Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
I would seal it with West Epoxy and if it's in a structurally important area I'd sand out a bevel and add a few layers of glass. It didn't need to be pretty. Cheers. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List waterproof iPad covers
+1 on the LifeProof cases; I have one on an iPad Mini and had my iPhone 4s in one as well. I guess now that I’ve upgraded to an iPhone 6, I’ll need another. The cases did well to Bermuda, and around the Great Lakes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 4, 2015, at 12:19 PM, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used LifeProof iPad and iPhone cases all last summer full time cruising Lake Huron. I have a cradle on a ram mount for the phone. I am now buying a cradle and ram mount for the iPad The white colour case stays much cooler in the sun. The Fre has a built in screen protector and works well. I have a Nuud on the phone which I prefer for weight and feel. Don V34 NCYC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
I think the recommendation to seal it out with epoxy is not a good idea unless the future repair is certain to be made with epoxy as well. As I understand it, the common polyester resin does not stick properly to epoxy, making more work for whoever does the later repair if they do the repair using polyester resin. Ken H. On 5 July 2015 at 15:31, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would seal it with West Epoxy and if it's in a structurally important area I'd sand out a bevel and add a few layers of glass. It didn't need to be pretty. Cheers. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
Ken's statement is my understanding also but aside from the possibility that a gelcoat finish won't adhere, I can't understand why anyone would use polyester OR vinylester resin for a repair. Besides when you go to do the job right you're going to grind out all the epoxy anyway to feather in a proper layup. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 5, 2015 3:23 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think the recommendation to seal it out with epoxy is not a good idea unless the future repair is certain to be made with epoxy as well. As I understand it, the common polyester resin does not stick properly to epoxy, making more work for whoever does the later repair if they do the repair using polyester resin. Ken H. On 5 July 2015 at 15:31, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would seal it with West Epoxy and if it's in a structurally important area I'd sand out a bevel and add a few layers of glass. It didn't need to be pretty. Cheers. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List waterproof iPad covers
+2 I used LifeProof iPad and iPhone cases all last summer full time cruising Lake Huron. I have a cradle on a ram mount for the phone. I am now buying a cradle and ram mount for the iPad The white colour case stays much cooler in the sun. Big note here! The Fre has a built in screen protector and works well. I have a Nuud on the phone which I prefer for weight and feel. Don V34 NCYC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Club Racing West Coast of Michigan
Hello, My wife and I will be in the Holland area Tuesday 7/28 through Thursday 7/30 and are interested in crewing on a boat (preferably a CC) on all or any of these days. It appears that there are races each evening out of MBYC, Bayshore YC and Southhaven YC. Might anyone be racing and need crew? Or perhaps any tips on finding a ride? My wife and I are in our early 60's, fit and experienced. We actively club race our CC 32 in Metro Detroit on Lake St. Clair. Michael Clow Desire http://desiresailing.org/ , CC 32, Lake St. Clair ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I can't understand why anyone would use polyester OR vinylester resin for a repair. I do it quite often. Vinylester resin works as well as epoxy and avoids the compatibility issues. It's also cheaper. But like you said, if you're going to grind it all out anyway, epoxy works fine. I think the proportioned pumps make epoxy easier to use. . 5 strokes of epoxy resin, 5 strokes of epoxy hardener. Almost foolproof. Vinylester resin mixing takes more thought and technique. I learned long ago, when mixing MEKP into vinylester resin or gelcoat, go METRIC or use a scale. Mixing 100 grams resin? Add 1.5-2 ml MEKP. Done. The math is so much easier than 19 drops per ounce or whatever using English measures. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Transatlantic Race - big guys are off
Comanche and Rambler started today with the two multihulls. Just now they were running 17.9 and 17 knots respectively. The multihull Phaedo was doing 25.2 knots. Wow! http://yb.tl/transatlantic2015 Dennis C. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
Sorry about that... What happened? Cheers, Aaron 79 30-1 Admiral Maggie Annapolis, MD On Jul 5, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
I've got a potential soft spot under the starboard genoa track.If it turns out to be more than where the bolts go through, what's the layback ratio for laying up the new glass?I'm figuring to try and cut out the skin of the deck with a vibrating saw like D suggested.RonWild CheriCC 30-1STL From: Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I can't understand why anyone would use polyester OR vinylester resin for a repair. I do it quite often. Vinylester resin works as well as epoxy and avoids the compatibility issues. It's also cheaper. But like you said, if you're going to grind it all out anyway, epoxy works fine. I think the proportioned pumps make epoxy easier to use. . 5 strokes of epoxy resin, 5 strokes of epoxy hardener. Almost foolproof. Vinylester resin mixing takes more thought and technique. I learned long ago, when mixing MEKP into vinylester resin or gelcoat, go METRIC or use a scale. Mixing 100 grams resin? Add 1.5-2 ml MEKP. Done. The math is so much easier than 19 drops per ounce or whatever using English measures. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas
Gelcoat won’t stick to epoxy, so unless you intend to repaint the boat in the near future don’t use epoxy. Dennis C can wade in on the subject, but in my experience it will take just about the same amount of time to do a patch with epoxy as it will to do a repair with polyester and gelcoat…. So why do it twice? I recently did repairs on a CC 29 that had a long (but shallow) gash in the topsides, a spot where the port stern cleat had been torn out of the deck and a shoddy attempt made at a repair, and two areas in the deck where lifeline stanchions had done damage resulting in a leak. In all I had about 6-7 hours of grinding and glass work to lay up patches and restore the gelcoat spread over 4 days, with more than half of the time spent in matching, applying, and smoothing out the gelcoat. Do the job once, but do it right. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:59 PM To: CC List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Damage to fibreglas Ken's statement is my understanding also but aside from the possibility that a gelcoat finish won't adhere, I can't understand why anyone would use polyester OR vinylester resin for a repair. Besides when you go to do the job right you're going to grind out all the epoxy anyway to feather in a proper layup. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 5, 2015 3:23 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think the recommendation to seal it out with epoxy is not a good idea unless the future repair is certain to be made with epoxy as well. As I understand it, the common polyester resin does not stick properly to epoxy, making more work for whoever does the later repair if they do the repair using polyester resin. Ken H. On 5 July 2015 at 15:31, Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I would seal it with West Epoxy and if it's in a structurally important area I'd sand out a bevel and add a few layers of glass. It didn't need to be pretty. Cheers. Brent 27-5 Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I put a hole in several layers of fibreglas about a foot above the waterline in the side of my boat. As it may take some time before repairs are made, should I seal the glass to prevent water from getting in the layup? If so what should I use? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury Portland, Or ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
