Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed
Yes – it is simple physics. At 11-12 knots my stern is nearly under. A modern boat won’t sink, more like half-plane like those monster “motor yachts” from the 60s-70s with the huge V-12 Detroit Diesels that go up the river leaving a 6 foot wake. An old narrow clipper ship could potentially be sailed under. I have heard of it, not sure if it ever happened. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and "escape " hull speed.(This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: Robert GallagherSubject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speedSomeone correct me if I'm wrong on this...The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s).Even kayaks do it.Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could "theoretically sink itself if it had enough power".YMMVRob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
Yes, but as I understand it, some time before that happens with a typical displacement hull with no planing surfaces it becomes so unstable it capsizes and sinks or at least all heck breaks loose. Modern wide arsed hulls are more likely to plane with enough power (read that as LOTS!) Ken H. On 14 January 2015 at 19:25, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and escape hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) *From: *Robert Gallagher via CnC-List *Sent: *Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *Robert Gallagher *Subject: *Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
Fear of sinking by over-power is why I won't put a turbo charger on my A4 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:26 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and escape hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Robert Gallagher Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
perhaps a turbo 7.4L muscle car engine would squeeze in the cabin replacing the table On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Fear of sinking by over-power is why I won’t put a turbo charger on my A4 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:26 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and escape hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Robert Gallagher Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
On my Shields, which is a lovely slim 30 footer with long overhangs, when we get going hull speed and the breeze is trying to push us quicker, the bow wave starts rolling over the foredeck and the stern wave rolls over the aft deck. Any faster and we'd be under! Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 14, 2015, at 18:38, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: perhaps a turbo 7.4L muscle car engine would squeeze in the cabin replacing the table On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Fear of sinking by over-power is why I won’t put a turbo charger on my A4 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:26 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and escape hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Robert Gallagher Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
Love the look of the Shields. I think at some point boat designers calculated the hull speed and then calculated the height of the wave created and added enough freeboard to the boat design to prevent water coming on deck. (Then marketing said yeah, add more freeboard so we can have standing headroom and build rooms inside.) Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: D Harben sailadventu...@rogers.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:17:02 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed On my Shields, which is a lovely slim 30 footer with long overhangs, when we get going hull speed and the breeze is trying to push us quicker, the bow wave starts rolling over the foredeck and the stern wave rolls over the aft deck. Any faster and we'd be under! Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 14, 2015, at 18:38, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: perhaps a turbo 7.4L muscle car engine would squeeze in the cabin replacing the table On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Fear of sinking by over-power is why I won’t put a turbo charger on my A4 From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:26 PM To: CnC Subject: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could climb over its own bow wave and escape hull speed. (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! ) sam :-) From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Robert Gallagher Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this... The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you approach hull speed. It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s). Even kayaks do it. Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could theoretically sink itself if it had enough power. YMMV Rob blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question
Those of you who are computer literate: this is kind of a boat question - a member in our museum's model boat club is interested in getting an easy to use 2D drafting program. He is leading the task to design and prepare a kit to build a model of one of our oyster 'buy' boats which used to be prevalent on the Chesapeake. We have the real boat (65' long) at the museum, and he has taken measurements, but wants to have a professional set of plans for the prospective model builders. Any one have any ideas? Thanks in advance. Gary Nylander St. Michaels Maryland___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question
I agree, the learning curve on auto cad type products is painful sometimes, I use a product - Turbo-Cad that is normally priced around $40- $80, depending on sales, it will do most anything, and save in most any format. The thought to use a student is quite good, George Cone CC 40 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:09 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question I use Autocad lite, which works well and USED to be pretty cheap, but not anymore. There are iterations of this for tablet, but they say you can only edit, not completely draw, so, not sure how that would work. Maybe edit an existing drawing to your specs. There is also Google SketchUp, free, after they probe you for every bit of info about your life. This could very well do what he needs to do. In the end, the easiest thing may be to go to a local college or community college and get one of the students to tackle it, they already have the software and some know-how. Call Westlawn.edu Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question Those of you who are computer literate: this is kind of a boat question - a member in our museum's model boat club is interested in getting an easy to use 2D drafting program. He is leading the task to design and prepare a kit to build a model of one of our oyster 'buy' boats which used to be prevalent on the Chesapeake. We have the real boat (65' long) at the museum, and he has taken measurements, but wants to have a professional set of plans for the prospective model builders. Any one have any ideas? Thanks in advance. Gary Nylander St. Michaels Maryland ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question
There is a free program called Freeship which is designed for boat designers, it is probably the best bet for inputting lines, although the learning curve is pretty steep. http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeship/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 14 January 2015 at 08:24, George Cone via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I agree, the learning curve on auto cad type products is painful sometimes, I use a product – Turbo-Cad that is normally priced around $40- $80, depending on sales, it will do most anything, and save in most any format. The thought to use a student is quite good, George Cone CC 40 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Coleman via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:09 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question I use Autocad lite, which works well and USED to be pretty cheap, but not anymore. There are iterations of this for tablet, but they say you can only edit, not completely draw, so, not sure how that would work. Maybe edit an existing drawing to your specs. There is also Google SketchUp, free, after they probe you for every bit of info about your life. This could very well do what he needs to do. In the end, the easiest thing may be to go to a local college or community college and get one of the students to tackle it, they already have the software and some know-how. Call Westlawn.edu Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Nylander via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:12 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question Those of you who are computer literate: this is kind of a boat question - a member in our museum's model boat club is interested in getting an easy to use 2D drafting program. He is leading the task to design and prepare a kit to build a model of one of our oyster 'buy' boats which used to be prevalent on the Chesapeake. We have the real boat (65' long) at the museum, and he has taken measurements, but wants to have a professional set of plans for the prospective model builders. Any one have any ideas? Thanks in advance. Gary Nylander St. Michaels Maryland ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer
Burt, As the other response stated, there should be a HIN on the transom. My 1976 38 doesn't have one there, I don't know if it was never there or was faired over during a topside repaint. I do have a small CC plaque in the cockpit that has 380100 on it and that is the number on all the paperwork for the boat even though it is not in the proper format for a HIN. I have also found this number in various hidden places in the interior. James S/V Delaney Oriental, NC 1976 CC 38 -Original Message- From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:05 AM To: blhick...@yahoo.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer I have been impressed with the way my 1974 33 3/4 tonner is made. Other than the likely-hood for moisture in the balsa core of the cabin roof and the cockpit sole (not the fault of the manufacturer) the boat looks to be solid as a rock and sails nice and stiff. I do wish I had the 33-1 layout, though. The modifications they made for the 3/4 ton model make the living on board pretty sparse. I keep seeing folks on this list giving hull numbers. I cannot for the life of me find mine. Now my boat was likely made in the custom shop. It has an extended keel (about 12 inches) but the hull and sail plan is identical to the 33-1. The only plaque is on the aft wall of the cockpit and there is no hull number on it. Is it possible there is no hull number? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer If the size is a good fit, the 33-1 is the best boat CC ever made and one of the best boats you could ever buy. Just sayin'. Good luck with your purchase. Barbara H. Fellers Flight Risk '76 CC 33-1 #151 Charleston, SC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question
I use Autocad lite, which works well and USED to be pretty cheap, but not anymore. There are iterations of this for tablet, but they say you can only edit, not completely draw, so, not sure how that would work. Maybe edit an existing drawing to your specs. There is also Google SketchUp, free, after they probe you for every bit of info about your life. This could very well do what he needs to do. In the end, the easiest thing may be to go to a local college or community college and get one of the students to tackle it, they already have the software and some know-how. Call Westlawn.edu Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Off CC, but boating related question Those of you who are computer literate: this is kind of a boat question - a member in our museum's model boat club is interested in getting an easy to use 2D drafting program. He is leading the task to design and prepare a kit to build a model of one of our oyster 'buy' boats which used to be prevalent on the Chesapeake. We have the real boat (65' long) at the museum, and he has taken measurements, but wants to have a professional set of plans for the prospective model builders. Any one have any ideas? Thanks in advance. Gary Nylander St. Michaels Maryland ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer
I have been impressed with the way my 1974 33 3/4 tonner is made. Other than the likely-hood for moisture in the balsa core of the cabin roof and the cockpit sole (not the fault of the manufacturer) the boat looks to be solid as a rock and sails nice and stiff. I do wish I had the 33-1 layout, though. The modifications they made for the 3/4 ton model make the living on board pretty sparse. I keep seeing folks on this list giving hull numbers. I cannot for the life of me find mine. Now my boat was likely made in the custom shop. It has an extended keel (about 12 inches) but the hull and sail plan is identical to the 33-1. The only plaque is on the aft wall of the cockpit and there is no hull number on it. Is it possible there is no hull number? -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer If the size is a good fit, the 33-1 is the best boat CC ever made and one of the best boats you could ever buy. Just sayin'. Good luck with your purchase. Barbara H. Fellers Flight Risk '76 CC 33-1 #151 Charleston, SC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List questions from potential buyer
Martin, The 43 looks so much like a scaled up Viking 33. That is a truly beautiful boat! There is one for sale in Toronto. I would love to own one of those. The admiral can't bare the the thought of another rehab or another 70s boat. I don't think I have another rehab in me either... Love to see some pictures of calypso! Danny From my Android phone Original message From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 01/14/2015 12:08 AM (GMT-05:00) To: andrew rothweiler andy...@att.net,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List questions from potential buyer I agree with Andy's response. The tapping around areas of concern will give strong indication of issues if any with the laminate and / or core. We are 1.5 years into a deck restoration on Calypso (hull #1 of the 43's launched in January 1970 from Bruckmann's custom yard). We have explored all sorts of water intrusion issues with tapping, drilling holes, grinding out layers, and long ago a moisture meter. The moisture meter had a low correlation to water issues, especially in locating an exact spot of excess moisture. Tapping seems to be very accurate. I have heard of moisture meters reading excess moisture in the bottom paint more than moisture in the laminate. Tapping around hull stress points (keel stub and prop strut), hull penetrations (thru hulls etc.), and a close examination of the inside keel bolt areas and mast step area may be able to confirm the condition of the boat's structure. If the deck is cored, have the surveyor tap around the hardware and rigging deck penetrations. We found most of Calypso's failed balsa core under halyard blocks and around the mast collar. To be fair, this 43 has been raced hard every year of its life on both coasts and the Great Lakes. As a race boat most of the deck hardware had been moved several times and much maintenance was deferred. Fortunately repair of balsa cored decks is straight forward with basic epoxy skills but it is a little messy. If the boat has been well maintained, was not sunk or stored with lots of water inside and is a fresh water boat, the moisture meter reading should not be your defining issue. I expect a well maintained CC 33 hull will outlast your ownership long enough to be another sailor's first CC. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of andrew rothweiler via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List questions from potential buyer Hello all, I've found a mid 70s CC 33-1 that I'm interested in buying. One thing the survey indicated was elevated moisture levels, into the yellow on the meter, in the bottom. The owner had the bottom epoxy barrier coated about 8 years ago, and the bottom paint was new last year. There were no blisters present at the survey, and the owner has said there have never been any- he has owned the boat for 30+ years. The boat has been on the Great Lakes from new, and based on the condition of the boat, especially compared to all the boats I have looked at, I would say the boat has had an attentive, conscientious owner. My question is whether elevated moisture in several areas of the bottom of a solid fiberglass hull should be a deal breaker or a matter of concern. The surveyor told me that he would not be concerned, and that if I was I should buy a new boat (hah! not happening). Do you agree with the surveyor's lack of concern about some level of moisture in the bottom of a solid glass hull of a 40 year old boat? Many thanks in advance for advice. My search for a boat has lasted a couple of years now, has included a big learning curve, and has focused on CCs, in large part because of the valuable information and assistance available on this site from the members. Thanks again.___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer
Elevated moisture readings from a moisture meter are not always indicative of moisture. Further investigation is required. A surveyor would know how to do this. And YES I would whole heartedly agree with the surveyor - a new boat may be dry but the old boat is solid. Our 1987 J27 had a cored hull while the CC 33-1 does not. With a balsa cored hull moisture readings are a concern. On our Spring 2013 survey an area forward and to port of keel approx. 1 ft wide by 2 ft long was identified as showing elevated moisture levels. Last year in Spring of 2014 I decided to replace the core in that area from the inside. So I removed the head, the sole under the head and other components to get at the hull. Then I cut out an initial 4 x 4 inch section in the middle of this area which my moisture meter also indicated as high. The balsa was bone dry. Next I drilled from inside 10 1/2 inch pilot holes all over this area to check the core. In all cases was bone dry. When I contacted my surveyor the next day we determined that the excessive coats of interprotect 2000E in the areas near the keel stub could be the culprit for the false reading. I had put one coat on Interprotect on entire hull but the pebbly surface texture bothered me so much that that w as all I put on except around the keel stub extending out a foot or so where I put on 6 coats. If you like the boat then do a bit more examination and if good buy it. I would be more concerned about the condition of the engine in a 33-1 than I would the solid glass hull. Mike Persistence Frers 33 #16 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer If the size is a good fit, the 33-1 is the best boat CC ever made and one of the best boats you could ever buy. Just sayin'. Good luck with your purchase. Barbara H. Fellers Flight Risk '76 CC 33-1 #151 Charleston, SC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pics of my mast head and spreaders
Turn buckle boots work and they don't trap water they are not expensive and come in several sizes On Monday, January 12, 2015, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: IMHO, remove all of that ugly protective cover and take closeup pics of the bare metal. Remove all of the tape and clean off the sticky before you call the rigger. You'll see what you really have and save hours for the rigger, and get a better job. Consider proper spreader boots, better for sails and more aerodynamic. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *To: *Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bstrat...@falconnect.com');, cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Sent: *Monday, January 12, 2015 9:09:54 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Pics of my mast head and spreaders Actually not all that bad. Yes blocks need to be replaced/modernized and you can do better on the line selection but that is minor stuff and just time. The spreaders, fittings and standing rigging would be my biggest concern. Didn't notice any issues on the welds, etc but hard to tell in person let alone by pictures. Have a good contact at a local loft? Seriously, Internet lists are great but you do want a professional rigger to look at it. 33 is big enough... John Sent from my iPad On Jan 12, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: I had committed a couple weeks ago to take some pics of my halyard sheaves among other things for another lister. I posted some that might be helpful. There are also pics of my spreaders. My lowers seem to be in need of repair or replacement. I obviously need to clean off the protective tape and expose the ends / turnbuckles, etc. but there seems to be a fair amount of corrosion, even cracking. When the weather improves a bit I will head back down to get a better look. I would consider it a huge favor for someone with some experience in the review of rigging to take a look and comment. I hope these links work. It was a little more work than it should seem to be to get these on Google Drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLRXhXbUE3eUo4X0U/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLaXQyTExEbEJybzg/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLc3NHS0hIY2syXzA/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLUWhvUmVxZUJrTEk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLTGpsdXJrUm52LXM/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLLTgzOTY0TDhUOE0/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLT0tyMmFIQXl6eWc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLSnMtUlBIem9NWm8/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLZ21uY05EWVJraDQ/view?usp=sharing Skip 1974 CC 33 ¾ tonner On the hard in walpole Mast in Portsmouth, RI bstrat...@falconnect.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bstrat...@falconnect.com'); ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Questions from potential buyer
How would you have registered a boat without the HIN? All boats manufactured in the US and Canada have the HIN in the upper starboard of the transom since 1972. Bill Bina On 1/14/2015 9:05 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List wrote: I have been impressed with the way my 1974 33 3/4 tonner is made. Other than the likely-hood for moisture in the balsa core of the cabin roof and the cockpit sole (not the fault of the manufacturer) the boat looks to be solid as a rock and sails nice and stiff. I do wish I had the 33-1 layout, though. The modifications they made for the 3/4 ton model make the living on board pretty sparse. I keep seeing folks on this list giving hull numbers. I cannot for the life of me find mine. Now my boat was likely made in the custom shop. It has an extended keel (about 12 inches) but the hull and sail plan is identical to the 33-1. The only plaque is on the aft wall of the cockpit and there is no hull number on it. Is it possible there is no hull number? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album. Please donate to the CC Photo Album to keep this list free for all subscribers. Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
