Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports
Paul - I'm pretty sure the two short ones support the sole in the aft cabin. The long ones are the main cabin. You can see mine on this page: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/instruments/gplane/index.htm You can see the short ones on this page: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/gtackle/winwire/index.htm Sorry if it doesn't display well. The old HTML is obsolete and I need to go back and rework just about all the pages on my site. Wal you wrote: I have two short (~2' long) but otherwise identical to the other sole supports which were given to me in a box with other components. I have tried to locate where these short supports go, but I cannot find the location where they belong. -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast Crane Replacement ideas, Pictures and comments Requested
Why not pull the masts with the boat in the water? Crane does not have to be as high nor does the lift From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of D Harben via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 8:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast Crane Replacement ideas,Pictures and comments Requested Hi, While we are chatting about annual mast pulling our club Is looking at a replacement for our mast crane. We are looking for a design example/picture that is about 15' higher then most. We haul out boats out on a marine railing with our cradle on it. The masts are pulled on dry land while the boat is on the railway. Descriptions, observations and pictures are appreciated! Don Harben sailadventures at gmail www.ncyc.ca ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans ( sort of )
Since we had an amazing trip up the River on Saturday running with the wind for 4 hours, a great dinner, party at another club, walk the town and a great breakfast, why beat into 14knts on the nose trying to make our way back down the narrow river home? We'll just motor through the narrows, drop the hook for lunch and then sail the rest of the way ! About 2 hours into the trip, she says Why do I smell exhaust? Probably a wind eddy as we are passing 30 feet from a highway bridge abutment. Not believing myself, and noticing a change in the exhaust note, I pulled the companion way steps to have a look. Smoke, steam and water spraying all over the place. In a surprisingly calm voice, she asks Do we have a fire ? No, just a broken exhaust. What will we do ? We are after all a sailboat, we'll sail ! Raised the sails, and beat the rest of the trip in short tacks home, where several friendly members at our club were at the slip to help us in. First time I sailed into the slip. Nice smooth landing, all well. Now the point of the post: Yanmar SB 8 single. Is the exhaust just black pipe wrapped with fiberglass tape ? It appears to be nothing more. I don't know what may have been done to her before I got her, but it looks like a bushing, 3 inch nipple, 90, 3 inch nipple, 90, 1 1/2 inch nipple, y adapter for water outlet from top of engine, copper male to sweat fitting that is clamped into exhaust hose to muffler. May be slightly different as it was kind of dark last night while I was in there. Also any wisdom on getting the old pipe out of the top of the engine ? Thanks, Allen Windfall '78 CC 26 Poughkeepsie Yacht Club Hudson River - Hyde Park, NY --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans ( sort of )
I think you are right. Black pipe wrapped. There may have been an (expensive) Yanmar mixing elbow in the mix originally, but you should have a flange bolted to the exhaust manifold (I am speaking about my 2 cyl Yanmar) which has threads for the pipe and is removed with four bolts. I have gone through two broken 'mixing elbows' over the last 20 years. The rest is available from a home improvement store. The 'elbow' has to be welded. The fiberglass/asbestos(?) tape is available from Moyer Marine, the Atomic 4 specialists. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: Allen White via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans ( sort of ) Since we had an amazing trip up the River on Saturday running with the wind for 4 hours, a great dinner, party at another club, walk the town and a great breakfast, why beat into 14knts on the nose trying to make our way back down the narrow river home? We'll just motor through the narrows, drop the hook for lunch and then sail the rest of the way ! About 2 hours into the trip, she says Why do I smell exhaust? Probably a wind eddy as we are passing 30 feet from a highway bridge abutment. Not believing myself, and noticing a change in the exhaust note, I pulled the companion way steps to have a look. Smoke, steam and water spraying all over the place. In a surprisingly calm voice, she asks Do we have a fire ? No, just a broken exhaust. What will we do ? We are after all a sailboat, we'll sail ! Raised the sails, and beat the rest of the trip in short tacks home, where several friendly members at our club were at the slip to help us in. First time I sailed into the slip. Nice smooth landing, all well. Now the point of the post: Yanmar SB 8 single. Is the exhaust just black pipe wrapped with fiberglass tape ? It appears to be nothing more. I don't know what may have been done to her before I got her, but it looks like a bushing, 3 inch nipple, 90, 3 inch nipple, 90, 1 1/2 inch nipple, y adapter for water outlet from top of engine, copper male to sweat fitting that is clamped into exhaust hose to muffler. May be slightly different as it was kind of dark last night while I was in there. Also any wisdom on getting the old pipe out of the top of the engine ? Thanks, Allen Windfall '78 CC 26 Poughkeepsie Yacht Club Hudson River - Hyde Park, NY --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks Best regards, Curtis CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina cpt.b...@gmail.com __/) . -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
The hatch is the easier job. Yes, the gasket is replaceable. There are a couple sizes ranging from 3/8 to 5/8. Some of us have used weatherstripping, some have bought foam from McMaster/Carr. The lense is 3/8 or 1/2 inch plexi. I decided to buy the plexi and a router rather than pay to have it cut to size and shape for the same total price. I used Dow 795 (which can also be used for the windows despite Gary's admonition, but we have beat that dead horse enough times). Gary is right about chipping the gelcoat. Be sure to tape all of the areas inside and out where adhesive might ooze! Makes cleanup a lot easier. Also, where rubber gloves. Joel On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Thanks, Joel. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The hatch is the easier job. Yes, the gasket is replaceable. There are a couple sizes ranging from 3/8 to 5/8. Some of us have used weatherstripping, some have bought foam from McMaster/Carr. The lense is 3/8 or 1/2 inch plexi. I decided to buy the plexi and a router rather than pay to have it cut to size and shape for the same total price. I used Dow 795 (which can also be used for the windows despite Gary's admonition, but we have beat that dead horse enough times). Gary is right about chipping the gelcoat. Be sure to tape all of the areas inside and out where adhesive might ooze! Makes cleanup a lot easier. Also, where rubber gloves. Joel On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
I usually leave my mast in the boat. It does need to be pulled every few years to properly inspect the rigging. My boat does fine on the jack stands here in Bristol, RI. However, a couple of years ago, during a near-miss hurricane a very large boat with a ~70’ mast and in-mast furling blew over. It rolled into another boat. Fortunately a wide fishing boat stopped the domino effect. One thing that I do is to remove the halyards and topping lift. I replace them with messenger lines and wash them. My rigger told me this would effectively double the useful life of the lines. The only issue I’ve had leaving the mast in the boat is water coming down the mast. A rag in the luff track, above the shrink wrap, stops much of it. I also put anti-freeze in the bilge. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Hoyt, Mike [mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said
Stus-List 2014 Northeast Rendezvous
Fellow CC'ers. Amazing, we pulled off three in a row! Mystic, Block Island, Newport, all fantastic locations and next year we head west into central Long Island Sound. For those of you New Englanders who didn't make it, I encourage you to get there next year. Bring your boat, it's worth the trip. I think for all of us who sail in, it is becoming one of the high lights of the season and a final cruise as we wind down into fall sailing. Charley, you did a great job keeping us fed and watered, although most never did touch the bottled water. We had more than enough grub and grog to keep everyone happy for two evenings! For the weekend of Sept. 19, you were the hardest working man in show biz. Andrew, sorry we missed you and thanks for all your hard work getting the ball rolling. Dave, got things organized on the dock, handled the behind the scenes aggravation and proved. yet again, to be an excellent dancer (this time we have us on video and you probably don't even remember). CC Yachts/US Watercraft really came through for us, I mean what could be better than getting two brand new CC Yachts, a fascinating guest speaker, and picking up our tab for the dockside food and drink? I'm so impressed I'm almost starting to like the new logo! Special thanks to the CC Crew that brought the boats over and took people out sailing. Mohegan Sun, thanks for the tchotchkes. Good Old Boat Magazine, thanks for the latest issues. Sailing Magazine, thanks for stopping by, we look forward to the photos. Thanks to Stu for keeping up the website and email list. For everyone who made it by land or sea, without YOU there would be no Rendezvous. That is what makes it all possible. I encourage all of you to take a moment of your time and shoot a quick thank you email to: ka...@goodoldboat.com toak...@mohegansun.com https://mail.mohegansun.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=xqxh98ZvNE-VN4cEowqXaZPMiycMqtEIqNeQAoqimSgLXeO3LIdYA_I8APkixfDDYdE_fgBrAcs.URL=mailto%3atoakley%40mohegansun.com sang...@uswatercraft.com s...@pubmgroup.com Thanks to anyone I missed, you know who you are! Edd, stand by to energize... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
If you go the Plexus route, you will be redoing the windows every several years--the flexing of the boat breaks the adhesive loose and then it leaks again. If you plan to keep your boat for some time, you can make a permanent window upgrade like I did (with stainless steel frames) on my Landfall 38. Refer to my blogpost dated December 24, 2013... Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2014 Northeast Rendezvous
I'm very sorry I missed it this year - scotch and cigars were the final straw. Let me know if I can assist with organization for next year in Central / Western LIS. Congratulations on what sounds like a great event! Tim CC 35-3 Mojito Branford, CT On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Fellow CC'ers. Amazing, we pulled off three in a row! Mystic, Block Island, Newport, all fantastic locations and next year we head west into central Long Island Sound. For those of you New Englanders who didn't make it, I encourage you to get there next year. Bring your boat, it's worth the trip. I think for all of us who sail in, it is becoming one of the high lights of the season and a final cruise as we wind down into fall sailing. Charley, you did a great job keeping us fed and watered, although most never did touch the bottled water. We had more than enough grub and grog to keep everyone happy for two evenings! For the weekend of Sept. 19, you were the hardest working man in show biz. Andrew, sorry we missed you and thanks for all your hard work getting the ball rolling. Dave, got things organized on the dock, handled the behind the scenes aggravation and proved. yet again, to be an excellent dancer (this time we have us on video and you probably don't even remember). CC Yachts/US Watercraft really came through for us, I mean what could be better than getting two brand new CC Yachts, a fascinating guest speaker, and picking up our tab for the dockside food and drink? I'm so impressed I'm almost starting to like the new logo! Special thanks to the CC Crew that brought the boats over and took people out sailing. Mohegan Sun, thanks for the tchotchkes. Good Old Boat Magazine, thanks for the latest issues. Sailing Magazine, thanks for stopping by, we look forward to the photos. Thanks to Stu for keeping up the website and email list. For everyone who made it by land or sea, without YOU there would be no Rendezvous. That is what makes it all possible. I encourage all of you to take a moment of your time and shoot a quick thank you email to: ka...@goodoldboat.com toak...@mohegansun.com https://mail.mohegansun.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=xqxh98ZvNE-VN4cEowqXaZPMiycMqtEIqNeQAoqimSgLXeO3LIdYA_I8APkixfDDYdE_fgBrAcs.URL=mailto%3atoakley%40mohegansun.com sang...@uswatercraft.com s...@pubmgroup.com Thanks to anyone I missed, you know who you are! Edd, stand by to energize... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC Northeast Rendezvous 2015
Listers, With the paint barely dry on the 2014 Northeast Rendezvous, I’d like to start planning the 2015 event. As I’ve mentioned, with the 2012 event in Mystic, the 2013 event at Block Island and with the 2014 event in Newport, I think we need to move the group into LI Sound before we end up in Maine, Greenland or the UK. Please take a minute or two and fill out this survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9L7SD97 Personally, I think a place with slips and a wealth of amenities (rec area, pool, showers, restaurant) would be a preference, but if you have other thoughts, I’d like to hear them. I have a pretty good idea in my head on what I’d like the rendezvous to be, but, as I tell my race crew: I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt. If you wish to volunteer to help, I will be happy to take you up on it. Finally, a big thank you to all those who have worked so hard to make the past three events such an amazing success. It’s such a great group of people and my only complaint is that we don’t get together more often. Well, that, and where to store all these Mohegan Sun Cheese Boards…. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports
Interesting, I am guessing that these orphaned supports could have been used in the small starboard pilot's birth which has been converted to a nav-station and additional lazarette space. Thanks for the reply. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:37 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:36:39 -0400 From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports Message-ID: f15f6dfe-57d2-4a4b-a696-d6f7f1102...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think I have any sole supports that are as short as 2 foot long nor are they black--mine are silver color... Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140922/ea2f47f5/attachment-0001.html -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall 38
Paul, could you please email me off list; I am looking for info to rent a condo in your area around late February, thanks Richard 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports Interesting, I am guessing that these orphaned supports could have been used in the small starboard pilot's birth which has been converted to a nav-station and additional lazarette space. Thanks for the reply. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:37 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:36:39 -0400 From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports Message-ID: f15f6dfe-57d2-4a4b-a696-d6f7f1102...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think I have any sole supports that are as short as 2 foot long nor are they black--mine are silver color... Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140922/ea2f47f5/attachment-0001.html -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports
Wally, Yes, these must be them. I thought I looked there, but I apparently did not notice any slots. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:00:46 + From: Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 sole supports Message-ID: 542152de.9080...@wbryant.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Paul - I'm pretty sure the two short ones support the sole in the aft cabin. The long ones are the main cabin. You can see mine on this page: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/instruments/gplane/index.htm You can see the short ones on this page: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/gtackle/winwire/index.htm Sorry if it doesn't display well. The old HTML is obsolete and I need to go back and rework just about all the pages on my site. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8", but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate "Sarah Jean" 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping
Re: Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans ( sort of )
I too found black pipe elbows and straights, wrapped with fiberglass and a homemade style mixer elbow (copper pipe brazed into plumbing pipe). When I finally noticed the Yanmar manual showed something very different, and replaced the rusting mess with a (then) ~$120 Yanmar elbow, and high quality rubber radiator-style wire wound hose instead of big box plumbing pipe parts, the small exhaust leaks disappeared, as did the soot in my engine area, and the engine became slightly quieter.. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Laje Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think you are right. Black pipe wrapped. There may have been an (expensive) Yanmar mixing elbow in the mix originally, but you should have a flange bolted to the exhaust manifold (I am speaking about my 2 cyl Yanmar) which has threads for the pipe and is removed with four bolts. I have gone through two broken 'mixing elbows' over the last 20 years. The rest is available from a home improvement store. The 'elbow' has to be welded. The fiberglass/asbestos(?) tape is available from Moyer Marine, the Atomic 4 specialists. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: Allen White via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife doesn't like it when the boat leans ( sort of ) Since we had an amazing trip up the River on Saturday running with the wind for 4 hours, a great dinner, party at another club, walk the town and a great breakfast, why beat into 14knts on the nose trying to make our way back down the narrow river home? We'll just motor through the narrows, drop the hook for lunch and then sail the rest of the way ! About 2 hours into the trip, she says Why do I smell exhaust? Probably a wind eddy as we are passing 30 feet from a highway bridge abutment. Not believing myself, and noticing a change in the exhaust note, I pulled the companion way steps to have a look. Smoke, steam and water spraying all over the place. In a surprisingly calm voice, she asks Do we have a fire ? No, just a broken exhaust. What will we do ? We are after all a sailboat, we'll sail ! Raised the sails, and beat the rest of the trip in short tacks home, where several friendly members at our club were at the slip to help us in. First time I sailed into the slip. Nice smooth landing, all well. Now the point of the post: Yanmar SB 8 single. Is the exhaust just black pipe wrapped with fiberglass tape ? It appears to be nothing more. I don't know what may have been done to her before I got her, but it looks like a bushing, 3 inch nipple, 90, 3 inch nipple, 90, 1 1/2 inch nipple, y adapter for water outlet from top of engine, copper male to sweat fitting that is clamped into exhaust hose to muffler. May be slightly different as it was kind of dark last night while I was in there. Also any wisdom on getting the old pipe out of the top of the engine ? Thanks, Allen Windfall '78 CC 26 Poughkeepsie Yacht Club Hudson River - Hyde Park, NY --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 2014 Northeast Rendezvous
Is there any video of the Rendevous? Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 2:16 pm Subject: Stus-List 2014 Northeast Rendezvous Fellow CC'ers. Amazing, we pulled off three in a row! Mystic, Block Island, Newport, all fantastic locations and next year we head west into central Long Island Sound. For those of you New Englanders who didn't make it, I encourage you to get there next year. Bring your boat, it's worth the trip. I think for all of us who sail in, it is becoming one of the high lights of the season and a final cruise as we wind down into fall sailing. Charley, you did a great job keeping us fed and watered, although most never did touch the bottled water. We had more than enough grub and grog to keep everyone happy for two evenings! For the weekend of Sept. 19, you were the hardest working man in show biz. Andrew, sorry we missed you and thanks for all your hard work getting the ball rolling. Dave, got things organized on the dock, handled the behind the scenes aggravation and proved. yet again, to be an excellent dancer (this time we have us on video and you probably don't even remember). CC Yachts/US Watercraft really came through for us, I mean what could be better than getting two brand new CC Yachts, a fascinating guest speaker, and picking up our tab for the dockside food and drink? I'm so impressed I'm almost starting to like the new logo! Special thanks to the CC Crew that brought the boats over and took people out sailing. Mohegan Sun, thanks for the tchotchkes. Good Old Boat Magazine, thanks for the latest issues. Sailing Magazine, thanks for stopping by, we look forward to the photos. Thanks to Stu for keeping up the website and email list. For everyone who made it by land or sea, without YOU there would be no Rendezvous. That is what makes it all possible. I encourage all of you to take a moment of your time and shoot a quick thank you email to: ka...@goodoldboat.com toak...@mohegansun.com sang...@uswatercraft.com s...@pubmgroup.com Thanks to anyone I missed, you know who you are! Edd, stand by to energize... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Doesn't the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks Best regards, Curtis CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina cpt.b...@gmail.commailto:bobhick...@rogers.com __/) . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
If only wishing made it so Nate On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Doesn’t the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . --
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Not mine . Mine are bedded right into the coach top. no frames of any kind? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Doesn't the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* CnC-List@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM *Subject:* Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks *Best regards,* *Curtis* *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * .
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
The earliest ones did, but they changed to the glued ones sometime in the late '70's. Gary - Original Message - From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Doesn't the 30 MK I have the same aluminum frame ports the 35 MK I has? Those are pretty easy to DIY. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Hi Curtis, Are you talking about replacing just the windows in the aluminum frames on your 30-1? I replaced the windows and splines on my 1975 30-1 last year and it was a breeze. I actually was able to use the same windows as they cleaned up very nicely with a plastic polish. It would have been a simple matter to use the old windows as a template for cutting new ones had I needed them. I ordered the spline and backing from southshoreyachts.com for maybe $60 for all 4 windows (other listers had mentioned alternate sources for less dough). I installed it in an hour or two. The original spline had dried out and was white and chalky - the new spline fit perfectly and the leaks are a thing of the past. Looks like new too. The Southshore window kit includes detailed instructions as I recall. Good luck, Joe Boyle 1975 30-1 'Zia' Annapolis - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks Best regards, Curtis CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina cpt.b...@gmail.commailto:bobhick...@rogers.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Mine do not have frames. There bedded right into the coach house. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Joe at Zialater via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Curtis, Are you talking about replacing just the windows in the aluminum frames on your 30-1? I replaced the windows and splines on my 1975 30-1 last year and it was a breeze. I actually was able to use the same windows as they cleaned up very nicely with a plastic polish. It would have been a simple matter to use the old windows as a template for cutting new ones had I needed them. I ordered the spline and backing from southshoreyachts.com for maybe $60 for all 4 windows (other listers had mentioned alternate sources for less dough). I installed it in an hour or two. The original spline had dried out and was white and chalky - the new spline fit perfectly and the leaks are a thing of the past. Looks like new too. The Southshore window kit includes detailed instructions as I recall. Good luck, Joe Boyle 1975 30-1 'Zia' Annapolis - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks Best regards, Curtis CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina cpt.b...@gmail.commailto:bobhick...@rogers.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else and understands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
I have a 27 Mk lll. Replaced windows with 1/4 in Plexiglas held in place by double.-sided butyl tape. Foolproof. -Original Message- From: Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-09-23 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements I've done a bunch of reading on this topic as my windows are cracked and need replacement. I don't have any experience actually doing it but I've read multiple different techniques -- so my comments should be taken with a grain (or bag) of salt! Nest year I may be able to speak from experience. I remember one discussion on the problem with adhesives was that the acrylic expands and contracts at different rates than the boat (or does not match boat flexing) and that most people put too thin a layer of adhesive - which could not absorb the movement. The recommended solution was to use double sided tape to keep the acrylic a couple millimeters off the gelcoat - then squeeze the adhesive caulk in around the edges for the water proofing. With more thickness there is more ability to absorb the different motions. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George SantayanaOn 23/09/2014 12:42 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List wrote: A few years ago I lightly ran a cutting knife around the outside edge of the 30-year glued windows, went inside and hit each one once, moderately, with my fist. Every one popped right out. No gelcoat damage, but scarily easy Did the cast acrylic/plexus routine, was happy with nice new ports except for the not so pretty glue line showing through #2404 bronze 3/8, but then this year the large window started leaking again. Broken-hearted would cover it. One of several reasons we're currently closing on a boat with Lewmar ports. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Curtis, be very careful when taking the old ones out. They are glued in with some powerful stuff and you stand a good chance of chipping the gelcoat around the windows (don't ask me how I know). You may want to try a dremel or one of those vibrating side cutters (Fein tool?). Then you have to clean up the area where the adhesive was - it was probably laid on pretty thick and is another dremel job - again - care. Some folks use a special adhesive called Plexus, which is a two part glue and needs a special gun for application. The windows are bonded into the side of the cabin and are part of the structure. You have to hold them in place (they are slightly bent to match the curve of your cabin). Or you can use Sikaflex 295, which requires a cleaner, a primer (mandatory!!!) and the adhesive. Don't get creative and try anything else, there are probably 100 war stories about folks who have experimented and then got the opportunity to do it right the next year. Search through the archives on the site - most of the late '70's and later original CC's had glued in windows and there are a lot of threads on this repair. It is doable but not trivial. Jake had a pretty good description if I remember correctly. Gary Nylander (Been there with moderate success) - Original Message - From: Curtis via CnC-List To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements Good morning, I'm thinking of a winter project to replace the cabin side windows with something stronger and nice. Has anybody undergone this project that could share their process and maybe some photos ? Do I just cut them out with a razor knife and take them to a lexan shop and have them duplicate them in a lighter color? Is there a framed in type? I have been stopping leaks in them windows sense I got the boat? I also want to rebuild the forward hatch and need something strong and that lets in more light. I need to know if the gasket around the inside is replaceable? Mine is cracking up and needs to be replaced. all-tho the leaking looks to be the caulking of the class itself to the frame. If you can share some in-depth details on how the two mentioned projects are to be completed I would be very thankful. I am very good at DIY projects and could do this project without imput. It is so much nicer hearing from people that have done it. Thanks Best regards, Curtis CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina cpt.b...@gmail.com __/) . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It depends, At the club parties it runs the gammut from enthusiastic sailor ladies to killjoys that never come out sailing, just show up for parties.. When she runs into the lather all they say is too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too humid, etc, etc. then I'm loosing ground. I'm banking on the lessons.. Truth to be told, if you're that much not into the boating thing, just sitting around on a boat is not much more fun than sitting around anywhere else.. Especially given the fact that on the lake, when it's (Really) windy, it's usually not very sunny, often a bit coldish, so you have to look at the big picture to appreciate what's going on. On the plus she's fairly athletic so maybe once she told what's what by someone else andunderstands better what's going on she'll get into the workout / physical side of it and get a little rush that way... I guess that's typical boat stuff: one more thing to figure out... -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:
Stus-List CC30MK1 windows and hatch replacements
Curtis: Our 1984 - 32 had original side cabin windows that leaked.no matter what I tried to stop the leaks, it didn't work. The last straw was when we put new upholstery on the boat in 2009I couldn't put up with leaks any more. So in the Spring 2010, while the boat was still under the white shrinkwrap cover, the decision was made to install new windows. I first asked some of the contractors around the boatyard what they would charge to do the job.most said they wouldn't do it because the windows don't have frames and/or screws.two problems for the contractorswithout frames and/or screws, the job is more time consuming and hard to provide an estimate of time, and second, without frames and/or screws, they can't guarantee the windows will stay in place. I must warn you, this is a time consuming job. Find a source for your new windowsmake sure they will cut the new ones for you.take your old ones to be used as templates. I used the same material (acrylic) and color as the old windows. To remove the old windows (OWs), I took a narrow putty knife and cut about an inch off the blade and then sharpened the blade with a file. From the inside, I cut out each window with the putty knife and a hammer. Three windows came out without incident.then shit happened on the port, forward window..I got the sides and bottom cut but I couldn't easily cut the top of that window. The original adhesive CC used was two part plexus and after 25 years it hardens like resin.as careful as I was I still managed to push the bottom of the window out causing the top to come loose and take a strip of gelcoat with it. Another repair job and another story, and another reason why the contractors don't like to provide an estimate on these jobs..you don't know for sure what you are getting yourself in for. OWs out...cleaned them up and took them to Sabic Polymer to have new windows cut.same thickness, material, color. The new windows (NWs) will have paper on both sidesdon't remove the paper. Now to clean up the framesthe prep is very importantI used a drummel tool with a fine bit to remove most of the old adhesive, then a palm sander, then hand sanded. Filled any imperfections in the frame with polyster resin bought at an automotive store. When the frames are cleaned, it is time to place the NWs into them (dry, no adhesive) to determine the actual fit. Place each NW into its respective frame and from the inside, draw a line with a marker along the inside of the frame onto the paper on the NW. You will need to have someone hold the NW from the outside or have the NW braced...I will get to the bracing shortly. The inside paper along the line must be cut from the window with a razor blade or sharp utility knife. It is this part on the NW that will be glued to the frame. I repeat, it is a slow and labor intensive job.patience is required. When the inside paper along the line has been cut and removed, there will be about an inch of NW exposed..rough up this exposed glass with sand paper. With a good quality masking tape, tape the frames both inside and outside...do a good job with this as it is important for cleanup. Also have plenty of rags for cleanup and a solvent like Varsol.if you use Sika as the adhesive, it is black and messy. Now you are ready to begin installing the NWs. I researched what adhesive to use and I went with Sikaflex 295 UV and if you choose this as well, make sure you get the Sikaflex primer.it is expensive, but don't, I repeat, don't do this without using the Sika primer. Two tubes of Sika 295 UV will be sufficient..I had both tubes opened, each in a caulking gun.one tube I had the end cut to produce a 'triangle bead'.the second tube had the normal small bead. Take your Sika primer and apply to one frame at a time..then apply the primer to the NW where you cut the paper from. Read the instructions carefully and watch the time between applying the primer and then the adhesive..I think you should wait about 10 to 20 minutes maximum. Take the caulking gun with the triangle bead and apply liberally to the inside of the NW.then take the second gun and apply a bead of Sika all along the 90 deg. angle of the frame. Use lots of adhesive.when you fit the NW into the frame, you want adhesive coming out all around the window/frame.as such, there will be lots of adhesive and hopefully no voids between the NW and frame. I did not use spacers between the window and frame. I know it is recommended, I actually had the spacers but thought against it. For me, it was just another place for problems to occur down the road. Just make sure you use lots of adhesive to achieve at least an 1/8 thickness. Now, that the NW is in place, you have to brace it to let the adhesive cure. Beforehand, I went around the boatyard and collected pieces of 2 X 4 that members were throwing away from winter covers and cut them
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans
Thanks for the suggestions. All good, but not for my girl. Hiring a coach or taking a course won't change the fact that she doesn't like that sailboats lean when powered up. She's just not interested in a sailing course or coaching or changing. We're 60 and been together 30+ years. We've had this boat for 12 years and she likes harbor cruises under power or anchoring overnight, or all the social stuff at the dock or rafting up. My daughter is the same. My son however is like me and took to sailing right off. He joined his college's sailing team and loves racing with me. I've raced the boat without my wife or daughter and won regattas with 1st time ever crew, so I assure you I am fairly competent. I can calmly explain which line to put to what winch and which way to turn it and never raise my voice except to be heard. I've put newbies on the wheel and coached them to steer and they loved steering. I've also taken guests who just wanted a ride, didn't want to do anything and I just set the autohelm and do it all like I do when I'm alone. My wife likes that style until it gets above 10 knots when the boat comes alive and we start making 6 plus knots and heel to 25 degrees cause the apparent becomes 16 and then we're doing 7.3 knots and lovin it, until she's almost crying something like, do you have to make it lean so much? Let's find a place to go swimming. She's missing the sailing gene, but I can't change her and she has no desire to take a course or let me hire a coach. I guess I'll run our boat like a trawler when she's aboard, and save the sailing for when she's not there. I'm gonna order that tow toy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:44:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Ok, here's a response from a woman. I married into sailing. Started with a small boat, took trips to New England and the Caribbean on charters in significantly larger boats (where my love for CC began). I learned to love the lifestyle and a bit of racing but what really shifted my thinking was crewing on someone else's boat. Consider this, expectations are high and so is pressure when sailing with a spouse. When sailing on another accomplished skippers boat as added crew, you see how the experienced crew handles everything and before you know it you relax, a few years have passed, and your right there with them, loving every second. I wouldn't expect every wife to catch the bug I did, but they might certainly see sailing from a different perspective and enjoy it more with a higher level of confidence. I know on Lake Lanier and other bodies of water there are some very patient and good skippers that would welcome a learning spouse. I'd be happy to help as well... Joanne Mocny S/V Obsession CC 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Try Womanship - they have a school in Annapolis, but hold classes in the Caribbean. A friend went - loved it. Gary blockquote - Original Message - From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Wife dosen't like it when the boat leans Dennis / others, Do you have any recommendations for such a course, preferably somewhere warm and with some considerable learning opportunities (moving from very competent crew to command / self-sufficiency, not basics)? Bev / other female listers, I'd be interested in your opinions too. Thanks, Tim On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Don't just send your lady to sailing lessons. Send her to a week long ladies only sailing class. It's a LOT different than taking lessons with a coed group. She will not just get sailing lessons, she will get emotional support, counselling, share experiences with other women, etc. Chances are it will be a much more positive experience for her. I've had a couple lady friends do it and they absolutely swear it's the only way to learn sailing. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote I'll let you guys know how the lessons help.. Racing did not help, she clammed-up even worse for fear that she'd screw something up. Even if on that particular race, everything that could be screwed-up was already taken care of so no one really cared. No amount of screwing-up was going to make our last place any worse. :-) Giving her the helm.. Been there done that, same result. Talking to other wifes.. It
