Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete. He drowned in Clam Bay when he fell overboard after consuming a few pints of rum. Legend says he only comes out on breezy nights. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
Dennis, where the hell did you come up with that? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 31 July 2015 at 21:04, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete. He drowned in Clam Bay when he fell overboard after consuming a few pints of rum. Legend says he only comes out on breezy nights. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
I have experienced the same hum, rattle, and shake on 3 different CC's over many years of PNW sailing both t anchor and tied to pier. It is my best guess that a cross wind of just the right angle and strength will create the harmonics needed to rattle and shake the rig. I have tried many different combos of more/less baby stay, back stay, side loads etc to alleviate the shaking. On the 1980 CC 36 I found a line run aft from the bow, tied around the mast 6' up from the deck reduced the shaking considerably. On Calypso (much larger mast section) the shaking was easier to reduce with more baby stay and back stay tension plus securing the burgee and courtesy flag (when in BC). The burgee and courtesy flags seemed to initiate some of the rig shaking. If your rig has both fore and aft lower shrouds (Calypso and the 36 do/did not) changing the tension a bit on those rig elements may be worth a try. Martin Calypso 1971 CC43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Jim Watts via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:26 PM To: 1 CnC List Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Stus-List Howling rigging On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
In your part of the world I would be wondering if Cascadia was getting warmed up when things start to shake and vibrate. Of course a sailboat might not be the worst place to be during the next mega-thrust tsunami. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Jim Watts via CnC-List To: 1 CnC List Cc: Jim Watts Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 22:26 Subject: Stus-List Howling rigging On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
It’s just like a blown muffler on your car. You need a bigger stereo. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On Jul 31, 2015, at 19:26, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Howling rigging
On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
now this guy appears to have managed to list his CC 30 twice! http://www.ebay.com/sch/dmidkiff16cll/m.html?item=271942365606forcerrptr=truehash=item3f510731a6rt=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2562 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
Some Ebay ads are deliberate fraud. The perpetrators are after the electronic transfer of an immediate down payment, among other things. I have in the past spotted ads on Ebay with pictures taken from Yachtworld, but with different particulars and a much lower price. I reported them and they soon disappeared. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: Peter Fell via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 20:30 Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? now this guy appears to have managed to list his CC 30 twice! http://www.ebay.com/sch/dmidkiff16cll/m.html?item=271942365606forcerrptr=truehash=item3f510731a6rt=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2562 -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall Upgrades
Of the Raymarine wheel pilots with which I’ve had experience, I think the Autohelm/Raymarine 3000 was the most reliable and easiest to operate. Wish I could still get one for my 38….. or maybe a Navico WP30…. Or a backup for my current Navico 5000. The belt from the wheel to the drive unit is inconvenient, and needs replacing every second or third year, but the unit is simple, reliable, and more than strong enough for my 15000 pound boat. And just keeps going and going. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:23 PM To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Daniel Sheer dansh...@yahoo.com Subject: Stus-List Landfall Upgrades I have an old, old, AutoHelm 3000 mounted to Pegathy's wheel. I thought it would barely work when I bought the boat, and that I'd replace it very quickly. WRONG! It works amazingly well with one exception, large, confused following seas. Once I balance the boat the 3000 keeps a heading amazingly well. Long trips from Charleston to Beaufort NC and from Cape May to Block Island have proved its worth. I've gone through 4 belts in four years, though. And sometimes getting the right sensitivity setting is crucial. Dan Sheer Pegathy - LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List WindCheck (Long Isand Sound) Article Online re CC Rendezvous
http://www.windcheckmagazine.com/fourth_annual_c_c_yachts_northeast_rendezvous_to_be_in_clinton_ct_september_11_13_2015 http://www.windcheckmagazine.com/fourth_annual_c_c_yachts_northeast_rendezvous_to_be_in_clinton_ct_september_11_13_2015 All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List mast tuning
I took a good look at my furler, mast, shrouds and stays yesterday preparatory to trying to do some mast tuning. I am unsure as to the best way of going about this process and could use some advice. I found that I was raked somewhere between 18 and 24 inches aft, which is much too far by all accounts, so I want to bring the mast back to 6-12 inches. I have read the guides, but it is the specifics of different mast/shroud/stay combinations is what I am unsure about. It was more straightforward on my previous 34. My mast has no adjustment possible at the base or through deck unlike my old one. As near as I can tell, it is all done with shrouds and stays. The backstay is a split wire with a pinching car that runs up and down to control backstay tension. The backstay wires runs to two turnbuckles on the transom. The spreaders are only slightly swept back but the rod shrouds run to a position just behind the mast. One runs to the top of the mast and the other part way up, both passing through the same point on the lower spreader. The top ones are extremely tight, with no flex/sag on the leeward side when sailing upwind. The lowers are a bit less tight but still no sag. There is a third rod, which I am forgetting where it terminates on the mast, but presumably lower down. Forestay is on a Harken furler. So how to proceed (or wait for the Rendezvous and get all the great minds together for a tuning session!) 1. Should I disconnect the backstay before doing anything with the shrouds? The car on the split stay can only go so high without running out of wire, so even at its topmost position, it is putting some tension on the backstay. I can tie another line to it and let it run up further but it makes more sense to me to remove them altogether or loosen the turnbuckles as much as possible. 2. Presumably, I would then loosen all the shrouds and then tighten the bolt on the furler to bring the mast forward, then recheck rake after tightening the shrouds somewhat? 3. After adjusting rake, how would the tension of the backstay be adjusted? Presumably minimal tension with the car at its topmost position?The tightness of those turnbuckles is going to affect the amount of tension the adjuster is able to generate, so that would seem an important adjustment, but I have not seen any guide to how to set that. 4. When to check the rake? With the backstay loose/disconnected or in its nominal highest position? 5. One thought I have had is that before doing any of the above actions, I should recheck the rake with the backstay removed just to see if it makes any significant difference. I know they were removed to take the boat out of the water last fall and again in the spring, so how the yard guys re-tensioned them I have no idea and I have not further adjusted them. Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com *Sent: *Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Josh We run a much longer and smaller diameter line than that which came in our 4:1 purchase on our check stays. We ease it out and the boom can extend as far as we wish downwind without running the check stays forward. When we harden up or gybe we just haul the line back in. Seems to work well. Our setup sounds very similar to yours Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:11 PM To: CC List; Chuck S Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.commailto:muckl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List mast tuning
David, I'm not sure you can change the rake without shortening the headstay or moving the foot. I think it is usually shortening the headstay. Why do you want to change the the rake? Too much weather helm? Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 31, 2015 11:59 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I took a good look at my furler, mast, shrouds and stays yesterday preparatory to trying to do some mast tuning. I am unsure as to the best way of going about this process and could use some advice. I found that I was raked somewhere between 18 and 24 inches aft, which is much too far by all accounts, so I want to bring the mast back to 6-12 inches. I have read the guides, but it is the specifics of different mast/shroud/stay combinations is what I am unsure about. It was more straightforward on my previous 34. My mast has no adjustment possible at the base or through deck unlike my old one. As near as I can tell, it is all done with shrouds and stays. The backstay is a split wire with a pinching car that runs up and down to control backstay tension. The backstay wires runs to two turnbuckles on the transom. The spreaders are only slightly swept back but the rod shrouds run to a position just behind the mast. One runs to the top of the mast and the other part way up, both passing through the same point on the lower spreader. The top ones are extremely tight, with no flex/sag on the leeward side when sailing upwind. The lowers are a bit less tight but still no sag. There is a third rod, which I am forgetting where it terminates on the mast, but presumably lower down. Forestay is on a Harken furler. So how to proceed (or wait for the Rendezvous and get all the great minds together for a tuning session!) 1. Should I disconnect the backstay before doing anything with the shrouds? The car on the split stay can only go so high without running out of wire, so even at its topmost position, it is putting some tension on the backstay. I can tie another line to it and let it run up further but it makes more sense to me to remove them altogether or loosen the turnbuckles as much as possible. 2. Presumably, I would then loosen all the shrouds and then tighten the bolt on the furler to bring the mast forward, then recheck rake after tightening the shrouds somewhat? 3. After adjusting rake, how would the tension of the backstay be adjusted? Presumably minimal tension with the car at its topmost position? The tightness of those turnbuckles is going to affect the amount of tension the adjuster is able to generate, so that would seem an important adjustment, but I have not seen any guide to how to set that. 4. When to check the rake? With the backstay loose/disconnected or in its nominal highest position? 5. One thought I have had is that before doing any of the above actions, I should recheck the rake with the backstay removed just to see if it makes any significant difference. I know they were removed to take the boat out of the water last fall and again in the spring, so how the yard guys re-tensioned them I have no idea and I have not further adjusted them. Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer is not serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding advertising it on eBay. The boat is not advertised in the proper category, Motors - Boats - Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles - Advertising Memorabilia - etc. That's not where I go to look at boats. Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you to question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks like it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious about selling it. Steve Staten Langley, OK C'est La Vie CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Darn may not ship to Canada. It's always the case! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
Steve, you looked at the boat in person, or you looked at the ad? I would hope you'd give us more info if you looked at the boat! And you know, people die and family is left to deal with their things .. this could be that type of situation. Who knows. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer is not serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding advertising it on eBay. The boat is not advertised in the proper category, Motors - Boats - Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles - Advertising Memorabilia - etc. That's not where I go to look at boats. Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you to question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks like it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious about selling it. Steve Staten Langley, OK C'est La Vie CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Darn may not ship to Canada. It's always the case! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
Look up Tacoma Narrows bridge. It's not the wind speed but a frequency oscillation of the wind that might excite the natural frequency of the rig. Neil Schiller 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (CC 35, Mark I) Corsair Retired Mechanical Engineer On 7/31/2015 10:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
I think there are supposed to be spacers or insulators where the rod passes through the spreader. If you've lost one the rob can rattle. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 31, 2015 10:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Howling rigging
*Rod can rattle On Jul 31, 2015 10:59 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are supposed to be spacers or insulators where the rod passes through the spreader. If you've lost one the rob can rattle. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 31, 2015 10:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay. I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. Any explanation except witchcraft? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
No, I just looked at the eBay ad. I live quite far from there. You are right about the possibility of next-of-kin being left with a mess to clean up. It wouldn’t surprise me to someday see a Gutenberg bible offered on eBay in ‘Pet Supplies’ with the bid starting at $1. I am just now wrapping up my mother’s and brother’s estates. It had real moments of drudgery. My ex-sister-in-law thoughtfully looted my brother’s storage unit and tossed his valuable LP record collection in the dumpster. Perhaps this boat wouldn’t fit in a dumpster… Steve Staten Langley, OK C’Est La Vie CC 27 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 5:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stevan Plavsa Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Steve, you looked at the boat in person, or you looked at the ad? I would hope you'd give us more info if you looked at the boat! And you know, people die and family is left to deal with their things .. this could be that type of situation. Who knows. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer is not serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding advertising it on eBay. The boat is not advertised in the proper category, Motors - Boats - Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles - Advertising Memorabilia - etc. That's not where I go to look at boats. Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you to question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks like it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious about selling it. Steve Staten Langley, OK C'est La Vie CC 27 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Darn may not ship to Canada. It's always the case! Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
