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I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Taxes...and in some jurisdictions sulfur content. You are correct in that generally a pump on the road will work fine with your boat. Watch out using fuel from the marina in you car because if it was un-taxed and dyed red then it will stain your tank an make you subject to fines if found out (unlikely). Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Dec 9, 2014 4:51 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have repowered with Westerbeke 40 4-108 3 years ago. Since then, I've been using exclusively gas station diesel that I get from jerry cans. Simply because it's cheaper. So far I have not had any signs of issues. Winterizing procedure involves adding diesel stabilizer and replacing both fuel filters. I try to keep the tank as full as possible to eliminate condensation. This keeps me away from mega yachts at the Newport fuel docks, and saves me few $$. If anything, marina diesel fuel is more prone to having issues unless it's a high traffic fuel dock. If you get diesel from a high traffic truck stop fuel station, you are more likely to get good quality diesel that was not sitting for too long. I am curious what other think in terms of the two sources of diesel. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Petar, In Annapolis the price is about the same whether I go to the dock or the station. My local marina has a brand new above ground tank, so I'm reasonably comfortable buying fuel there. The nearby gas stations probably don't sell a huge amount of diesel. A neighbor who was in the oil industry does not trust any marina, so he uses jerry cans. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have repowered with Westerbeke 40 4-108 3 years ago. Since then, I've been using exclusively gas station diesel that I get from jerry cans. Simply because it's cheaper. So far I have not had any signs of issues. Winterizing procedure involves adding diesel stabilizer and replacing both fuel filters. I try to keep the tank as full as possible to eliminate condensation. This keeps me away from mega yachts at the Newport fuel docks, and saves me few $$. If anything, marina diesel fuel is more prone to having issues unless it's a high traffic fuel dock. If you get diesel from a high traffic truck stop fuel station, you are more likely to get good quality diesel that was not sitting for too long. I am curious what other think in terms of the two sources of diesel. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The diesel you get at a marina almost is always the same (tax-wise) as what you get at gas stations. I have never seen it to be otherwise. We pay over-the-road taxes on it and it contains the correct dyes. For those of you with experience in power yachting, we used to be able to document our marina fuel purchases and request a rebate on the road taxes paid over the course of a tax year. When you burn 25 gallons an hour (or more) that will add up significantly over the course of a season. I wholeheartedly agree that the fuel you buy at a busy truck stop will very likely be much fresher than what you might get at your marina. I can tell you that whatever fuel (Diesel or gas) is in the tanks at my marina will still be there in May. I do not believe they treat it either. The price is also less volatile. My marina and most others set their price based on what they paid. Gas stations charge you whatever they can get away with on a given day. Sometimes that works in our favor, sometimes not so much. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:55 AM To: 'Robert Abbott'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel I have repowered with Westerbeke 40 4-108 3 years ago. Since then, I've been using exclusively gas station diesel that I get from jerry cans. Simply because it's cheaper. So far I have not had any signs of issues. Winterizing procedure involves adding diesel stabilizer and replacing both fuel filters. I try to keep the tank as full as possible to eliminate condensation. This keeps me away from mega yachts at the Newport fuel docks, and saves me few $$. If anything, marina diesel fuel is more prone to having issues unless it's a high traffic fuel dock. If you get diesel from a high traffic truck stop fuel station, you are more likely to get good quality diesel that was not sitting for too long. I am curious what other think in terms of the two sources of diesel. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Here we had a product called marine gas oil or various other names that was not diesel but could be used in diesel engines. There was a price savings. However, some found it more susceptible to algae growth. Our Corps patrol boat developed a serious problem with algae and we stopped using it. My understanding was that the CG here stopped as well. I go to a station where I see a lot of trucks and of course use a conditioner. I especially use a sulfur conditioner since my engine was built before the new low sulfur rules. Can't remember what it is right now. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30-1 STL On Tue, 12/9/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Fuel To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 8:51 AM I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Not sure what the article Rob was reading was about, but I was in the merchant navy (British) when I first left school, and we burned what was (...and still is) called bunker fuel, in our large marine diesels. It was thicker and dirtier, if I remember correctly, than the diesel you buy at gas stations. Maybe that is what the article was referring to. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2014-12-09, at 10:12 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Here we had a product called marine gas oil or various other names that was not diesel but could be used in diesel engines. There was a price savings. However, some found it more susceptible to algae growth. Our Corps patrol boat developed a serious problem with algae and we stopped using it. My understanding was that the CG here stopped as well. I go to a station where I see a lot of trucks and of course use a conditioner. I especially use a sulfur conditioner since my engine was built before the new low sulfur rules. Can't remember what it is right now. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30-1 STL On Tue, 12/9/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Fuel To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 8:51 AM I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bunker is like a #6 or 7 fuel oil and IIRC so thick it has to be heated to flow. We used it to power the boiler in our steam driven dredge. I didn't know diesel engines could use it. I'm betting none of ours can. If we could, the soot build-up would be horrendous. Ron Wild Cheri On Tue, 12/9/14, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 11:38 AM Not sure what the article Rob was reading was about, but I was in the merchant navy (British) when I first left school, and we burned what was (...and still is) called bunker fuel, in our large marine diesels. It was thicker and dirtier, if I remember correctly, than the diesel you buy at gas stations. Maybe that is what the article was referring to. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2014-12-09, at 10:12 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Here we had a product called marine gas oil or various other names that was not diesel but could be used in diesel engines. There was a price savings. However, some found it more susceptible to algae growth. Our Corps patrol boat developed a serious problem with algae and we stopped using it. My understanding was that the CG here stopped as well. or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The bunker oil (bunker fuel) cannot be easily mistaken for the diesel fuel we use in our diesel engines. To start with, at ambient temperatures, it is more like soft butter than liquid. You have to heat it up a bit (steam?) to make it flow. Marek -Original Message- From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:38 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Not sure what the article Rob was reading was about, but I was in the merchant navy (British) when I first left school, and we burned what was (...and still is) called bunker fuel, in our large marine diesels. It was thicker and dirtier, if I remember correctly, than the diesel you buy at gas stations. Maybe that is what the article was referring to. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2014-12-09, at 10:12 AM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Here we had a product called marine gas oil or various other names that was not diesel but could be used in diesel engines. There was a price savings. However, some found it more susceptible to algae growth. Our Corps patrol boat developed a serious problem with algae and we stopped using it. My understanding was that the CG here stopped as well. I go to a station where I see a lot of trucks and of course use a conditioner. I especially use a sulfur conditioner since my engine was built before the new low sulfur rules. Can't remember what it is right now. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30-1 STL On Tue, 12/9/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Stus-List Fuel To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 8:51 AM I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Marinas often sell both gas and diesel that have been specifically formulated for marine use. They have additives that address conditions that differ from conditions on roads and highways. One major brand of this marine fuel is Valvtect. Is it necessary? Probably not. Is it beneficial? Could have more and better anti-corrosion additives, etc, that help your engine. http://www.valvtect.com/marineFuelDiesel.asp Bill Bina On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Many of the fuel docks I use supply ValvTect fuel. Whether it's better or not, I don't know. I use jerry cans to fuel the boat when in home port. As a rule, I try to use Chevron or Texaco fuels in the boat. I found years ago that many other brands gummed up the fuel injectors in my old Suburban truck. My new Suburban is much less sensitive to brand. I've never put additives in Touche's fuel. My circumstances may be different than most of the listers. First, I turnover my fuel a few times a year so it's fairly fresh. Touche' has about 1200 hours on the diesel since the repower in 2003. At 0.6 gph that's about 80 gallons a year or 4.5 tanks a year. Second, Touche' has an Algae-X fuel conditioner. While many think these are little more than marketing magic, all I know is I've never had a fuel related issue. My fuel system also has a Racor 500 fuel filter with Racor's vacuum gauge adapter on it. I change the fuel filter elements based on vacuum. I may go a few hundred hours between element changes. I record this data but don't have it handy. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Marinas often sell both gas and diesel that have been specifically formulated for marine use. They have additives that address conditions that differ from conditions on roads and highways. One major brand of this marine fuel is Valvtect. Is it necessary? Probably not. Is it beneficial? Could have more and better anti-corrosion additives, etc, that help your engine. http://www.valvtect.com/marineFuelDiesel.asp Bill Bina On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 33-I Spreaders?
I would just weld the cracks, I had a few little ones on mine, welded them up 10 years ago and no problems since . . . Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Paine via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:26 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 33-I Spreaders? Hi All, I just took my mast down (original mast on a 1975 CC 33) for some work and was horrified to find that one of my spreaders is cracked in a not-good way. Ideally, I'd like to replace it -- does anyone know where such a part could be found? It's an airfoil shaped section that tapers toward the shrouds. Thanks, David ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement
I replaced my main halyard sheave around 5 years ago with UV Stabilized Black UHMW Poly. I had several made up, thinking I would also do my jib sheaves soon. Well, they were bigger! If anyone is interested I would like to sell them, probably 5 bucks each. They are bored to accept a pair of commonly available SS roller bearings (not included). With these, the dimensions are 5/8 thick, 4 Diameter, and 1/2 axle. Very smooth, as you would expect. http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit21063 Bill Coleman CC 39 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 1:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement The main on Flight Risk is very difficult to raise or more difficult than I think it should be. Would anyone please share info on replacing the halyard sheaves? There seem to be good resources for replacements, but I cannot remember what the masthead looks like exactly with respect to their access. She's a '76 C$C 33-1. Once the mast is unstepped, I think I could replace them myself. Has anyone here done this? Does it require any special tools? Can I get replacements before I have the old ones out? Thx for any info or directions. Barbara H. Fellers Flight Risk CC 33-1 hull #151 Charleston, SC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Rob, Marina fuel (in theory) should be cheaper because it doesn't include road taxes. In actuality, it is usually about the same price as at the filling station on the corner. The product is the same, except fuel without road taxes is died red. I can buy off-road diesel at a local station much cheaper than the marina fuel. I only buy 5 gal. at a time. I keep the tank near full as much as I can, unless I'm going into an extended regatta. Then I keep the fuel as low as possible. No sense in dragging 20 gal. of fuel around all day! In the northern climate, they sell winterized diesel. This differs from standard ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) in that they add some #1 diesel to the mix to prevent the fuel from gelling in the cold weather. If you live up there, it will keep your diesel humming in winter. Chances are the ice is frozen anyway, so it's usually not an issue for sailboats. I wholeheartedly agree that you should buy your fuel from a trusted source, one that moves a lot of fuel. Truck stops are usually best. Jake Jake Brodersen Midnight Mistress CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel
Dennis, My Suburban is pretty easy going when it comes to fuel. Even with an optical sensor in the injection pump, I run ULSD and biodiesel a lot without problems. After Thanksgiving I have four gallons of peanut oil which will be slowly run through the Suburban as well. That way I can recoup some of the price of the original oil. I don’t use biodiesel in the boat anymore, even though it does smell like French fries. The shelf life of biodiesel is much shorter than standard diesel, 30 versus the standard 90 day shelf life. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Many of the fuel docks I use supply ValvTect fuel. Whether it's better or not, I don't know. I use jerry cans to fuel the boat when in home port. As a rule, I try to use Chevron or Texaco fuels in the boat. I found years ago that many other brands gummed up the fuel injectors in my old Suburban truck. My new Suburban is much less sensitive to brand. I've never put additives in Touche's fuel. My circumstances may be different than most of the listers. First, I turnover my fuel a few times a year so it's fairly fresh. Touche' has about 1200 hours on the diesel since the repower in 2003. At 0.6 gph that's about 80 gallons a year or 4.5 tanks a year. Second, Touche' has an Algae-X fuel conditioner. While many think these are little more than marketing magic, all I know is I've never had a fuel related issue. My fuel system also has a Racor 500 fuel filter with Racor's vacuum gauge adapter on it. I change the fuel filter elements based on vacuum. I may go a few hundred hours between element changes. I record this data but don't have it handy. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Marinas often sell both gas and diesel that have been specifically formulated for marine use. They have additives that address conditions that differ from conditions on roads and highways. One major brand of this marine fuel is Valvtect. Is it necessary? Probably not. Is it beneficial? Could have more and better anti-corrosion additives, etc, that help your engine. http://www.valvtect.com/marineFuelDiesel.asp Bill Bina On 12/9/2014 9:51 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I also use the 5 gal gerry can method. I add Seafoam once in a while. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:47:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Rob, Marina fuel (in theory) should be cheaper because it doesn't include road taxes. In actuality, it is usually about the same price as at the filling station on the corner. The product is the same, except fuel without road taxes is died red. I can buy off-road diesel at a local station much cheaper than the marina fuel. I only buy 5 gal. at a time. I keep the tank near full as much as I can, unless I'm going into an extended regatta. Then I keep the fuel as low as possible. No sense in dragging 20 gal. of fuel around all day! In the northern climate, they sell winterized diesel. This differs from standard ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD) in that they add some #1 diesel to the mix to prevent the fuel from gelling in the cold weather. If you live up there, it will keep your diesel humming in winter. Chances are the ice is frozen anyway, so it's usually not an issue for sailboats. I wholeheartedly agree that you should buy your fuel from a trusted source, one that moves a lot of fuel. Truck stops are usually best. Jake Jake Brodersen Midnight Mistress CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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FYI, Diesel fuel at an Exxon in Pasadena was $3.05 this past weekend. I doubt a marina can compete w that. Chuck - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Petar Horvatic phorv...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:01:11 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Petar, In Annapolis the price is about the same whether I go to the dock or the station. My local marina has a brand new above ground tank, so I'm reasonably comfortable buying fuel there. The nearby gas stations probably don't sell a huge amount of diesel. A neighbor who was in the oil industry does not trust any marina, so he uses jerry cans. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have repowered with Westerbeke 40 4-108 3 years ago. Since then, I've been using exclusively gas station diesel that I get from jerry cans. Simply because it's cheaper. So far I have not had any signs of issues. Winterizing procedure involves adding diesel stabilizer and replacing both fuel filters. I try to keep the tank as full as possible to eliminate condensation. This keeps me away from mega yachts at the Newport fuel docks, and saves me few $$. If anything, marina diesel fuel is more prone to having issues unless it's a high traffic fuel dock. If you get diesel from a high traffic truck stop fuel station, you are more likely to get good quality diesel that was not sitting for too long. I am curious what other think in terms of the two sources of diesel. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Fuel I was reading an article that made reference to 'marine diesel fuel' versus 'diesel fuel' . The article did not go into detail as to whether or not there is actually a difference between the two. I always thought that a 'diesel engine' whether marine or otherwise burned the same fuel Was this simply the 'writer's interpretation' in that diesel used for marine purposes is somehow different from diesel used for say, diesel powered automobiles? This is probably a stupid question and if so, tell me. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Thanks everyoneI knew diesel fuel was dyed and taxed for different intended uses.fishers, farmers, truckers, the rest of us etc. Jake, my diesel fuel use involves only my Yanmar 2GMF in mainly double digit C temps so any ' winterized northern diesel' should not matter to me. I heard this before and even though I don't run my engine in the winter, I wait until very late in the season to fill my tank before layup. I always buy my diesel from the club's fuel dock.I see it being refilled on a regular basis.I have never had any fuel issues.since the fuel truck delivering to our club is the same fuel truck delivering diesel to the regular gas stations, I assume then we are getting the 'winterized northern diesel' late in the season. Rich, I realize that it is better not to speak and appear stupid, than than to speak and remove all doubt. I had a feeling it was a stupid question but I had to ask!. Merry Xmas everyone. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 33-I Spreaders?
Why are so many former owners idiots? What is it with these people? I assume the folks who have bought my boats have exactly the same questions. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 December 2014 at 15:20, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would just weld the cracks, I had a few little ones on mine, welded them up 10 years ago and no problems since . . . Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Paine via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:26 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List CC 33-I Spreaders? Hi All, I just took my mast down (original mast on a 1975 CC 33) for some work and was horrified to find that one of my spreaders is cracked in a not-good way. Ideally, I'd like to replace it -- does anyone know where such a part could be found? It's an airfoil shaped section that tapers toward the shrouds. Thanks, David ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
