Re: Stus-List sail question
Hi Joe, To cross the ocean, I had a 130% genoa specifically cut a bit heavier and flatter than a usual 135%. It always worked well, even partially rolled. One feature you may want to discuss with your sailmaker is the height of the clew. I asked for a higher clew for a number of reasons: - I don't have to change the position of the sheet block when partially furling, the angle seems to be always right. - Much better visibility of what is going on to leeward. - Avoiding ocean waves filling in the genoa - Going downwind, the pole is higher. When the boat rolls heavily, the pole is farther away from the water and don't plunge into it. Disadvantage, not as good for racing, but not an issue if you don't race much. The 130% genoa will tack more easily. If well designed, the first rolls basically removes most of the depth and makes the sail flatter. In the end, it makes the genoa looking more like a yankee. The clew does not have to be very high, the clew on mine (for a CC 30) is about 5 feet above deck when the sail is fully opened. For higher winds, the best option is a removable inner forestay with a heavy weather jib (#3, 60%) or blade jib. Antoine (CC 30 Cousin) Le 2015-06-04 à 07:53, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List a écrit : My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Same concept as the Hild 1040 produced back in the 90's. It does work but you can't escape the sail raising further off the deck as it is furled. As always, depends on your needs, wallet, local conditions, etc. your mileage may vary. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Kappa Sails, in Westbrook Connecticut has a patented genoa that furls from a 150 down to a 100 without losing excellent shape, or creating a fat sausage at the luff. The sail is made up of panels of graduated weight, so in heavy wind, you have just heavier material exposed, and the rest of the sail is made of lighter material. It works VERY well. Kappa has designed and built sails for Americas Cup, and hold quite a few patents for sail design. The founder of the company, Clarke Bassett, sails a CC. Bill Bina On 6/4/2015 11:32 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Joe, We have a 135% on our roller furling, which seems to work for us just fine in both racing and cruising. As to roll-in, every sailmaker I’ve talked to has said that a partially-furled sail will drastically reduce the life of that sail — load stress points, reinforced areas, blah, blah, blah. I would suggest keeping it small, but never partially furl. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question No break on the Chesapeake. Gary ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe, We have a 135% on our roller furling, which seems to work for us just fine in both racing and cruising. As to roll-in, every sailmaker I’ve talked to has said that a partially-furled sail will drastically reduce the life of that sail — load stress points, reinforced areas, blah, blah, blah. I would suggest keeping it small, but never partially furl. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question No break on the Chesapeake. Gary ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Kappa Sails, in Westbrook Connecticut has a patented genoa that furls from a 150 down to a 100 without losing excellent shape, or creating a fat sausage at the luff. The sail is made up of panels of graduated weight, so in heavy wind, you have just heavier material exposed, and the rest of the sail is made of lighter material. It works VERY well. Kappa has designed and built sails for Americas Cup, and hold quite a few patents for sail design. The founder of the company, Clarke Bassett, sails a CC. Bill Bina On 6/4/2015 11:32 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: Joe, We have a 135% on our roller furling, which seems to work for us just fine in both racing and cruising. As to roll-in, every sailmaker I’ve talked to has said that a partially-furled sail will drastically reduce the life of that sail — load stress points, reinforced areas, blah, blah, blah. I would suggest keeping it small, but never partially furl. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf Of*Gary Nylander via CnC-List *Sent:*Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:02 AM *To:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:*Gary Nylander *Subject:*Re: Stus-List sail question No break on the Chesapeake. Gary ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
We’ve got a 140% on a roller-furler rig and when we bought it and had old race-crew friends sailing with us it was great. 10 years later with just the two of us, not so much… When the refit is completed, I’m going the same route as Andrew, somewhere in the 110% (+ -) range. And similarly, we’ll be ditching the symmetrical ‘chute and purchasing an asymmetrical in a sock. Should be perfect for us for cruising. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Jun 4, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I find my #3, about 110%, drives my 40 just fine for cruising and it's easy to tack and trim. I have an asymmetric in a sock for light airs off the wind. The sock makes the kite very easy to use by myself. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jun 4, 2015, at 08:15, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: I use a 135% on my LF38 and I think a 130 or 135 is perfect for the bay. By the way, I think I saw your boat on a mooring buoy in Annapolis on Memorial Day weekend--do you have a dark blue hull? Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com http://dainyrays.blogspot.com/ There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource
Richard, Not to my knowledge. But he has so many parts that if what you need is not C C specific, give him a call. FYI. His biz card does not list an email address. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 08:49:34 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: bushma...@aol.com Dave, per your contact, Rudy, at DR Marine, do you happen to know if he has CC specific parts? Thanks Richard 1985 CC 27 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David davidrisc...@msn.com Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:20 am Subject: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource Was referred to a man named Rudy who owns D R marine (Assonet, MA) when I needed to replace my lifelines. Rudy did great work at great prices. (508) 644 3001 His large barn next to his house is full of new hardware he purchased from closed boat manufacturers (Pearson, ODay, Alden etc) and old stock from parts manufacturers (Edson etc.). His prices and service are great and he ships. Might be worth an e-mail to Rudy if you have needs. (I have no interest in D R) David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe, I have the name of a good, local, sailmaker if you are interested. He just did a new number 1 for me and I am quite pleased. And, the price was very right. He does almost all of the sails for the Log Canoes and most of the Mid-shore Stars. Most of his sails are in Dacron. Email me offline if you are interested. gnylan...@atlanticbb.net Gary - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question No break on the Chesapeake. Gary - Original Message - From: Gary Russell via CnC-List To: CC List Cc: Gary Russell Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question Hi Joe, If racing, take a look at where the PHRF break takes place. For my boat the break takes place between 142% and 143%. I chose 142% and that has worked well for me when I downsized from 150% Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II ~~~_/)~~ On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question No break on the Chesapeake. Gary - Original Message - From: Gary Russell via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: C mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com C List Cc: Gary Russell mailto:captnga...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question Hi Joe, If racing, take a look at where the PHRF break takes place. For my boat the break takes place between 142% and 143%. I chose 142% and that has worked well for me when I downsized from 150% Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II ~~~_/)~~ On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
No break on the Chesapeake. Gary - Original Message - From: Gary Russell via CnC-List To: CC List Cc: Gary Russell Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question Hi Joe, If racing, take a look at where the PHRF break takes place. For my boat the break takes place between 142% and 143%. I chose 142% and that has worked well for me when I downsized from 150% Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II ~~~_/)~~ On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Sounds like the perfect description of a cutter rig! Richard 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 11:20 am Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question Thanks for all the info so far. Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used. I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape. I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need to go new for this. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Newport
What kind of device is on board that allows this kind of tracking (asks the newbie)? On 06/04/2015 01:11 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Joel on “The Office” seems to have found some wind; he’s keeping up with the big boys! http://yb.tl/a2n2015 Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Newport
Andrew — I believe they’re using YellowBrick trackers: https://www.ybtracking.com/products-yb3 Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Frame via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What kind of device is on board that allows this kind of tracking (asks the newbie)? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource
Was referred to a man named Rudy who owns D R marine (Assonet, MA) when I needed to replace my lifelines. Rudy did great work at great prices. (508) 644 3001 His large barn next to his house is full of new hardware he purchased from closed boat manufacturers (Pearson, ODay, Alden etc) and old stock from parts manufacturers (Edson etc.). His prices and service are great and he ships. Might be worth an e-mail to Rudy if you have needs. (I have no interest in D R) David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Hi Joe, If racing, take a look at where the PHRF break takes place. For my boat the break takes place between 142% and 143%. I chose 142% and that has worked well for me when I downsized from 150% Gary S/V Expresso CC 35 Mk II ~~~_/)~~ On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe: I use a 135% on my LF38 and I think a 130 or 135 is perfect for the bay. By the way, I think I saw your boat on a mooring buoy in Annapolis on Memorial Day weekend--do you have a dark blue hull? Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List sail question
My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe, On my 38, I went even smaller-120%. I don’t race much and if I do I have a 155% that I can use. I have been very pleased with the smaller sail, much easier to handle and still moves the boat very well. With a J measurement of over 16’, the LP of the smaller jib is just over 20’, still a lot of cloth! James “Delaney” CC 38 mk2 Oriental, NC From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Stus-List sail question My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 29-2 stuffing box
I used the Duramax packing, same stuff as discussed in the pbase article. Shaft turns easily, no heat build up and no drips at rest. It is hard to tell what the flow rate is under power, a guess would be a drip every 2 - 5 minutes. After a year I pulled the shaft ( easy to do on a 30 ). No wear or scoring. Shaft is polished where the packing sits but other than that nothing to mention. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 06:13:00 -0700 From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 29-2 stuffing box Message-ID: mailman.12.1433347202.24222.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed Good correction Robert. I should have said, ... will drip once per minute... (phew, metric still gets me sometimes :) And yeah, this guy does a great job of presenting boat chores information. Cheers, Russ At 06:00 AM 03/06/2015, Robert wrote: Great site on how to repack a traditional stuffing box. Bev, as for the size of the packing material, it depends on the diameter of the prop shaft.as the article stated, I used three strands of 3/16 flax on a 1 diameter shaft.? However, mine does not drip at the rate anywhere near where Russ has stated 'one drip per second at running speed'...mine drips about two drops per minute. When I was repacking, I placed the three strands of flax into the packing nut but then could not get it to thread.if this happens to you, tipput two strands in first and compress them..open everything up and then put the third one in and then the packing nut should thread. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe, when I got my roller furler, I bought a new genoa, too. Decided on a 150 since it's the Chesapeake. Have only reefed the foresail a couple of times in the last 4 years. Probably should have a few more times, though. By the way, ran into Richard Kinder, previous owner, on the Wye River over Memorial Day weekend. He said to say hello. It was fun to see two Pradel's anchored next to each other, totally serendipitous! Chris Price Pradel 35 Mk I - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 7:53:53 AM Subject: Stus-List sail question My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Anchor Size
Rick - That's a 25 kg Rocna, or 55 pounds. With 300 feet of chain that's a lot of weight in the bow, but I removed the 40 gallon water tank in the V Berth and converted that area to storage, so the boat still sits on its lines. Wal Rick wrote: Is that 55kg Rocna? with 300 ft of chain? I wrote: As Rick and others have said, 35 pounds should work for your stated use. I used a 35 Delta in SF Bay for years, although the bottom there was sticky mud. For long term cruising I have a 55 Rocna with 300 feet of chain, and that has held in 50 with gusts to 70. But that's a different use. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
I find my #3, about 110%, drives my 40 just fine for cruising and it's easy to tack and trim. I have an asymmetric in a sock for light airs off the wind. The sock makes the kite very easy to use by myself. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jun 4, 2015, at 08:15, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joe: I use a 135% on my LF38 and I think a 130 or 135 is perfect for the bay. By the way, I think I saw your boat on a mooring buoy in Annapolis on Memorial Day weekend--do you have a dark blue hull? Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource
Dave, per your contact, Rudy, at DR Marine, do you happen to know if he has CC specific parts? Thanks Richard 1985 CC 27 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David davidrisc...@msn.com Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:20 am Subject: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource Was referred to a man named Rudy who owns D R marine (Assonet, MA) when I needed to replace my lifelines. Rudy did great work at great prices. (508) 644 3001 His large barn next to his house is full of new hardware he purchased from closed boat manufacturers (Pearson, ODay, Alden etc) and old stock from parts manufacturers (Edson etc.). His prices and service are great and he ships. Might be worth an e-mail to Rudy if you have needs. (I have no interest in D R) David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource
Richard, Have you tried South Shore Yachts in Ontario? southshoreyachts.com They have a huge stockpile of CC stuff, are helpful and ship fast. I got the gasket materials to rebuild my extruded aluminum portlights from them. Couldn't find that stuff anywhere. Rudy is great, too. He is about 15 minutes from me, and I've sourced old O'Day DaySailor parts from him in the past. His barn is like a gold mine of older parts and equipment. Good luck, Chuck B CC 34 Elusive Somerset, MA On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dave, per your contact, Rudy, at DR Marine, do you happen to know if he has CC specific parts? Thanks Richard 1985 CC 27 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David davidrisc...@msn.com Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:20 am Subject: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource Was referred to a man named Rudy who owns D R marine (Assonet, MA) when I needed to replace my lifelines. Rudy did great work at great prices. (508) 644 3001 His large barn next to his house is full of new hardware he purchased from closed boat manufacturers (Pearson, ODay, Alden etc) and old stock from parts manufacturers (Edson etc.). His prices and service are great and he ships. Might be worth an e-mail to Rudy if you have needs. (I have no interest in D R) David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sail question
Joe: I would take into consideration the conditions you usually sail in to help determine the size of the jib. Our boat came with lots of sails but no #2. For the first 2 seasons, we sailed with a radial cut 150% dacron. Many days here in the Summer, the wind is out of the SW and averages around 15 knts (true) by mid afternoon. I found the 150% to be too much sail most days. Sold 3 sails (main, 150% cross cut dacron, and a new 155% North 3DL) and then had the Doyle loft here produce an 8.3 oz. dacron 135%.good for 23 knts true says the sail makerI don't think I have ever pushed it that hard. The 135% provides for a much more comfortable day on the water without any loss of power. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-06-04 8:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote: My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape. So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
