Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

It looks like the backstay backing plate has disintegrated and the plywood
gusset has rotted out at the transom end. If I'm close, the DIY sequence is:

grind away bad stuff
replace with good stuff

A good resource is the WEST System guide to repairing fiberglass boats.
http://www.westsystem.com/ss/fiberglass-boat-repair-and-restoration/
If you can post larger pictures somewhere (photobucket, picasa, whatever)
and link them here we can add our combined expertise and (no extra charge)
mocking.



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 15 February 2015 at 17:50, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Contact the Museum of the Great Lakes and ask the curator if they have the
> backstay chain plate drawing from the original build.
>
> Calypso was also built in 1970.  The museum had drawings of most custom
> fittings including the chain plates.
>
> The museum's contact info was sent out on this list a few weeks back.  If
> you cannot find it let me know and I will dig it up and send it on.
>
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Seattle
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dan Grant via
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 3:34 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate
>
> Hello listers
> I'm looking for some advice on replacing my back stay chainplate .
> Thanks Dan
> 1970 31ft corvette
> Hull# 148
> Buried in snow in ipswich ma
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Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Dan,

Contact the Museum of the Great Lakes and ask the curator if they have the 
backstay chain plate drawing from the original build.

Calypso was also built in 1970.  The museum had drawings of most custom 
fittings including the chain plates.

The museum's contact info was sent out on this list a few weeks back.  If you 
cannot find it let me know and I will dig it up and send it on.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 3:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

Hello listers
I'm looking for some advice on replacing my back stay chainplate .
Thanks Dan
1970 31ft corvette
Hull# 148
Buried in snow in ipswich ma
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Re: Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Saw your picture. Not sure what I'm seeing besides some rust and water stains? 
Could you be more specific as to why you are replacing your backstay 
chainplate? Has it failed? Is it loose, or broken? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:34:19 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Back stay chain plate 

Hello listers 
I'm looking for some advice on replacing my back stay chainplate . 
Thanks Dan 
1970 31ft corvette 
Hull# 148 
Buried in snow in ipswich ma 



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Stus-List Back stay chain plate

[Dan Grant via CnC-List]

Hello listers 
I'm looking for some advice on replacing my back stay chainplate . 
Thanks Dan
1970 31ft corvette 
Hull# 148
Buried in snow in ipswich ma




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Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

[Dan via CnC-List]

Amen, Bremerton the same with even better forecast tomorrow!!

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On Feb 15, 2015, at 10:29 AM, svpegasu...@gmail.com via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Currently 48 with 13kts wind and clear blue sky. Temp should reach 60 here in 
the northwest. Gotta love it. 

T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network.
Original message

-- Original message--
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Date: Sun, Feb 15, 2015 04:28
To: 'Joel Aronson';cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
Subject:Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
Currently 19 degrees F and snowing at a rate of 2-3 inches per hour on to a 
base of about 4 feet with very high winds in the greater Boston area (hurricane 
force on the coast and on the Cape). Blizzard conditions forecast through 
tomorrow. Can’t even get to the boat to clear snow off the cover. This bites!  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:25 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
 
Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south!
 
Joel

On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Ain't it interesting!  The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places.
Humans are a strange lot.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL  Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next.  So I guess we don't have to move 
around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two.


On Tue, 2/10/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
 To: "CnClist" 
 Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 7:53 PM

 Snow is
 for skiing, not shoveling.
 Actually looking for snow here. 
 I'm in Vail, CO.  The World Alpine Championship racers
 here this week aren't happy.  Got some snow today but
 temps were near 40.
 I'm
 ready to go SAILING.  Left Louisiana Jan 15.  Skied Big
 Sky, MT; Grand Targhee and Jackson Hole, WY; and now am
 moving around ski areas in Colorado.  Will put 5000+ miles
 on the old Suburban.
 Dennis C.Touche' 35-1
 #83Mandeville, LA



 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at
 6:43 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
 wrote:







 I gave up calling the walkway in
 front of my house
 a sidewalk.
 Trench is more accurate.

  
 Steve Thomas
 Southwestern Ontario

   - Original Message -

   From:
   Marek
   Dziedzic via CnC-List
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

   Sent: Tuesday,
 February 10, 2015 7:12
   PM
   Subject: Re:
 Stus-List While our
   Northeast friends were shoveling snow..



   I
   am not sure if this should be allowed this time of the
   year.

   This
   weekend I pushed off about 20 cm (8 in) of snow of the
 boat cover and this is
   nothing compared to some people around
 Boston.

   Marek
   (in Ottawa, balmy -10C (or 10 F))



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 On Behalf Of
   Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
 Sent: February-10-15
   18:07
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List While
   our Northeast friends were shoveling
 snow..

   Short video from
   the race this past weekend.  :-)  

 LARC Feb 8 Race Lake Lanier, Georgia

 60
 degrees, sunny,
   12-16 knots winds..

 No results yet but
   we didn't do so hot thanks to quite a few tactical
 blunders from yours truly
   and a mostly "Never Sailed Before"crew.  We
 still had a ball, learned a
   lot,  and the boys thanked me for an experience
 they'll never forget.
(I think they'll be back) . That's what it's
 all about for me...


 Stay Warm :-)


  Regards,


 -Francois
   Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take
   Five"
 Lake Lanier,
   Georgia
























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Re: Stus-List Window Installation - 1985 41

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Try this link to 3M VHB tapes. 

http://m.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/mAdhesives/Tapes/Products/?rt=ms&resultsPerPage=10&Ntt=VHB&x=0&y=0

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg

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> On Feb 15, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd,
> 
> I googled "3m fuselage tape" and couldn't cleary identify what product you 
> used.  Could you please enlighten me.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2015 8:38 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
>> wrote:
>> We have the frameless windows and did the replacement last Spring. We used 
>> 3M fuselage tape - and although the prep was a lot of work, we are very 
>> pleased with the end result. 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> ---
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> NCC-1701-B
>> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
>> www.StarshipSailing.com
>> ---
>> 914.332.4400  | Office
>> 914.774.9767  | Mobile
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>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That might work; but butyl’s NOT an adhesive, so you would definitely need 
>> the screws/bolts.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would the butyl tape work on frameless windows that were attached by 
>>> screws?  What about bolts all the way through to some nice wood trim that 
>>> would "clamp" the cabin top sides between the windows and interior trim?
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Window Installation - 1985 41

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Josh,

I have the exact item number at my office. Will circle back to you tomorrow 


All the best,

Edd

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On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:

Edd,

I googled "3m fuselage tape" and couldn't cleary identify what product you 
used.  Could you please enlighten me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

> On Feb 8, 2015 8:38 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> We have the frameless windows and did the replacement last Spring. We used 3M 
> fuselage tape - and although the prep was a lot of work, we are very pleased 
> with the end result. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> NCC-1701-B
> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ---
> 914.332.4400  | Office
> 914.774.9767  | Mobile
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> 
> On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That might work; but butyl’s NOT an adhesive, so you would definitely need 
> the screws/bolts.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Would the butyl tape work on frameless windows that were attached by screws? 
>>  What about bolts all the way through to some nice wood trim that would 
>> "clamp" the cabin top sides between the windows and interior trim?
> 
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Re: Stus-List Window Installation - 1985 41

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Edd,

I googled "3m fuselage tape" and couldn't cleary identify what product you
used.  Could you please enlighten me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 8, 2015 8:38 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> We have the frameless windows and did the replacement last Spring. We used
> 3M fuselage tape - and although the prep was a lot of work, we are very
> pleased with the end result.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ---
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> NCC-1701-B
> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ---
> 914.332.4400  | Office
> 914.774.9767  | Mobile
> ---
> Sent via iPhone 6
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>
> On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That might work; but butyl's NOT an adhesive, so you would definitely need
> the screws/bolts.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 8, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Would the butyl tape work on frameless windows that were attached by
> screws?  What about bolts all the way through to some nice wood trim that
> would "clamp" the cabin top sides between the windows and interior trim?
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

This sounds well thought out but I have one thought on this. You say you 
painted the inside of the plexiglass black, the substrate you are now adhering 
to is paint and not the window itself. I'm thinking you may see the window 
separate from the VHB tape and leave the paint behind on the tape as the paint 
is not necessarily a structural bond.  Hopefully the paint is more firmly 
adhered to the glass than the tape will be.  
Also be aware that the solvents in the paint may damage the plastic over time 
and cause crazing around the edges. Just a thought. Hopefully I'm overthinking 
this and wrong. 
Good luck with the project, keep us posted. 

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg


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> On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:06 AM, RPH via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> I have been reading the recent posts about windows and I thought that some 
> might be interested to hear of my experience replacing the portlights on my 
> 1989 30 MKII. Please note that I just started the on-boat part of the project 
> yesterday and the work is not yet complete. 
> 
> In late fall I made tracings of the portlights which I transfered to 1/2 inch 
> ply. The templates were cut using a circular saw with a guide rail system and 
> a router. I then took my templates to a local plastics manufacturer, and they 
> made the portlights from 1/4 inch plexiglass (Bronze 2404). The edges of the 
> portlights are bevelled at 22.5 degrees (if I remember correctly). They 
> turned out to be very good reproductions of the factory portlights. 
> 
> To ready myself for the project, I also purchased 36 yards of 3M VHB 4991 
> Tape 1/2" x 2.3mm,  4 tubes of Dow 795 structural adhesive (I chose white 
> over black), and a can of DEI 010301 Black High-Temperature Silicone Coating 
> exhaust paint. 
> 
> Yesterday, I attended at the boat with a view to replacing only the aft, 
> starboard portlight (because I didn't want to bite off more than I could 
> chew). I knew that the factory portlights were glued on with a methacrylate 
> adhesive and that they would be difficult to remove. I brought my Dremel 
> Multimax (which is like a Fein Multimaster) and tried using a flexible 
> scraper to get between the plexi and the cabin top. This was not effective. 
> In the end, I used several small putty knives which easily removed the 
> portlight. 
> 
> What the putty knives did not remove was the remnants of the methacrylate 
> adhesive. I tried several different techniques to remove the adhesive but 
> ultimately decided that the better course would be to fair the area with 3m 
> Premium Marine Filler. 
> 
> After sanding the fairing compound, I held the new portlight in place while 
> my wife traced the window opening from inside the cabin onto the protective 
> paper film. Then I used an Exacto knife to cut the paper along the tracing 
> and removed the paper surrounding the window opening. Next, I spray painted 
> the inside of the portlight black with the DEI paint so that the tape and Dow 
> 795 will not be visible against the cabin top. 
> 
> I experimented with small pieces of the VHB tape and was surpised to see that 
> it did not seem to stick too well to the cabin top even after the surface was 
> carefully cleaned with alcohol. I decided that the fairing compound should be 
> left to cure overnight and I will try again today. In any event, I have since 
> read that the VHB tape needs time to reach maximum adhesion, and that it will 
> adhere more quickly when the temperature is warmer. I'll bring a heat gun 
> today to warm up the cabin top before applying the portlight. 
> 
> Anyway, if all goes well, the plan is to first affix the VHB tape to the 
> inside of the portlight. Then, with the portlight dry-fitted in place, I will 
> affix a few wooden blocks to the inside of the portlight (through the cabin 
> top window opening) using double sided poster tape. My hope is that I can 
> then remove the protective film from the other side of the VHB tape and then 
> fit the portlight into place like a "key" into a keyhole. After the tape is 
> set, I will then fill the gap around the outside with the Dow 795. 
> 
> That's the plan, anyway. 
> 
> Robert H. 
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Re: Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I agree — my 30mkI had 3/8” acrylic, as well.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I used  three eighths cast acrylic... Quarter inch seems thin.

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Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

On the topic of C&C hull strength, while reviewing the original build drawings 
from the C&C collection at the Museum of the Great Lakes I noticed that the 
43's built after hull #8 had an additional "fore gripe".



This fore and aft stringer type re-enforcement runs from the mast step forward 
about 7'.  It was also added to the early C&C 61 Sorcery to fix the same flex 
point.  This flex point starts where the lead section of the keel joins the 
hull.  Both the early 61's and 43's flexed more than expected at that point.



This is the same area that we, the current care takers of hull #1 had to repair 
in 1999 when we first had the boat in Seattle.  It is a relief to now know why 
the hull needed repair in that area.  We will be adding a similar "fore gripe" 
as part of our ongoing deck and interior restoration project.



Calypso originally had the oval aluminum framed windows.  A prior owner cut 
those out, added another cut out and bolted on thick acrylic.  We replaced the 
acrylic in 2001 and improved the through bolt system.  In 2013 we removed all 
the balsa core in the window attachment area and filled with thickened epoxy.  
No more leaks and a much stronger assembly.  I do believe that with the longer, 
larger window openings the bolted acrylic assembly adds stiffness to the cabin 
top, both fore and aft and athwart ships.  I tested some of the cabin top 
flexibility while removing other hatches and supports.  It wiggled more than I 
expected, especially up and down.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:21 AM
To: dwight
Cc: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength

Hi Dwight,
By "fixed", I mean they "don't open".   I also agree that the newer frameless 
windows aren't better than framed, and I don't think I implied that they add 
strength to what could have been a solid fiberglass coach roof.  I just think 
the coachroof is stronger with the windows intact, like a car's structure is 
stronger with the doors closed.  Windows with cracks (especially frameless 
type) weaken the coachroof structure slightly.  And will allow more flexing and 
more cracks will develop over time.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "dwight" 
To: "Chuck S" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:00:35 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength

Chuck,
What do you mean by "fixed windows?"

Aren't all good ports (windows) fixed to the coachouse, glued on, bolted on or 
other?  I think maybe the ports that were glued on with Plexus and found on the 
80's C&C designs were done that way mostly for appearance and not necesarily to 
add strength...I am skeptical about whether or not they added anymore strength 
than the framed ports did on the older (70's) designed boats.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm not an engineer but I do re-engineer many systems they dream up.
I think the fixed windows do add strength and without them the structure has to 
be weaker.
They help support the coachroof which does create an arch between the flatter 
deck sections.

Also, floorboards.  You might stiffen up an old design by changing from wooden 
plywood to an aluminum honeycomb sandwich.
But would the cost be worth it?  Probably not unless you needed to replace them.



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Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

[svpegasus38]

Currently 48 with 13kts wind and clear blue sky. Temp should reach 60 here in 
the northwest. Gotta love it. 

T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network.
-- Original message--
From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Date: Sun, Feb 15, 2015 04:28
To: 'Joel Aronson';cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
Subject:Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
Currently 19 degrees F and snowing at a rate of 2-3 inches per hour on to a 
base of about 4 feet with very high winds in the greater Boston area (hurricane 
force on the coast and on the Cape). Blizzard conditions forecast through 
tomorrow. Can’t even get to the boat to clear snow off the cover. This bites!  
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:25 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
 
Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south!
 
Joel

On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Ain't it interesting!  The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places.
Humans are a strange lot.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL  Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next.  So I guess we don't have to move 
around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two.


On Tue, 2/10/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
 To: "CnClist" 
 Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 7:53 PM

 Snow is
 for skiing, not shoveling.
 Actually looking for snow here. 
 I'm in Vail, CO.  The World Alpine Championship racers
 here this week aren't happy.  Got some snow today but
 temps were near 40.
 I'm
 ready to go SAILING.  Left Louisiana Jan 15.  Skied Big
 Sky, MT; Grand Targhee and Jackson Hole, WY; and now am
 moving around ski areas in Colorado.  Will put 5000+ miles
 on the old Suburban.
 Dennis C.Touche' 35-1
 #83Mandeville, LA



 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at
 6:43 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
 wrote:







 I gave up calling the walkway in
 front of my house
 a sidewalk.
 Trench is more accurate.

  
 Steve Thomas
 Southwestern Ontario

   - Original Message -

   From:
   Marek
   Dziedzic via CnC-List
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

   Sent: Tuesday,
 February 10, 2015 7:12
   PM
   Subject: Re:
 Stus-List While our
   Northeast friends were shoveling snow..



   I
   am not sure if this should be allowed this time of the
   year.
    
   This
   weekend I pushed off about 20 cm (8 in) of snow of the
 boat cover and this is
   nothing compared to some people around
 Boston.
    
   Marek
   (in Ottawa, balmy -10C (or 10 F))
    


   From:
   CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of
   Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
 Sent: February-10-15
   18:07
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List While
   our Northeast friends were shoveling
 snow..
    
   Short video from
   the race this past weekend.  :-)  

 LARC Feb 8 Race Lake Lanier, Georgia

 60
 degrees, sunny,
   12-16 knots winds..

 No results yet but
   we didn't do so hot thanks to quite a few tactical
 blunders from yours truly
   and a mostly "Never Sailed Before"crew.  We
 still had a ball, learned a
   lot,  and the boys thanked me for an experience
 they'll never forget.
    (I think they'll be back) . That's what it's
 all about for me...


 Stay Warm :-)


  Regards,


 -Francois
   Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take
   Five"
 Lake Lanier,
   Georgia




















    



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Re: Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I used  three eighths cast acrylic. That matched my factory windows and deck 
lights. I used half inch on my hatches and companionway. Also matched my 
original. Quarter inch seems thin. 

 

1974 33-3 quarter tonner

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RPH via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795

 

I have been reading the recent posts about windows and I thought that some 
might be interested to hear of my experience replacing the portlights on my 
1989 30 MKII. Please note that I just started the on-boat part of the project 
yesterday and the work is not yet complete. 

 

In late fall I made tracings of the portlights which I transfered to 1/2 inch 
ply. The templates were cut using a circular saw with a guide rail system and a 
router. I then took my templates to a local plastics manufacturer, and they 
made the portlights from 1/4 inch plexiglass (Bronze 2404). The edges of the 
portlights are bevelled at 22.5 degrees (if I remember correctly). They turned 
out to be very good reproductions of the factory portlights. 

 

To ready myself for the project, I also purchased 36 yards of 3M VHB 4991 Tape 
1/2" x 2.3mm,  4 tubes of Dow 795 structural adhesive (I chose white over 
black), and a can of DEI 010301 Black High-Temperature Silicone Coating exhaust 
paint. 

 

Yesterday, I attended at the boat with a view to replacing only the aft, 
starboard portlight (because I didn't want to bite off more than I could chew). 
I knew that the factory portlights were glued on with a methacrylate adhesive 
and that they would be difficult to remove. I brought my Dremel Multimax (which 
is like a Fein Multimaster) and tried using a flexible scraper to get between 
the plexi and the cabin top. This was not effective. In the end, I used several 
small putty knives which easily removed the portlight. 

 

What the putty knives did not remove was the remnants of the methacrylate 
adhesive. I tried several different techniques to remove the adhesive but 
ultimately decided that the better course would be to fair the area with 3m 
Premium Marine Filler. 

 

After sanding the fairing compound, I held the new portlight in place while my 
wife traced the window opening from inside the cabin onto the protective paper 
film. Then I used an Exacto knife to cut the paper along the tracing and 
removed the paper surrounding the window opening. Next, I spray painted the 
inside of the portlight black with the DEI paint so that the tape and Dow 795 
will not be visible against the cabin top. 

 

I experimented with small pieces of the VHB tape and was surpised to see that 
it did not seem to stick too well to the cabin top even after the surface was 
carefully cleaned with alcohol. I decided that the fairing compound should be 
left to cure overnight and I will try again today  . In any 
event, I have since read that the VHB tape needs time to reach maximum 
adhesion, and that it will adhere more quickly when the temperature is warmer. 
I'll bring a heat gun today   to warm up the cabin top 
before applying the portlight. 

 

Anyway, if all goes well, the plan is to first affix the VHB tape to the inside 
of the portlight. Then, with the portlight dry-fitted in place, I will affix a 
few wooden blocks to the inside of the portlight (through the cabin top window 
opening) using double sided poster tape. My hope is that I can then remove the 
protective film from the other side of the VHB tape and then fit the portlight 
into place like a "key" into a keyhole. After the tape is set, I will then fill 
the gap around the outside with the Dow 795. 

 

That's the plan, anyway. 

 

Robert H. 

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Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Dwight, 
By "fixed", I mean they "don't open". I also agree that the newer frameless 
windows aren't better than framed, and I don't think I implied that they add 
strength to what could have been a solid fiberglass coach roof. I just think 
the coachroof is stronger with the windows intact, like a car's structure is 
stronger with the doors closed. Windows with cracks (especially frameless type) 
weaken the coachroof structure slightly. And will allow more flexing and more 
cracks will develop over time. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "dwight"  
To: "Chuck S" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:00:35 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength 

Chuck, 
What do you mean by "fixed windows?" 

Aren't all good ports (windows) fixed to the coachouse, glued on, bolted on or 
other? I think maybe the ports that were glued on with Plexus and found on the 
80's C&C designs were done that way mostly for appearance and not necesarily to 
add strength...I am skeptical about whether or not they added anymore strength 
than the framed ports did on the older (70's) designed boats. 

Dwight Veinot 
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 
d.ve...@bellaliant.net 


On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



I'm not an engineer but I do re-engineer many systems they dream up. 
I think the fixed windows do add strength and without them the structure has to 
be weaker. 
They help support the coachroof which does create an arch between the flatter 
deck sections. 

Also, floorboards. You might stiffen up an old design by changing from wooden 
plywood to an aluminum honeycomb sandwich. 
But would the cost be worth it? Probably not unless you needed to replace them. 






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Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795

[RPH via CnC-List]

I have been reading the recent posts about windows and I thought that some 
might be interested to hear of my experience replacing the portlights on my 
1989 30 MKII. Please note that I just started the on-boat part of the project 
yesterday and the work is not yet complete. 

In late fall I made tracings of the portlights which I transfered to 1/2 inch 
ply. The templates were cut using a circular saw with a guide rail system and a 
router. I then took my templates to a local plastics manufacturer, and they 
made the portlights from 1/4 inch plexiglass (Bronze 2404). The edges of the 
portlights are bevelled at 22.5 degrees (if I remember correctly). They turned 
out to be very good reproductions of the factory portlights. 

To ready myself for the project, I also purchased 36 yards of 3M VHB 4991 Tape 
1/2" x 2.3mm,  4 tubes of Dow 795 structural adhesive (I chose white over 
black), and a can of DEI 010301 Black High-Temperature Silicone Coating exhaust 
paint. 

Yesterday, I attended at the boat with a view to replacing only the aft, 
starboard portlight (because I didn't want to bite off more than I could chew). 
I knew that the factory portlights were glued on with a methacrylate adhesive 
and that they would be difficult to remove. I brought my Dremel Multimax (which 
is like a Fein Multimaster) and tried using a flexible scraper to get between 
the plexi and the cabin top. This was not effective. In the end, I used several 
small putty knives which easily removed the portlight. 

What the putty knives did not remove was the remnants of the methacrylate 
adhesive. I tried several different techniques to remove the adhesive but 
ultimately decided that the better course would be to fair the area with 3m 
Premium Marine Filler. 

After sanding the fairing compound, I held the new portlight in place while my 
wife traced the window opening from inside the cabin onto the protective paper 
film. Then I used an Exacto knife to cut the paper along the tracing and 
removed the paper surrounding the window opening. Next, I spray painted the 
inside of the portlight black with the DEI paint so that the tape and Dow 795 
will not be visible against the cabin top. 

I experimented with small pieces of the VHB tape and was surpised to see that 
it did not seem to stick too well to the cabin top even after the surface was 
carefully cleaned with alcohol. I decided that the fairing compound should be 
left to cure overnight and I will try again today. In any event, I have since 
read that the VHB tape needs time to reach maximum adhesion, and that it will 
adhere more quickly when the temperature is warmer. I'll bring a heat gun today 
to warm up the cabin top before applying the portlight. 

Anyway, if all goes well, the plan is to first affix the VHB tape to the inside 
of the portlight. Then, with the portlight dry-fitted in place, I will affix a 
few wooden blocks to the inside of the portlight (through the cabin top window 
opening) using double sided poster tape. My hope is that I can then remove the 
protective film from the other side of the VHB tape and then fit the portlight 
into place like a "key" into a keyhole. After the tape is set, I will then fill 
the gap around the outside with the Dow 795. 

That's the plan, anyway. 

Robert H. 
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Re: Stus-List Northeast weather

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

Chuck, half of the boats at our club's pier are aground, with all of the water 
blown out of the creek. Hope your boat is ok if you're still in the water at 
Broad Creek. I spent the day iceboating yesterday, but staying home today! 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205242986628074&set=pcb.10205243007788603&type=1
 
Chris Price 
Pradel 35 MK I 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck S via CnC-List"  
To: "Joel Aronson" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:25:53 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Northeast weather 

Joel, 
South Jersey is sharing that weather, reporting 12.5 F and NW 35 to 45 knot 
winds, gusting to over 55. The ocean swells are 7 to 11 ft. 
Delaware Bay swells are 3 to 6 ft. Tides expected to be 2 feet lower than 
normal due to high winds. 

We got only 2 inches of snow since yesterday, but the wind has blown it into 
bare spots next to foot deep drifts. The snow is blowing across the lawn like a 
white river, similar to the way sand blows down the beach when the winds are 
over 20 knots. The lake nearby was blue water last week and is frozen and 
covered in white today. 

I'm staying indoors, reading my John Kretschmer book, 'Sailing A Serious 
Ocean". 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: "Ronald B. Frerker" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:24:51 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow.. 

Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south! 

Joel 

On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Ain't it interesting! The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places. 
Humans are a strange lot. 
Ron 
Wild Cheri 
C&C 30-1 
STL Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next. So I guess we don't have to move 
around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two. 





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Re: Stus-List Windows and floorboards add strength

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Chuck,
What do you mean by "fixed windows?"

Aren't all good ports (windows) fixed to the coachouse, glued on, bolted on
or other?  I think maybe the ports that were glued on with Plexus and found
on the 80's C&C designs were done that way mostly for appearance and not
necesarily to add strength...I am skeptical about whether or not they added
anymore strength than the framed ports did on the older (70's) designed
boats.

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List  wrote:

> I'm not an engineer but I do re-engineer many systems they dream up.
> I think the fixed windows do add strength and without them the structure
> has to be weaker.
> They help support the coachroof which does create an arch between the
> flatter deck sections.
>
> Also, floorboards.  You might stiffen up an old design by changing from
> wooden plywood to an aluminum honeycomb sandwich.
> But would the cost be worth it?  Probably not unless you needed to replace
> them.
>
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Frederick G Street via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"dwight" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:53:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Window Installation - 1985 41
>
> Dwight — if I might jump in here, my understanding is that the glued-in
> acrylic ports became a unified part of the cabintop structure, and
> stiffened the structure; NOT that they made the boat stiffer in terms of
> sailing characteristics.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:15 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Rick
>
> Is it really true that the designers at C&C expected glued on acryllic
> ports to stiffen the whole boat
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Northeast weather

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Joel, 
South Jersey is sharing that weather, reporting 12.5 F and NW 35 to 45 knot 
winds, gusting to over 55. The ocean swells are 7 to 11 ft. 
Delaware Bay swells are 3 to 6 ft. Tides expected to be 2 feet lower than 
normal due to high winds. 

We got only 2 inches of snow since yesterday, but the wind has blown it into 
bare spots next to foot deep drifts. The snow is blowing across the lawn like a 
white river, similar to the way sand blows down the beach when the winds are 
over 20 knots. The lake nearby was blue water last week and is frozen and 
covered in white today. 

I'm staying indoors, reading my John Kretschmer book, 'Sailing A Serious 
Ocean". 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: "Ronald B. Frerker" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:24:51 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow.. 

Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south! 

Joel 

On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Ain't it interesting! The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places. 
Humans are a strange lot. 
Ron 
Wild Cheri 
C&C 30-1 
STL Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next. So I guess we don't have to move 
around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two. 




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Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

  Minus 14.4°F and drifting snow in Southwestern Ontario, but it was colder 
last night. 

  Observed at: 
  London Int'l Airport
  Date: 
  9:00 AM EST Sunday 15 February 2015
  Condition:
  Drifting Snow
  Pressure:
  30.4 inches
  Temperature:
  -14.4°F 
  Wind:
  NNW 12 mph 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
  To: 'Joel Aronson' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 07:28
  Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..


  Currently 19 degrees F and snowing at a rate of 2-3 inches per hour on to a 
base of about 4 feet with very high winds in the greater Boston area (hurricane 
force on the coast and on the Cape). Blizzard conditions forecast through 
tomorrow. Can’t even get to the boat to clear snow off the cover. This bites!  

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson via CnC-List
  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:25 AM
  To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

   

  Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south!

   

  Joel

  On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Ain't it interesting!  The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places.
  Humans are a strange lot.
  Ron
  Wild Cheri
  C&C 30-1
  STL  Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next.  So I guess we don't have to 
move around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two.

  
  On Tue, 2/10/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

   Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
   To: "CnClist" 
   Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 7:53 PM

   Snow is
   for skiing, not shoveling.
   Actually looking for snow here. 
   I'm in Vail, CO.  The World Alpine Championship racers
   here this week aren't happy.  Got some snow today but
   temps were near 40.
   I'm
   ready to go SAILING.  Left Louisiana Jan 15.  Skied Big
   Sky, MT; Grand Targhee and Jackson Hole, WY; and now am
   moving around ski areas in Colorado.  Will put 5000+ miles
   on the old Suburban.
   Dennis C.Touche' 35-1
   #83Mandeville, LA



   On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at
   6:43 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
   wrote:







   I gave up calling the walkway in
   front of my house
   a sidewalk.
   Trench is more accurate.


   Steve Thomas
   Southwestern Ontario

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 From:
 Marek
 Dziedzic via CnC-List
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

 Sent: Tuesday,
   February 10, 2015 7:12
 PM
 Subject: Re:
   Stus-List While our
 Northeast friends were shoveling snow..



 I
 am not sure if this should be allowed this time of the
 year.
  
 This
 weekend I pushed off about 20 cm (8 in) of snow of the
   boat cover and this is
 nothing compared to some people around
   Boston.
  
 Marek
 (in Ottawa, balmy -10C (or 10 F))
  


 From:
 CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
   On Behalf Of
 Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
   Sent: February-10-15
 18:07
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
   Subject: Stus-List While
 our Northeast friends were shoveling
   snow..
  
 Short video from
 the race this past weekend.  :-)  

   LARC Feb 8 Race Lake Lanier, Georgia

   60
   degrees, sunny,
 12-16 knots winds..

   No results yet but
 we didn't do so hot thanks to quite a few tactical
   blunders from yours truly
 and a mostly "Never Sailed Before"crew.  We
   still had a ball, learned a
 lot,  and the boys thanked me for an experience
   they'll never forget.
  (I think they'll be back) . That's what it's
   all about for me...


   Stay Warm :-)


Regards,


   -Francois
 Rivard
   1990 34+ "Take
 Five"
   Lake Lanier,
 Georgia




















  



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Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Currently 19 degrees F and snowing at a rate of 2-3 inches per hour on to a 
base of about 4 feet with very high winds in the greater Boston area (hurricane 
force on the coast and on the Cape). Blizzard conditions forecast through 
tomorrow. Can’t even get to the boat to clear snow off the cover. This bites!  

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:25 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..

 

Currently 13 degrees F and 42 kt wind in Annapolis. And this is the south!

 

Joel

On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Ain't it interesting!  The southern folks are going skiing and the northern 
folks are dreaming of warm places.
Humans are a strange lot.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL  Where it's 50F one day and 20 the next.  So I guess we don't have to move 
around; if we don't like the weather, we just wait a day or two.


On Tue, 2/10/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List While our Northeast friends were shoveling snow..
 To: "CnClist"  >
 Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 7:53 PM

 Snow is
 for skiing, not shoveling.
 Actually looking for snow here. 
 I'm in Vail, CO.  The World Alpine Championship racers
 here this week aren't happy.  Got some snow today but
 temps were near 40.
 I'm
 ready to go SAILING.  Left Louisiana Jan 15.  Skied Big
 Sky, MT; Grand Targhee and Jackson Hole, WY; and now am
 moving around ski areas in Colorado.  Will put 5000+ miles
 on the old Suburban.
 Dennis C.Touche' 35-1
 #83Mandeville, LA



 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at
 6:43 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List  >
 wrote:







 I gave up calling the walkway in
 front of my house
 a sidewalk.
 Trench is more accurate.

  
 Steve Thomas
 Southwestern Ontario

   - Original Message -

   From:
   Marek
   Dziedzic via CnC-List
   To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  

   Sent: Tuesday,
 February 10, 2015 7:12
   PM
   Subject: Re:
 Stus-List While our
   Northeast friends were shoveling snow..



   I
   am not sure if this should be allowed this time of the
   year.

   This
   weekend I pushed off about 20 cm (8 in) of snow of the
 boat cover and this is
   nothing compared to some people around
 Boston.

   Marek
   (in Ottawa, balmy -10C (or 10 F))



   From:
   CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com  ]
 On Behalf Of
   Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
 Sent: February-10-15
   18:07
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
 Subject: Stus-List While
   our Northeast friends were shoveling
 snow..

   Short video from
   the race this past weekend.  :-)  

 LARC Feb 8 Race Lake Lanier, Georgia 
 

 60
 degrees, sunny,
   12-16 knots winds..

 No results yet but
   we didn't do so hot thanks to quite a few tactical
 blunders from yours truly
   and a mostly "Never Sailed Before"crew.  We
 still had a ball, learned a
   lot,  and the boys thanked me for an experience
 they'll never forget.
(I think they'll be back) . That's what it's
 all about for me...


 Stay Warm :-)


  Regards,


 -Francois
   Rivard
 1990 34+ "Take
   Five"
 Lake Lanier,
   Georgia
























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