Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

How about those heat shrink tubes over the line at the stanchions?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Sat, 7/12/14, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Stanchion inserts
 To: "CnClist" 
 Date: Saturday, July 12, 2014, 12:59 PM
 
 Speaking of making sure the holes
 in the stanchions are smooth so the lifelines don't get
 chafed, anybody know where to get those little plastic
 inserts or come up with a good solution for this?  Like
 flared SS tubing, etc.?
 
 
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
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Re: Stus-List Help (volume 2) Terrible Ordeal really

[coltrek via CnC-List]

I would say so!

Wild Bill

 Original message From: Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List  Date:07/12/2014  1:04 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Wally Bryant , 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Help (volume 2) 
Terrible Ordeal really 
Perhaps I should revise my comment about mental health :)
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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> On Jul 12, 2014, at 12:48, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> We had atypicallightning storm the other night rolling down from the 
> mountains. Lightning and thunder every two or three seconds, and pouring 
> rain. After making sure the boat was secure, I fell dozed off on the port 
> bench with a book, and with my head two feet from the keel stepped mast. 
> Suddenly there was an incredible flash of lightning with a simultaneous crash 
> of 90db thunder, and I literally levitated.
> 
> I felt really odd, but shook it off and decided to go check out the boat. The 
> boat was okay, so I wandered down the dock checking out other boats to make 
> sure they were okay.  Then I crashed through the gate and headed up to 
> thesmall village to make sure it was okay.
> 
> I'm used to having dogsbark at me, because I'm a gringo and I look different. 
>  But now, I seem to be seven feet tall and my skin has turned an odd shade of 
> green.  The biggest problem is that I can't stop waving my arms around when I 
> walk.  I need to get out of town quickly, because people are chasing me with 
> torches.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've seen people whip short pieces of Dacron line cover where the lines go
through the stanchion.
Joel

On Saturday, July 12, 2014, jtsails via CnC-List 
wrote:

>  I think I saw them in the CS Johnson catalog, but have no idea where to
> buy them from.
> James
> Delaney
> 1976 C&C 38
> Oriental, NC
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List
> 
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:59 PM
> *Subject:* Stus-List Stanchion inserts
>
>   Speaking of making sure the holes in the stanchions are smooth so the
> lifelines don't get chafed, anybody know where to get those little plastic
> inserts or come up with a good solution for this?  Like flared SS tubing,
> etc.?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List dual ownership?

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I Co-Own The East Coast Lady.  It was not a hard choice for me. I would
never be able to keep my boat at the marina as I do now, with the $ help of
a partner. My sailing partner is 10 or 12  years older than me and my wife.
This works out for the older couple now. We can only sail on the weekends
and vacations. They can sail every day. 10 years from when we retire, we
will be sailing all the time and  partner will be tired and only want to
sail once in a while. The boat is mine on paper and will remain so. The
deal to the partner is we split the operational cost, up-fit cost,
Maintenance fuel fees dockage, haul-out fees, etc. etc. you own the boat
and share the rest. Work out sailing times. It has worked great for us and
to be quite frank the 2 of us don't use it enough. Just make sure you
explain going into the relationship the the deal has nothing to do wioth
ownership. Its only usage. Make sure they are as anal as you on the
cleaning of the bottom and the bird poop on top. Make sure you like them
cause you will find your self sailing with him more than you think.  Have
fun... Like I said it works great for us.



On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> has any one tried shared ownership of sailboat?  have owned & operated  my
> cnc 41 for 40 years..am finding not using enough..but do not wish to sell
> her...younger co owners as well as us in 70s...could work something out..to
> mutual benefitboat in good shape needs very little   other than
> marina&insurance costs..would this be good way for younger couple to get
> into larger boatany ideas are welcome...boat currently west coast ...
>
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts

[jtsails via CnC-List]

I think I saw them in the CS Johnson catalog, but have no idea where to buy 
them from.
James
Delaney
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
  To: CnClist 
  Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 1:59 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Stanchion inserts


  Speaking of making sure the holes in the stanchions are smooth so the 
lifelines don't get chafed, anybody know where to get those little plastic 
inserts or come up with a good solution for this?  Like flared SS tubing, etc.?


  Dennis C.

  Touche' 35-1 #83

  Mandeville, LA



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Stus-List dual ownership?

[Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List]

has any one tried shared ownership of sailboat?  have owned & operated  my
cnc 41 for 40 years..am finding not using enough..but do not wish to sell
her...younger co owners as well as us in 70s...could work something out..to
mutual benefitboat in good shape needs very little   other than
marina&insurance costs..would this be good way for younger couple to get
into larger boatany ideas are welcome...boat currently west coast ...
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion inserts

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis,

I made tapered S/S stanchions, using sched 40 
pipe, on a previous boat and formed chafe inserts out of copper tubing.


I flared one end with a tool, cut to length, 
insert in stanchion hole and flare other end with 
a centre punch (you may have to use a center 
punch though :), then peen both ends over a bit so it looks good.
This was done with stanchion removed.. actually 
not installed yet. You might be able to do it in 
place if a partner backed up the punch flare & 
peening steps with a heavy weight on the other end.


I cannot attest to the longevity of wire chafe 
resistance as I sold the boat about six or more 
years later. Uncoated wire was used.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35-1

At 10:59 AM 12/07/2014, you wrote:
Speaking of making sure the holes in the 
stanchions are smooth so the lifelines don't get 
chafed, anybody know where to get those little 
plastic inserts or come up with a good solution 
for this?  Like flared SS tubing, etc.?


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Stanchion inserts

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Speaking of making sure the holes in the stanchions are smooth so the
lifelines don't get chafed, anybody know where to get those little plastic
inserts or come up with a good solution for this?  Like flared SS tubing,
etc.?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List binnacle light

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Voltage. Bought new light thinking that was the problem but checked voltage
first.

Thanks

On Saturday, July 12, 2014, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You need to fix the light. An external light will have all kinds of
> reflections. The wire is prone to chafe on the steering cables and where it
> goes into the compass. It is pretty much a trace it back to the start from
> the compass end and see what the problem is operation. Dumb question – did
> you measure the voltage or is there a chance the bulb died?
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com 
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Subject:* Stus-List binnacle light
>
>
>
> There is no power to my binnacle light.  I've tried every breaker and
> switch.  No luck.
>
>  I can either trace the wiring back to the breaker or put a red LED in the
> navpod above the compass.
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>


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Re: Stus-List binnacle light

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

Joel

Check the wiring diagram supplied in your C&C  Manual. On my 1986 C&C 41 CB,  
the Binnacle light is separately fused with an in-line fuse. The fuse is in 
series with the binnacle on/off switch located outside in the cockpit on the 
engine instrument panel. The fuse is behind the the panel and is part of the 
wiring harness. Remove the panel and check the switch and the fuse. The switch 
is not well sealed, and I’ve had to replace the switch and/or the fuse from 
time to time.
You may also note that the engine room blower switch is also in the same area, 
and similarly fused.

Good luck

Don Wagner
C&C 41 CB
Der Baron
West River , MD

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List binnacle light

There is no power to my binnacle light.  I've tried every breaker and switch.  
No luck. 
I can either trace the wiring back to the breaker or put a red LED in the 
navpod above the compass.  
Suggestions?


-- 
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301 541 8551




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Re: Stus-List Help (volume 2) Terrible Ordeal really

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Perhaps I should revise my comment about mental health :)
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Jul 12, 2014, at 12:48, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> We had atypicallightning storm the other night rolling down from the 
> mountains. Lightning and thunder every two or three seconds, and pouring 
> rain. After making sure the boat was secure, I fell dozed off on the port 
> bench with a book, and with my head two feet from the keel stepped mast. 
> Suddenly there was an incredible flash of lightning with a simultaneous crash 
> of 90db thunder, and I literally levitated.
> 
> I felt really odd, but shook it off and decided to go check out the boat. The 
> boat was okay, so I wandered down the dock checking out other boats to make 
> sure they were okay.  Then I crashed through the gate and headed up to 
> thesmall village to make sure it was okay.
> 
> I'm used to having dogsbark at me, because I'm a gringo and I look different. 
>  But now, I seem to be seven feet tall and my skin has turned an odd shade of 
> green.  The biggest problem is that I can't stop waving my arms around when I 
> walk.  I need to get out of town quickly, because people are chasing me with 
> torches.
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Stus-List Help (volume 2) Terrible Ordeal really

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

We had atypicallightning storm the other night rolling down from the 
mountains. Lightning and thunder every two or three seconds, and pouring 
rain. After making sure the boat was secure, I fell dozed off on the 
port bench with a book, and with my head two feet from the keel stepped 
mast. Suddenly there was an incredible flash of lightning with a 
simultaneous crash of 90db thunder, and I literally levitated.


I felt really odd, but shook it off and decided to go check out the 
boat. The boat was okay, so I wandered down the dock checking out other 
boats to make sure they were okay.  Then I crashed through the gate and 
headed up to thesmall village to make sure it was okay.


I'm used to having dogsbark at me, because I'm a gringo and I look 
different.  But now, I seem to be seven feet tall and my skin has turned 
an odd shade of green.  The biggest problem is that I can't stop waving 
my arms around when I walk.  I need to get out of town quickly, because 
people are chasing me with torches.


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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

If I were to replace my lifelines today I'd go with Dyneema.  I have one 
piece of 1/8" Amsteel that I use to lash down the shank of my anchor. 
It's been tied to the pulpit base for six years now, and is the most 
heavily abused piece of rope on the boat.  It sits in the Mexican sun 
24x7, and the rusty anchor chain often runs over it when 
raising/lowering the hook.  When securing the anchor I wrap it around 
the pulpit and shank, and pull it hard to get it good and tight, so the 
rope is pulled over the rust and barnacles on the anchor.  I thought 
about replacing it this year because it's getting ugly, but didn't 
because I think it's in good shape.


I've never really evaluated the cost.  If bare SS lifelines last 15 
years or more, how much would it cost to replace the Dyneema five times. 
 (Personally, I think every three years is excessive, but it depends on 
how you use your boat.)


Locked Brummel splices are easy and fun.  I just replaced the wire 
harness for my radar reflector with itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeney Dyneema, 
because the four of the six wires were broken from wiggling around in 
the breeze, and learned to do 12 of those eyes.  No problems.  I'll bet 
the Dyneema lasts longer than the wire did.


I'd make sure your stanchions have welded and polished holes for the 
lifelines, and not just drilled holes with sharp edges.


Wal

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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

From the comments, it seems we're all pretty happy with what we have. That 
sounds suspiciously mentally-healthy for this bunch!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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Newport, RI 
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> On Jul 12, 2014, at 12:13, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some of it is a chicken-and-egg thing. The last time we had a boat that drew 
> less than 5 feet was around 1973, so I have very little memory of anchoring 
> in places 4 feet deep. If you always had a 7 foot draft boat then you never 
> went anyplace 6 feet deep. If you change from shallow to deep then you 
> suddenly can’t go places that you are used to going.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Some of it is a chicken-and-egg thing. The last time we had a boat that drew 
less than 5 feet was around 1973, so I have very little memory of anchoring in 
places 4 feet deep. If you always had a 7 foot draft boat then you never went 
anyplace 6 feet deep. If you change from shallow to deep then you suddenly 
can’t go places that you are used to going.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List binnacle light

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

You need to fix the light. An external light will have all kinds of 
reflections. The wire is prone to chafe on the steering cables and where it 
goes into the compass. It is pretty much a trace it back to the start from the 
compass end and see what the problem is operation. Dumb question – did you 
measure the voltage or is there a chance the bulb died?

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List binnacle light

 

There is no power to my binnacle light.  I've tried every breaker and switch.  
No luck.

 I can either trace the wiring back to the breaker or put a red LED in the 
navpod above the compass.  

Suggestions?



-- 
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301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats? (now: Keel draft...)

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

A few months ago I spoke with some cruisers headed north after a winter in the 
Bahamas ( not their first trip, either) in a Director 65 drawing 6'6".

I asked them about access because of the deep draft.

Theory old me that 20-25% of the destination/anchorages were not a problem, 
40-50 % could usually be accessed at high tide with a deeper anchorage spot 
available, and the remainder were just not access able.

Do you pick where and when you go, get good at interpreting tide tables, and 
take some longer dinghy rides if you have a deeper draft boat.

Rick Brass

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> On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:17, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Draft and draft limitations are interesting markers for some. To me there is 
> no right or wrong, just comfort level. Or slip depth…
> 
> We have acquaintances in the Annapolis area who regularly cruised the Bahamas 
> with one of the original C&C 40’s with it’s deep draft. They had no problems 
> and when they decided to sell the 40 and move up, they bought a Swan 47. ~7.5 
> feet of draft. They still spend their winters in the Bahamas having a good 
> time.
> 
> I come at it from the other end of the spectrum. I’ll take as much keel as I 
> can reasonable get away with. The 37 has 6’ 8” and I’ve never had a problem 
> with it (oh yes, I have run aground many times.  ;-)  ) on the Bay and plan 
> on using it in the Bahamas. I just enjoy the sailing characteristics of and 
> am comfortable with lots of keel underneath me.
> 
> I’m also lucky that even in conditions that blow the water out of the Bay so 
> much that the fish are flopping around, that my boat is still floating.
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
>> marginal at best.
>> I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the 
>> keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to 
>> spec. At least back then the cost of doing this was well made up by the 
>> increased value of the boat for the Chesapeake and Mars would give you some 
>> credit if you sent them the lead you removed.
>>  
>> Joe Della Barba
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
>> Aronson via CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:30 AM
>> To: Stevan Plavsa; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>  
>> Steve,
>>  
>> As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I 
>> would not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise 
>> the Bahamas.
>>  
>> Joel
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and 
>> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>>  
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
>> Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay 
>> for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his 
>> mooring is in rather slim water.
>>  
>> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, 
>> not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go for 
>> low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and decided 
>> he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>>  
>> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks 
>> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the 
>> small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 
>> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have 
>> another project?
>>  
>> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
>> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no self 
>> tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>>  
>> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
>> feet is a non-starter around here.
>>  
>> Gary
>> still happy with the 30-1
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
>> Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>  
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>>  
>> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
>> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 
>> engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I 
>> had an MG Midget and all I have to say to th

Stus-List binnacle light

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

There is no power to my binnacle light.  I've tried every breaker and
switch.  No luck.
 I can either trace the wiring back to the breaker or put a red LED in the
navpod above the compass.
Suggestions?


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Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Or you could do what I did. The 6'1" draft of my 38 was impractical for the 
Carolina Sounds, the ICW, and the Bahamas. So I called Mars Metals (who cast 
the original keels for most of our boats) and had them make me a torpedo bulb 
to replace the bottom 10" of keel.

For about $4k installed, I now have the draft of a J30 and can still point to 
under 30 degrees apparent.

Plus PHRF gave me 3 seconds because of the presumed loss of performance.

Rick Brass

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> On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> As much as I love my 35/3, the 40 is a lot more boat for less money!  I would 
> not let another 6 inches of draft stop me unless I planned to cruise the 
> Bahamas.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> There was another 40 in CT that was asking 29k recently. Same tall rig and 
>> deep draft. It's gone. There are lots of these.
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I sometimes pick up donated boats for the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum. 
>>> Another volunteer and I just sailed an early '80's O'Day 30 across the Bay 
>>> for the program. He was interested, because it has a centerboard and his 
>>> mooring is in rather slim water.
>>>  
>>> His thoughts were: Old gear, old upholstery, only two self tailing winches, 
>>> not four.. old instruments, etc. the boat was attractive and will go 
>>> for low dollars. He was counting up the dollars to make it perfect and 
>>> decided he wanted a boat with fewer issues to deal with.
>>>  
>>> I think these boats sit around for a long time because there are few folks 
>>> like many on this list who are knowledgeable enough to look through the 
>>> small faults and make an offer. My friend is skilled, but still wanted the 
>>> 'perfect' boat with few issues for low money. Maybe he didn't want to have 
>>> another project?
>>>  
>>> On the first one, the hailing port is interesting, as the boat is now in 
>>> Maryland. The engine is small and has a lot of hours (almost 2000?), no 
>>> self tailing winches, old (really) Moor instruments (if it breaks, buy new).
>>>  
>>> The other one looks better, is a lot more money for an old boat - and seven 
>>> feet is a non-starter around here.
>>>  
>>> Gary
>>> still happy with the 30-1
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:55 PM
>>> Subject: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?
>>> 
>>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/C%26C-MK-II-2367894/Cambridge/MD/United-States
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This looks like a nice MK II and has been for sale for a long time.
>>> My guess is the sticking point is the engine. It has a Westebeke 4-60 
>>> engine, which is a 15 HP diesel derived from a 984 cc MG Midget engine. I 
>>> had an MG Midget and all I have to say to that is Yikes! It may run fine, 
>>> but AFAIK parts are nonexistent for it, so when it breaks it is dead 
>>> forever. Also 15 HP is not exactly overpowered for a 35 foot boat.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979/C%26C-40-2647391/Branford/CT/United-States
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The boat sounds and looks decent in the ad. Only things I can see is 
>>> apparently there is no canvas and the 7 foot draft. That boat would be 
>>> trapped in my slip except at high tide.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Joe Della Barba
>>> 
>>> Coquina
>>> 
>>> C&C 35 MK I
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Mike,
I think you missed my sarcasm ."hopefully there is more than one 
flight out of Kiev"


Rob


On 2014/07/11 11:31 AM, Fair, Mike wrote:


If 'John' was stuck in Nigeria would you send him money?

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*Robert Abbott via CnC-List

*Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 10:07 AM
*To:* john.irv...@hotmail.com; JOHN D IRVIN; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Terrible Ordeal(HELP)!!! John Irvin

Which John Irvinn or John Irvin am I talking to?

John, where are your family and friends?

And hopefully there is more than one flight out of Kiev.




On 2014/07/11 8:11 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List wrote:

I hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Kiev, Ukraine and
had my bag stolen from me with my passport and personal effects
therein. The embassy has just issued me a temporary passport but I
have to pay for a ticket and settle my hotel bills with the
Manager.I have made contact with my bank but it would take me 3-5
working days to access funds in my account, the bad news is my
flight will be leaving very soon but i am having problems settling
the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let me leave until i
settle the bills, I need your help/LOAN financially and i promise
to make the refund once i get back home, you are my last resort
and hope, Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you
to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you.


Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Amsteel Lifelines: 
I like how the amsteel is hard as steel when taught and when you unclip the 
gate pelican hook, the line is soft. No fish hooks and easy to replace. Easy to 
remove and store each winter if you want to protect from UVs and increase the 
life. I used Samson's simple taper and bury method of splicing. I found grey 
thread for the lockstitch, but ended up using black whipping twine, so I can 
prove it is done and find it in future. There are 4" round shackle guards on 
the top life line in front of the forward stanchions to help the genoa roll 
over the lifeline and I don't see any wear there. The stuff is very tuff. 

Sailing; We keep the lifelines taught and if the genoa is caught on the 
lifeline after a tack, we tension the sheet, and then tap the lifeline in the 
cockpit and the foot of the sail rolls over, inside the line. 

Now the weaklink in our system is the stanchion bases which offer some play. 
The deck has some flex and the hole in the bases have ovalled enough I'm 
contemplating filling the void with an epoxy or hard UV resistant caulk? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "M Bod" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:35:21 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system 

Recently replaced my old lifelines with Amsteel and really like them. CS 
Johnson has a new style of fitting that is very nice, 
http://www.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/p/00014.jpg . 
Did all the splices myself following the Samson recommendations and am very 
pleased with the result. 
James 
S/V Delaney 
1976 C&C 38 
Oriental, NC 

- Original Message - 
From: "M Bod via CnC-List"  
To: "C&C list"  
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:59 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system 


> Anyone try dynemma for lifelines? 
> I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high 
> tech line. 
> 
> http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html
>  
> 
> Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed. 
> But would there be other issues? 
> Chafe on sails? 
> Chafe at stantions? 
> Hard to adjust length? 
> 
> My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. 
> Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> Mark 
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Re: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system

[jtsails via CnC-List]

Recently replaced my old lifelines with Amsteel and really like them. CS 
Johnson has a new style of fitting that is very nice, 
http://www.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/p/00014.jpg .
Did all the splices myself following the Samson recommendations and am very 
pleased with the result.

James
S/V Delaney
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC

- Original Message - 
From: "M Bod via CnC-List" 

To: "C&C list" 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:59 PM
Subject: Stus-List Dyneema lifelines -- was Re: Swageless lifeline system



Anyone try dynemma for lifelines?
I found at least one source for lifeline hardware with eye ends for high 
tech line.


http://www.downwindmarine.com/Johnson-Over-Center-Pelican-Gate-Hook-with-Eye-p-91000377.html

Seems like it would be easy to install and replace as needed.
But would there be other issues?
Chafe on sails?
Chafe at stantions?
Hard to adjust length?

My lifelines will need a replacement in the next year or 2. At minimum. 
Not sure where I would get new swaged lifelines locally.


Thoughts?

Mark
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Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

[jtsails via CnC-List]

Recently replaced my old lifelines with Amsteel and really like them. CS 
Johnson has a new style of fitting that is very nice, 
http://www.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/p/00014.jpg .
Did all the splices myself following the Samson recommendations and am very 
pleased with the result.
James
S/V Delaney
1976 C&C 38
Oriental, NC
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
  To: 'CNC boat owners, cnc-list' 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:11 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft


  You are welcome to use my mooring if I am not on it.

   

  Joe Della Barba

  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I

  j...@dellabarba.com

  From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:20 PM
  To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

   

  Gotta visit Corsica River one of these weekends.

  My crew seems more focused on anchoring out, swims, kayaking, and sightseeing 
close to Broad Creek.

  We will explore more as we get used to this new to us way of cruising.

   

   

  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

   


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  From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
  To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:41:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Shallows and deep draft

   

  Coquina was not purchased because we needed the shallow draft, she was 
purchased because the previous owners moved to Barnaget Bay and had only about 
4 feet at their dock. They bought a centerboard C&C, a Corvette IIRC. Coquina 
spent 12 years on the Magothy and then another 12 on the Severn before coming 
to the Shore. Your boat would be able to use our marina about 2/3s of the time 
this year. I think anything except right at low tide would work. Some years 
when the dredging is late we cannot get out at normal low tide. This year it 
has to be a NorthWester to be too shallow. This year I can use Kent Narrows 
again. Last year anything over 4 feet was very risky.

  OTOH 9 feet would be fine at my mooring, but that is a half hour drive 
upstream and then 12 miles back downstream to get back out.

   

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

  Coquina C&C 35 MK I

  From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 4:11 PM
  To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Shallows and deep draft

   

  I agree Joe.  

  That's why Magothy is heaven for my me and our 6'3" draft, most places 12 to 
18 ft and from my perspective, my boat is fine, your side of the bay is too 
shallow for us.  Can't change that.  I respect your choice but prefer mine for 
me and not trying to convince anyone to change theirs.  It's good they make 
different flavors.  

   

   

  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

   


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  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:02:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  None of those boats could get close to my slip nor go many of the places I 
go. They would be aground in my slip, aground in the marina channel, aground in 
Swan Creek, aground in Kent Narrows, aground in Fog Cove, aground in Knapps 
Narrows, etc….

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

   

  Coquina

  C&C 35 MK I

   

   

  From: Chuck S [mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:39 AM
  To: j...@dellabarba.com; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  FWIW, I notice deeper water exists on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake, 
while shallower waters are on the Eastern Shore.  A keel a foot deeper can 
lighten a 35ft boat by 1000 pounds which plays a bigger role in lighter winds, 
when racing.  Light displacement is not so important where it's windy or if 
you're motoring to gunkhole destinations more than sailing.  

   

  A deep fin protects the rudder, is shorter and thinner, and when you run 
aground, you slimply motor back out or spin her off.  The old Navy Luders Yawls 
drew 8ft.  The newer Navy 44 by Pedrick draw 7.25'.  There are a few TP52s at 
Bert Jabin's yard that draw 10 or 12ft.  Just sayin.

   

  Chuck
  Resolute
  1990 C&C 34R
  Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

   


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  Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:40:49 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List what is wrong with these boats?

   

  7 foot draft would make the boat totally useless to me. 6 feet would be 
marginal at best.

  I knew someone with a deep draft 40 and they chain-sawed the bottom of the 
keel off and bolted on a bulb from Mars Metal to bring the weight back to spec. 
At least back then the cost of