have latches. Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up? My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch. I won't be adding a latch. But I wouldn't require latches be removed either. Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect the tank and soap joints. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 12:18:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List re Atomic 4 (Indigo) NEVER lock or latch a propane locker! Repeat, NEVER. If the tank explodes you want the force to blow upwards through the freely opening hatch. If it is latched or locked, the force will blow downward through the bottom of your boat. I don't think legal propane lockers even have a latch. That is probably a code violation. Bill Bina On 7/9/2014 12:06 PM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List wrote: Jon, If people used the same due dilligence with their gas engines that you do with propane this would not be an issue. I have all the propane equipment you do and still turn off the gas at the tank when I'm done cooking. My propane locker has a pad lock on it, rule on the boat is; Lock open, gas on, lock closed, gas off. When I shut down the stove I step outside and shut the valve at the tank and close the pad lock. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Got me beat! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote: My boat draws 5.5 feet. Im not too worried about navigating in Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always. Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J Skip Mary Jane CC 33 ¾ ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Heading toward Maine later this summer. I don't think 7.5' will be a problem there. One of my joys with cruising my boat since I got her last year, is actually getting to stop and explore the places I visit. I sail between harbors. Sometimes that takes a while if there's not much breeze. But in the CC I have a superb sailing craft, so I make way in a zephyr. If there's more breeze than I feel like sailing in, I don't. Years ago as a charter captain, I would go to many of these places, but my job was to keep my guests happy, not enjoy the place. Now, as a delivery skipper, I go places and either pick up or drop off a boat and leave. In between ports I have an average speed I try to maintain, so if the wind is too light to give me 5-6 knots, on goes the engine despite the fact that sailing would be much more enjoyable. One of these days, when I've grown bored with all the deep harbors, I'll start to feel restricted by my draft. But so far the novelty hasn't worn off. Andy CC 40 Peregrine -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Vibrating saw caulk cutter blade and other scraper blades
I am replacing ports in an old Allmand 35. What a job! They're the plastic opening ports from Gray Enterprises (Pompanette) that you see on a lot of older Hunters. Screwed in from inside with a protruding lip and trim ring on the outside. The cut out in the coach roof was oversized by 3/8 to 1/2 inch. The gap was filled with sealant, looked like silicone. I took a worn out blade for my Dremel MultiMax, filed the teeth off and rounded the corners. It cut through the silicone fairly quickly and shortened the length of the job. It works way better than a 5 in 1 knife or hand scraper. I seem to recall a lister who was developing a prototype scraper blade. However, there are several commercially available now to fit a variety of vibrating saws. I also ordered a commercial scraper blade for my MultiMax, it's Dremel part MM610. Much wider than my home made one. The Bosch OSC2FSC blade looks good also. If you are thinking of looking into them be advised that they come in rigid and flexible blades. The flexible blade is able to get under flanges, etc. and still have the rest of the blade held off the surface. I'm thinking that people are using these scraper blades to remove layered bottom paint now also. The vibrating saw has become one of my go to tools for boat work. Great for making cut outs for VHF or stereo installs. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
In Florida, any draft of more than 5 feet severely limits you, mostly to major ports. You can get around many parts of Biscayne Bay, but forget about the Gulf side of the Keys, which has some great cruising spots. With a deeper draft, you can anchor in spots on Hawk’s Channel and dinghy in, but there’s not an easy marina to get into until Boot Key Harbor on Marathon. On the west coast of Florida, where I sail now, a deep draft would cause all sorts of random problems. I ran aground last year in Little Sarasota Bay in the center of the Intracoastal channel. : My draft: 3 feet, 6 inches. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fleebay Scores
You do well for someone who normally doesn't dumpster dive:) Rich On Jul 11, 2014, at 13:03, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would not normally look inside a dumpster, but I did fish out a large Bimini top made out of ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new). The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven feet is a non-starter around here. Gary still happy with the 30-1 blockquote - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States This looks like
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
Don't get too ambitious and go up to the Middle River area.. just came from there and you have to stay between the lines. Gary - Original Message - From: cnc-list--- via CnC-List To: j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have another project? On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it
Stus-List propane locker latches
Hi Russ, Propane is 1.5 X the density of air I.E. it goes down like water. On my boat, the CC engineered propane locker is under the floor just ahead of the steering quadrant and the lid is a removable triangle shaped false floor that goes from a point under the steering Binnacle to cover the the steering quadrant / becomes the floor for the open transom / swim platform. There is no seal on the lid as there is no need for it. Just a couple drains on the bottom that lead overboard for the water / propane to drain. Best Regards, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard. If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good. As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like an Atomic 4 might. TIC VBG insert other Wally type qualifications Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote: No latch on the propane locker? This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a propane tank to explode. The tank has a pressure relief plug and relief valve built into the valve. I think a tank explosion would need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet. I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five models, all have latches. Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up? My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch. I won't be adding a latch. But I wouldn't require latches be removed either. Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect the tank and soap joints. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
Have to lookup Middle River. We explored Cat Tail Creek last weekend. GPS has done a great job keeping us from bumping the bottom. Ran thru many winding turns past several moorings and beautiful waterfront homes as far as a sidewheeler w a french name sitting on a lift. Turned round when I started seeing 9's on the depth sounder and the trees indicated a breeze. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:18:18 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Don't get too ambitious and go up to the Middle River area.. just came from there and you have to stay between the lines. Gary - Original Message - From: cnc-list--- via CnC-List To: j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with. I think
Re: Stus-List propane locker latches
Francous, Do you have two tanks there? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:36:48 PM Subject: Stus-List propane locker latches Hi Russ, Propane is 1.5 X the density of air I.E. it goes down like water. On my boat, the CC engineered propane locker is under the floor just ahead of the steering quadrant and the lid is a removable triangle shaped false floor that goes from a point under the steering Binnacle to cover the the steering quadrant / becomes the floor for the open transom / swim platform. There is no seal on the lid as there is no need for it. Just a couple drains on the bottom that lead overboard for the water / propane to drain. Best Regards, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia I would expect it is proper to have a latch AND a good seal. The whole purpose of a propane locker is to send vapour (leak) overboard. If a large leak escapes through an improper seal then you have a potential path to the interior via the companionway. Not good. As Chuck points out, a propane tank explodes due to overheating beyond the capacity of a relief valve. They don't just blow up like an Atomic 4 might. TIC VBG insert other Wally type qualifications Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 08:29 PM 10/07/2014, you wrote: No latch on the propane locker? This sounds good at first, until you question what would cause a propane tank to explode. The tank has a pressure relief plug and relief valve built into the valve. I think a tank explosion would need direct flame, or a spark near a leak near the tank, direct flame for a period of time, or a hot bullet. I was curious so checked Defender cataloge and see their five models, all have latches. Maybe it's safer to protect the tank from exposure to flames than to worry about directing the force up? My tank sits in a compartment w a lid without a latch. I won't be adding a latch. But I wouldn't require latches be removed either. Best prevention is to perform a leak test when you connect the tank and soap joints. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard CC, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his mooring is in rather slim water. His thoughts were: Old gear,
Stus-List Propane Locker Latches
Hi Chuck, Yes I do. They are 2 slim (About 6.5 inch diam) and kinda tall tanks I believe they hold 6 LB. We use the propane oven / cooktop regularly and I have yet to have to re-fill. One of the few things I did not have to replace / rehab :-) -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
Geeze skip, I thought you were in New Hampshire... there I was going on about Kittery and such. LOl You really are close by! What Marina are you at? I may be looking for a new home for Lolita... From my Android phone Original message From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 07/11/2014 12:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Bill Bina - gmail' billbinal...@gmail.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Got me beat! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? The issue is not sailing to places across deep water. The issue is where you can stop and visit. In the area I outlined, a 7.5 foot draft would eliminate probably something like 75% of the nicest anchorages. Maybe more. I have been sailing this area for over 50 years. Bill Bina On 7/11/2014 11:38 AM, Burt Stratton wrote: My boat draws 5.5 feet. I’m not too worried about navigating in Narragansett Bay, over to the south side of the Cape or out to Block Island. I will probably avoid Woods hole for a number of reasons. Just need to pay attention as always. Usually enough wind to get her well heeled over the thin spots J Skip Mary Jane CC 33 ¾ ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Between NYC and Newport R.I. (Long Island Sound, Fisher's Island Sound, and between the forks of Long Island) Bill Bina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends. My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing close to Broad Creek. We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard CC, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [ mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net ] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? Steve, As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money! I would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the Bahamas. Joel On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I
Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
Mark, My understanding with Dyneema is that you will need to replace it often. If you race seriously, the lower weight could be worth the added expense and upkeep. Otherwise, wire would be the way to go. There's a company I've used in the past to replace the lifelines on the Enterprise-A called Rigging Only. When I replace the ones on the B in a year or two, I'll use them again. They provide you with all the instructions you need to measure and then they will make everything for you. Great value. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 On Jul 11, 2014, at 7:59 PM, M Bod via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
I had similar questions but after talking with a rigging specialist, I'm pretty well sold on the dyneema. You will have to get good at making a locked brummel splice. This alone could be enough for some people to look to a professional. Make sure you have enough extra length to practice with. If you decide to stay with traditiinal rigging, Suncor does great swageless fittings that they call quick-attach. They are easy, quick, and reusable. Just use the uncoated wire rope. They have a complete kit for ~$150 but it comes with coated wire. Most of the marine industy recognizes that the coating traps moisture and eliminates oxygen exposure causing the SS to not be so stainless. The coating also prevents inspection. Without coating fish hooks are more likely. That and the weight make dyneema my choice. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 11, 2014 7:59 PM, M Bod via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure and leave room for more stretch. Joel On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
I did the Amsteel 1/4 lines. At first I used a fid I made from a large hollow darning needle, but later learned to use a simpler coat hanger to pull the end through. I followed Samson's method to taper the end and measured the bury to about 22 I think. They give you fid lengths that equate to that length for 1/4 line. I made luggage tag eyes in either end of line. http://www.samsonrope.com/Documents/Splice%20Instructions/12Strand_C2_Eye%20Splice_JUL2012_WEB.pdf I reused my turnbuckles and replaced the swaged ends w eyes from Johnson. I wound up w turnbuckles at one end of each line and the Gate Pelican hooks too. But if I ever redo them, I'll emilinate turnbuckles and rely on the pelican hooks for final tension. To pull the line through the stanchion eye, use a small 1/8 inch braided line about a foot long. Put a loop of small line through the eye of amsteel, then insert the two ends of small line through the stanchion hole and pull it through to the other side, pulling the Amsteel eye after. This method is so easy, you can remove the lifelines in winter to double the life. The coiled lines can be labelled and fit easily into a plastic shopping bag and stored inside the boat. Lastly, get your tension right before stitching locking stitches into each eye, so they don't slip when slackened. - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: M Bod drbod...@accesswave.ca, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 8:38:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure and leave room for more stretch. Joel On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system
I put shroud covers over the lines where the jib crosses the lifeline to protect the sails. Joel On Friday, July 11, 2014, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I did the Amsteel 1/4 lines. At first I used a fid I made from a large hollow darning needle, but later learned to use a simpler coat hanger to pull the end through. I followed Samson's method to taper the end and measured the bury to about 22 I think. They give you fid lengths that equate to that length for 1/4 line. I made luggage tag eyes in either end of line. http://www.samsonrope.com/Documents/Splice%20Instructions/12Strand_C2_Eye%20Splice_JUL2012_WEB.pdf I reused my turnbuckles and replaced the swaged ends w eyes from Johnson. I wound up w turnbuckles at one end of each line and the Gate Pelican hooks too. But if I ever redo them, I'll emilinate turnbuckles and rely on the pelican hooks for final tension. To pull the line through the stanchion eye, use a small 1/8 inch braided line about a foot long. Put a loop of small line through the eye of amsteel, then insert the two ends of small line through the stanchion hole and pull it through to the other side, pulling the Amsteel eye after. This method is so easy, you can remove the lifelines in winter to double the life. The coiled lines can be labelled and fit easily into a plastic shopping bag and stored inside the boat. Lastly, get your tension right before stitching locking stitches into each eye, so they don't slip when slackened. -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *To: *M Bod drbod...@accesswave.ca javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','drbod...@accesswave.ca');, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Sent: *Friday, July 11, 2014 8:38:35 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system Yes. Used those hooks too. You need to tension the line before you measure and leave room for more stretch. Joel On Friday, July 11, 2014, M Bod via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high tech line. http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. But would there be other issues? Chafe on sails? Chafe at stantions? Hard to adjust length? My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. Thoughts? Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft
You are welcome to use my mooring if I am not on it. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I j...@dellabarba.com From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:20 PM To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends. My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing close to Broad Creek. We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard CC, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky. OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM To: j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft I agree Joe. That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3 draft, most places 12 to 18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too shallow for us. Can't change that. I respect your choice but prefer mine for me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs. It's good they make different flavors. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps Narrows, etc…. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM To: j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com ; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore. A keel a foot deeper can lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, when racing. Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing. A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off. The old Navy Luders Yawls drew 8ft. The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'. There are a few TP52s at Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft. Just sayin. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be marginal at best. I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some credit if you sent them the lead you removed. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
