Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[D Harben via CnC-List]

> Hi Steve,
   I moved from Oakville to the North Channel. My thinking was that a long 
drive rather then multi day sailing trip had me sailing longer and cheaper 
where I wanted to be. I pay 20% of the boat fees that I paid in Oakville. 
Boating services were close to $5,000 year. In Spragge at NCYC I am under 
$1,100 for my V33 

Don
V34
Spragge ON
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Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

A light coating of Joy or some other dish washing soap over the entire exterior 
of you boat will make cleaning off any road dirt much simpler.  Also watch for 
any possible chafing from the tie downs.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


> On Oct 1, 2015, at 7:04 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:04:00 -0400
> From: "Richard N. Bush" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
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> 
> 
> Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances; assuming 
> your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things you should 
> do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is secured, tied, 
> taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for insurance 
> purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will wrap the mast 
> and all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the rudder wont 
> move during transport.  Sometimes they will want the electronics removed from 
> the binnacle...   I have found that upon completion of the delivery, the 
> truck drivers appreciate a tip when they do a good job, (actually all of the 
> time), so have a little cash ready; then enjoy the experience; its really 
> something to see your boat going down the highway at 60+ mph! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
> 
> Richard N. Bush 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
> Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> Suhana is moving!
> I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake 
> Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a 
> row and really want to get up to the North Channel. 
> 
> 
> I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm 
> bringing her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down 
> and hauling. The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded 
> cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina where 
> their travel lift will bring her down and onto the cradle. The trucking co 
> told me to keep my cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them 
> when they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm sure there are 
> things I'm not considering! Anyone have any recommendations or things to 
> consider when trucking a boat? Mast lays down alongside the boat on their 
> trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my stanchions and lifelines 
> just because. 
> 
> 
> Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be landing. 
> Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be great to have 
> a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'll second the coating with dish soap. Just wipe it on neat.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A light coating of Joy or some other dish washing soap over the entire
> exterior of you boat will make cleaning off any road dirt much simpler.
> Also watch for any possible chafing from the tie downs.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2015, at 7:04 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:04:00 -0400
> > From: "Richard N. Bush" 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
> > Message-ID:
> ><8d2ca692810ae5f-211c-38...@webmailstg-vd08.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances;
> assuming your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things
> you should do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is
> secured, tied, taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for
> insurance purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will
> wrap the mast and all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the
> rudder wont move during transport.  Sometimes they will want the
> electronics removed from the binnacle...   I have found that upon
> completion of the delivery, the truck drivers appreciate a tip when they do
> a good job, (actually all of the time), so have a little cash ready; then
> enjoy the experience; its really something to see your boat going down the
> highway at 60+ mph!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard
> > 1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
> >
> > Richard N. Bush
> > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> > 502-584-7255
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> > To: cnc-list 
> > Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
> > Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
> > Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> > Suhana is moving!
> > I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to
> Lake Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years
> in a row and really want to get up to the North Channel.
> >
> >
> > I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm
> bringing her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down
> and hauling. The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
> cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina
> where their travel lift will bring her down and onto the cradle. The
> trucking co told me to keep my cradle pads in the locker so that they can
> get at them when they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
> sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have any recommendations
> or things to consider when trucking a boat? Mast lays down alongside the
> boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my
> stanchions and lifelines just because.
> >
> >
> > Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be
> landing. Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be
> great to have a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > Suhana, C 32
> > Toronto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Email address:
>
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Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Suhana is moving!
I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake
Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a
row and really want to get up to the North Channel.

I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm
bringing her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down
and hauling. The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina
where their travel lift will bring her down and onto the cradle. The
trucking co told me to keep my cradle pads in the locker so that they can
get at them when they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have any recommendations
or things to consider when trucking a boat? Mast lays down alongside the
boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my
stanchions and lifelines just because.

Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be
landing. Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be
great to have a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.

Cheers,
Steve

Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances; assuming 
your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things you should 
do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is secured, tied, 
taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for insurance 
purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will wrap the mast and 
all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the rudder wont move 
during transport.  Sometimes they will want the electronics removed from the 
binnacle...   I have found that upon completion of the delivery, the truck 
drivers appreciate a tip when they do a good job, (actually all of the time), 
so have a little cash ready; then enjoy the experience; its really something to 
see your boat going down the highway at 60+ mph! 

 


Richard
1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay


Hi All,


Suhana is moving!
I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake 
Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a row 
and really want to get up to the North Channel. 


I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm bringing 
her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. 
The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded cradle. From there 
they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina where their travel lift 
will bring her down and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my 
cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when they are there, but 
aside from that, no other tips. I'm sure there are things I'm not considering! 
Anyone have any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a boat? 
Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking 
about removing my stanchions and lifelines just because. 


Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be landing. 
Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a 
brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.


Cheers,
Steve


Suhana, C 32
Toronto




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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Can you buy the adhesive plastic sheeting that they put on new cars that
are being trucked?  That would protect from small stones etc.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'll second the coating with dish soap. Just wipe it on neat.
>
> Andy
> C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A light coating of Joy or some other dish washing soap over the entire
>> exterior of you boat will make cleaning off any road dirt much simpler.
>> Also watch for any possible chafing from the tie downs.
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 1, 2015, at 7:04 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:04:00 -0400
>> > From: "Richard N. Bush" 
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
>> > Message-ID:
>> ><8d2ca692810ae5f-211c-38...@webmailstg-vd08.sysops.aol.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances;
>> assuming your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things
>> you should do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is
>> secured, tied, taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for
>> insurance purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will
>> wrap the mast and all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the
>> rudder wont move during transport.  Sometimes they will want the
>> electronics removed from the binnacle...   I have found that upon
>> completion of the delivery, the truck drivers appreciate a tip when they do
>> a good job, (actually all of the time), so have a little cash ready; then
>> enjoy the experience; its really something to see your boat going down the
>> highway at 60+ mph!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard
>> > 1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
>> >
>> > Richard N. Bush
>> > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>> > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
>> > 502-584-7255
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> > To: cnc-list 
>> > Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
>> > Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
>> > Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> >
>> > Suhana is moving!
>> > I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to
>> Lake Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years
>> in a row and really want to get up to the North Channel.
>> >
>> >
>> > I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm
>> bringing her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down
>> and hauling. The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
>> cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina
>> where their travel lift will bring her down and onto the cradle. The
>> trucking co told me to keep my cradle pads in the locker so that they can
>> get at them when they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
>> sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have any recommendations
>> or things to consider when trucking a boat? Mast lays down alongside the
>> boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my
>> stanchions and lifelines just because.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be
>> landing. Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be
>> great to have a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> > Suhana, C 32
>> > Toronto
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
>> >
>> > Email address:
>>
>> ___
>>
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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Peter Delean via CnC-List]

>
>
> Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
>
> Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be
> landing. Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be
> great to have a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
> -



Yes Steve. There are Forum members at Bay Moorings. Been there for 3 years
now. There are some that have been there for 30 years!

Great place, good people. Lots of C's. You'll feel right at home.

Peter Delean
Drifter II. C 30 Mk1
Penetanguishene, ON



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Re: Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[Doug Allardyce via CnC-List]

Dave,
A fellow club member with a 33-2 had big problems with his mast step to the 
point that he couldn't keep his rig tight. He did allot of rebuilding inside 
the boat, including the cavity under the step that is filled with high density 
foam. After 30+ years it breaks down and you can't get proper torque on the 
leading keel bolt. If you have the "smile" on the leading portion of the keel 
where it beds up against the fiberglass hull, I would guess that you no longer 
have the support under the mast step that you need, and tightening the keel 
bolt just starts to compress the step adding to the problem. This has been a 
common issue on several C models. I have a 35-3 that needed repair for that 
reason. Not an easy fix, but it can be done. If you want to share you email 
address, I will send you pictures of the my 35-3 fix.

Doug

 _/)~~~_/)  

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Dave Syer via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer
Subject: Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited


Hi All,

So I checked the various posts and photos available, and chatted with one 
lister, but I have yet to see a really clear description of outright failure of 
the mast step area, other than repeat references to the 33ii collapsing mast 
step syndrome, and the assertion that the construction is inadequate.  So, I 
took my (unfailed) boat apart, 'cuz, well, that's what I do...  

The mast sits in a rectangular cast-alloy base, that is longer and wider than 
the mast itself.  This allows mostly for shimming fore and aft to adjust mast 
rake.  
The alloy base sits on the 'glass liner, which sits on a piece of 3/4"plywood, 
which sits on a pile of putty,(bog) which sits on a built up section of glass 
where one of the keel bolts penetrates and on a fabricated fiberglass 
cross-member spans the bilge, athwartships. This cross-member (aka "floor 
timber") is a hollow fiberglass beam which is semi-elliptical in section.  
(like an inverted trough.)  It is part of the "spider" or whatever they called 
it, which stiffens the hull.
 
The mast is still stepped, so I can't yet go further, but for now I can see 
three areas of potential failure: 
 
1: The wood can deteriorate allowing the mast to settle by its thickness, 
2: the putty could fracture crumble, move, fail, - ditto, 
3: worst of all, the cross-member could conceivably collapse, allowing the mast 
to settle by some portion of its height.  This would not be good

If my mast step has settled, it's not by much.   To me, the wood and putty part 
is kind of cheesy,  and I'll re-do that anyway because it bugs me and I think 
wood in a wet place is bad news.   The crossmember looks really strong, and 
while I have this apart I could get clever and reinforce it, but it may be 
totally unnecessary.   

Has anyone actually observed the mode of this particular failure?  Can anyone 
confirm that this crossmember has been a failure point in normal use and has 
contributed to this purported flaw in the boat?

Thanks!  Dave

BTW, I will document and post this work for the benefit of future generations.  

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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Ditto on removing the Instruments AND any part they sticks up over 13'

The worlds smartest man had the presence of mind to remove his chartplotter
from the pod above the binnacle, but not the Pedestal Guard with the custom
made Pod.

To paraphrase Richard, "It's really something to see your boat going down
the highway and blow through an intersection with low hanging traffic
signals and watch your Beautiful SS MFD case smack the signals horizontal"!

 

As my dad used to tell me, "Too soon old, too late smart"

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
N. Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

 

Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances; assuming
your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things you should
do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is secured, tied,
taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for insurance
purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will wrap the mast
and all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the rudder wont
move during transport.  Sometimes they will want the electronics removed
from the binnacle...   I have found that upon completion of the delivery,
the truck drivers appreciate a tip when they do a good job, (actually all of
the time), so have a little cash ready; then enjoy the experience; its
really something to see your boat going down the highway at 60+ mph! 

 

Richard

1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

Hi All, 

 

Suhana is moving!

I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake
Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a
row and really want to get up to the North Channel. 

 

I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm
bringing her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down
and hauling. The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina
where their travel lift will bring her down and onto the cradle. The
trucking co told me to keep my cradle pads in the locker so that they can
get at them when they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have any recommendations
or things to consider when trucking a boat? Mast lays down alongside the
boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my
stanchions and lifelines just because. 

 

Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be
landing. Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be
great to have a brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.

 

Cheers,

Steve

 

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

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Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

The folks at Andrews Trucking head quartered in Niagara on the Lake, 
the outfit that brought Alera out from Niagara on the Lake to Seattle 
for me and also did the majority of the North American deliveries of 
all C7C's made there, recommended against the wrap.  They felt that 
if it came loose the potential damage far outweighed the benefit.


Tom B

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:38:14 -0400
From: Joel Aronson 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
Message-ID:

Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Steve, 

We keep Crazy Legs at Midland Bay Sailing Club. About 5 minutes south of Bay 
Moorings by car! I have been sailing out of Midland for at least 20 years. And 
going to the north channel for about 25 years. The north channel is an 
exceptional destination. We brought our boat up by water from Port Credit and 
it was a 5 or 6 day trip. We haven't trucked a boat but will be glad to talk 
Georgian Bay when you get up here.
Len

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Re: Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dave,

At least the mast is not in the bilge like on my Pearson!

I have not done a mast step repair, but there may be plywood under the
fiberglass cross member (partner?).  If the rig tension does not change
over time, your mast step is still solid.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> So I checked the various posts and photos available, and chatted with one
> lister, but I have yet to see a really clear description of outright
> failure of the mast step area, other than repeat references to the 33ii
> collapsing mast step syndrome, and the assertion that the construction is
> inadequate.  So, I took my (unfailed) boat apart, 'cuz, well, that's what I
> do...
>
> The mast sits in a rectangular cast-alloy base, that is longer and wider
> than the mast itself.  This allows mostly for shimming fore and aft to
> adjust mast rake.
> The alloy base sits on the 'glass liner, which sits on a piece of
> 3/4"plywood, which sits on a pile of putty,(bog) which sits on a built up
> section of glass where one of the keel bolts penetrates and on a fabricated
> fiberglass cross-member spans the bilge, athwartships. This cross-member
> (aka "floor timber") is a hollow fiberglass beam which is semi-elliptical
> in section.  (like an inverted trough.)  It is part of the "spider" or
> whatever they called it, which stiffens the hull.
>
> The mast is still stepped, so I can't yet go further, but for now I can
> see three areas of potential failure:
>
> 1: The wood can deteriorate allowing the mast to settle by its thickness,
> 2: the putty could fracture crumble, move, fail, - ditto,
> 3: worst of all, the cross-member could conceivably collapse, allowing the
> mast to settle by some portion of its height.  This would not be good
>
> If my mast step has settled, it's not by much.   To me, the wood and putty
> part is kind of cheesy,  and I'll re-do that anyway because it bugs me and
> I think wood in a wet place is bad news.   The crossmember looks really
> strong, and while I have this apart I could get clever and reinforce it,
> but it may be totally unnecessary.
>
> Has anyone actually observed the mode of this particular failure?  Can
> anyone confirm that this crossmember has been a failure point in normal use
> and has contributed to this purported flaw in the boat?
>
> Thanks!  Dave
>
> BTW, I will document and post this work for the benefit of future
> generations.
>
>
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Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Hi All,

So I checked the various posts and photos available, and chatted with one
lister, but I have yet to see a really clear description of outright
failure of the mast step area, other than repeat references to the 33ii
collapsing mast step syndrome, and the assertion that the construction is
inadequate.  So, I took my (unfailed) boat apart, 'cuz, well, that's what I
do...

The mast sits in a rectangular cast-alloy base, that is longer and wider
than the mast itself.  This allows mostly for shimming fore and aft to
adjust mast rake.
The alloy base sits on the 'glass liner, which sits on a piece of
3/4"plywood, which sits on a pile of putty,(bog) which sits on a built up
section of glass where one of the keel bolts penetrates and on a fabricated
fiberglass cross-member spans the bilge, athwartships. This cross-member
(aka "floor timber") is a hollow fiberglass beam which is semi-elliptical
in section.  (like an inverted trough.)  It is part of the "spider" or
whatever they called it, which stiffens the hull.

The mast is still stepped, so I can't yet go further, but for now I can see
three areas of potential failure:

1: The wood can deteriorate allowing the mast to settle by its thickness,
2: the putty could fracture crumble, move, fail, - ditto,
3: worst of all, the cross-member could conceivably collapse, allowing the
mast to settle by some portion of its height.  This would not be good

If my mast step has settled, it's not by much.   To me, the wood and putty
part is kind of cheesy,  and I'll re-do that anyway because it bugs me and
I think wood in a wet place is bad news.   The crossmember looks really
strong, and while I have this apart I could get clever and reinforce it,
but it may be totally unnecessary.

Has anyone actually observed the mode of this particular failure?  Can
anyone confirm that this crossmember has been a failure point in normal use
and has contributed to this purported flaw in the boat?

Thanks!  Dave

BTW, I will document and post this work for the benefit of future
generations.
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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Great feedback all! Thank you and I'm thrilled to hear there's listers up
there! I spoke to one gentlemen with a Landfall 39, I think, when we
visited. All the people I spoke to up there were great. Advice heeded!
Tom, interesting you mention Andrew's trucking because they're moving my
boat!!!

I only have an autopilot on the binnacle and I don't think it's taller than
the cabin. I will make sure though!
I was going to remove the stanchions and lifelines just because .. that way
I can simply throw a tarp over it when I get it up there.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The folks at Andrews Trucking head quartered in Niagara on the Lake, the
> outfit that brought Alera out from Niagara on the Lake to Seattle for me
> and also did the majority of the North American deliveries of all C7C's
> made there, recommended against the wrap.  They felt that if it came loose
> the potential damage far outweighed the benefit.
>
> Tom B
>
> At 09:00 AM 10/1/2015, you wrote:
>
> --
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:38:14 -0400
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
> Message-ID:
>  

Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[David Donnelly via CnC-List]

When I moved my 26 from Gimili to Edmonton I left the stantions and lifelines. 
I was planning to take them off but decided against it due to I thought it too 
much work and too risky if something broke. Remember everything is old and may 
never have been removed.
I put a bungee over the lines to the toerail to pull the slack out and 1500 km 
later nothing moved. I move the boat 100 km each way on launch and crane out. I 
have continued the same practice and have no issues.
My $0.02
David Donnelly C 26 Mistress 


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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Steve,

 

Make sure all your hatches and opening windows are dogged down and locked.

I remember travelling through New Brunswick in the rain and seeing a large 
sailboat on a flatbed travelling the other way.

The front hatch was open to the stops and funneling all that rain right into 
the cabin.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 C 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Sent: October-01-15 10:51
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Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

 

Hi All,

 

Suhana is moving!

I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake 
Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a row 
and really want to get up to the North Channel. 

 

I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm bringing 
her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. 
The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded cradle. From there 
they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina where their travel lift 
will bring her down and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my 
cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when they are there, but 
aside from that, no other tips. I'm sure there are things I'm not considering! 
Anyone have any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a boat? 
Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking 
about removing my stanchions and lifelines just because. 

 

Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be landing. 
Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a 
brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.

 

Cheers,

Steve

 

Suhana, C 32

Toronto

 

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine Chartplotter

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'm not the only one behind in the updates - Panbo just posted its review
of Version 14!

www.panbo.com

Joel

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
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> It’s a bit confusing — you need to watch upper- and lower-case when you
> talk about the Raymarine products.  The E80, along with the other E Series
> and all of the older C Series, use an older operating system.  This update
> does NOT apply.
>
> This update is for the newer a Series, c Series, e Series, eS Series and
> gS Series MFDs.  These would include Joel’s e7, along with my a75, the a95,
> etc.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> I have an E7.  Don't know what the E80 will do.
>
> Joel
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Joel, which Raymarine chart plotter do you have that will show laylines?
>> I've got an older Raymarine e80. Do you know if a software upgrade on this
>> unit will provide layline information?
>>
>> Ted Drossos
>> Long Island NY
>> C 110
>> Lady in Red
>>
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Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The Poli-glow folks have a remover, but from another lister, I learned that 
floor stripper works as well and is cheaper. We got Zep heavy duty floor 
stripper from Lowe's. You can dilute it like they do for floors. 

I don't think that wax will bring it back to the luster you would like. We went 
with more Poli-clow.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: johnr 
  Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:47 PM
  Subject: Stus-List Polyglow Removal


  Would appreciate any tips, comments re removal of Polyglow from a boat with 
many years of build up.  Want to replace with wax.  Suggestions there are also 
welcome. 


  John McLaughlin


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Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[johnr via CnC-List]

Would appreciate any tips, comments re removal of Polyglow from a boat with 
many years of build up.  Want to replace with wax.  Suggestions there are also 
welcome.


John McLaughlin
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Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[robert via CnC-List]

Some years back, a fellow club member had a 1985 C 33 IIthe cavity 
under the mast step that is filled with high density foam got 
'contaminated' and the smell was very unpleasant. We tried disinfecting 
with every obvious chemical but to no avail. The cavity had to be 
cleaned out and it was filled with West System resinno small job but 
a necessary one if you wanted to spend any time in the cabin.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-01 1:49 PM, Doug Allardyce via CnC-List wrote:

Dave,
A fellow club member with a 33-2 had big problems with his mast step 
to the point that he couldn't keep his rig tight. He did allot of 
rebuilding inside the boat, including the cavity under the step that 
is filled with high density foam. After 30+ years it breaks down and 
you can't get proper torque on the leading keel bolt. If you have the 
"smile" on the leading portion of the keel where it beds up against 
the fiberglass hull, I would guess that you no longer have the support 
under the mast step that you need, and tightening the keel bolt just 
starts to compress the step adding to the problem. This has been a 
common issue on several C models. I have a 35-3 that needed repair 
for that reason. Not an easy fix, but it can be done. If you want to 
share you email address, I will send you pictures of the my 35-3 fix.


Doug

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-Original Message-
*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]*On Behalf Of 
*Dave Syer via CnC-List

*Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 12:01 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Dave Syer
*Subject:* Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

Hi All,
So I checked the various posts and photos available, and chatted with 
one lister, but I have yet to see a really clear description of 
outright failure of the mast step area, other than repeat references 
to the 33ii collapsing mast step syndrome, and the assertion that the 
construction is inadequate.  So, I took my (unfailed) boat apart, 
'cuz, well, that's what I do...
The mast sits in a rectangular cast-alloy base, that is longer and 
wider than the mast itself.  This allows mostly for shimming fore and 
aft to adjust mast rake.
The alloy base sits on the 'glass liner, which sits on a piece of 
3/4"plywood, which sits on a pile of putty,(bog) which sits on a built 
up section of glass where one of the keel bolts penetrates and on a 
fabricated fiberglass cross-member spans the bilge, athwartships. This 
cross-member (aka "floor timber") is a hollow fiberglass beam which is 
semi-elliptical in section.  (like an inverted trough.)  It is part of 
the "spider" or whatever they called it, which stiffens the hull.
The mast is still stepped, so I can't yet go further, but for now I 
can see three areas of potential failure:

1: The wood can deteriorate allowing the mast to settle by its thickness,
2: the putty could fracture crumble, move, fail, - ditto,
3: worst of all, the cross-member could conceivably collapse, allowing 
the mast to settle by some portion of its height.  This would not be 
good
If my mast step has settled, it's not by much.   To me, the wood and 
putty part is kind of cheesy,  and I'll re-do that anyway because it 
bugs me and I think wood in a wet place is bad news.   The crossmember 
looks really strong, and while I have this apart I could get clever 
and reinforce it, but it may be totally unnecessary.
Has anyone actually observed the mode of this particular failure?  Can 
anyone confirm that this crossmember has been a failure point in 
normal use and has contributed to this purported flaw in the boat?

Thanks!  Dave
BTW, I will document and post this work for the benefit of future 
generations.



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Re: Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

Doug, I would like to see the pics of your 35-iii fix as well

Mike Amirault  amira...@eastlink.ca
C 33 MKii  Lovely Cruise
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Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Gary/John,

 

I have heard through this list that “Purple Power” will remove PoliGlow too.  I 
tried it last year and it didn’t work well, even at nearly full strength.  It 
does clean up greasy engine parts, but not PoliGlow.

 

Jake

 

C 35-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

 

The Poli-glow folks have a remover, but from another lister, I learned that 
floor stripper works as well and is cheaper. We got Zep heavy duty floor 
stripper from Lowe's. You can dilute it like they do for floors. 

 

I don't think that wax will bring it back to the luster you would like. We went 
with more Poli-clow.

 

Gary 

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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[robert via CnC-List]

Our boat was trucked from Racine, Wisconsin to Halifax, Nova Scotia in 
mid March 2006..the boat was not covered or protected in any way 
from the road debris.the mast was wrapped.


The boat was very dirty when it arrived (daaa..mid March road salt & 
debris) but there was no damage to the white gelcoat .a good wash 
down and all looked fine.


The suggestion of coating the hull with liquid soap.hmmmsounds 
like it might be fine.or could it attract and hold onto dirt that 
might normally be blown off?  Don't knowno experience doing it.  You 
still have to give the boat a good wash with it covered in soap.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-01 1:51 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
The folks at Andrews Trucking head quartered in Niagara on the Lake, 
the outfit that brought Alera out from Niagara on the Lake to Seattle 
for me and also did the majority of the North American deliveries of 
all C7C's made there, recommended against the wrap.  They felt that if 
it came loose the potential damage far outweighed the benefit.


Tom B

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:38:14 -0400
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
Message-ID:

Stus-List boat transport

[Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List]

you have got it right..andrews transport is one of best in NAused
 them  more than half dozen timesno problemstrailers  specially
designed to give vessel a safe smooth ride...shipped  macinac  city to
oakville...  midland  to oakvilleannapolis  to north carolina
virginia   to  n carolina   norfolk  to oakville  ...   oakville to
blaine washington...   plus numerous other destinations   with  andrews &
 other shippers   a reputable hauler is what its about if dont  want
any  problems  ...andrews over the years always top notch..highly
recommendedtheir trailers allow boat to sit low as keel fits between
trailer longitudenal stringers..thus 13 feet clearance below overpass
bridges   ... with  your boat beam wont need escort vehicle   ...big
cost saving...  just make sure nothing exceeds 13 ft from road...as for
mast wrap it  with plastic  wrap   then  tape around wrap  every  2 ft.
 have found taking spreaders of mast good ideaon the 41 we take off bow
pulpit so boat height reduced...may not be needed in your case...as far as
hull protection  for shipping dont cover with anything  only cause wear on
boat finish   also dont need  any greasey of other hull protection  not
even waxandrews rigs do not throw up road dirt like some cheap
haulers   AS FOR GEO BAY GREAT CRUISING AREA   christian island
 ,tobemore,lions bay ,owen sound,  then north channel   macinaw island 
great events  etc. then  minomee milwakee  chicago,  and many
other areas in north lake michigan   and onward to  the soo,  sault ste
 marie &  lake superior.  redwing minn  houghton,thunder bay...have now
used up your next 10 cruising yearshave a great cruising adventure
 redline41 1968  c design built bruckmann mfg..tidewater  halifax
 ns  currently cruising  south vancouver island  soundlooking fwd
 to getting back  to chesapeake bay one day in next couple years
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Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I used the Johnson pro stripper. It worked better than the Poli strippers.

http://www.menards.com/main/store/20090519001/items/media/Plumbing/johns013_PL/ProductLarge/6473410.jpg

The Poli Strip applicator has the supposed "advantage" of working better
upside down, an advantage only when doing floors. It's a huge pain in the
ass on a boat.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 1 October 2015 at 15:10, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Gary/John,
>
>
>
> I have heard through this list that “Purple Power” will remove PoliGlow
> too.  I tried it last year and it didn’t work well, even at nearly full
> strength.  It does clean up greasy engine parts, but not PoliGlow.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> C 35-III
>
> Midnight Mistress
>
> Hampton VA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Gary Nylander
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Polyglow Removal
>
>
>
> The Poli-glow folks have a remover, but from another lister, I learned
> that floor stripper works as well and is cheaper. We got Zep heavy duty
> floor stripper from Lowe's. You can dilute it like they do for floors.
>
>
>
> I don't think that wax will bring it back to the luster you would like. We
> went with more Poli-clow.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
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Re: Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step revisited

[Dave via CnC-List]

Thanks for the input gentlemen.  I would welcome any more insight and look 
forward to Doug's 35iii photos, off-list as well.  

I will add to the discussion the following excerpt from an email reply from 
nick at Bristol marine, in response to my request for an estimate on re-bedding 
the keel and filling the smile:
>snip
 However, based on our long experience repairing C's, in particular the 33 Mk 
II, 35 Mk III, & the 41, all of which have the ballast attached to the hull at 
the end of a very deep keel sump, there may be more serious structural issues 
involved, particularly if the boat has been aground at any point in its life. 
The key indicator of more serious issues are exterior stress cracks (sometimes 
obvious, sometimes subtle) at the radius where the fin meets the hull, 
particularly at the leading & trailing edges. Other signs of trouble are cracks 
or delamination where the interior structural grid meets the keel sump, 
delaminated tabbing at the bottom of the main bulkhead port & stb, or signs 
that the mast step is sagging.
 If in doubt, have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at 
the boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or 
Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
>snip

  I also spent some more time learning how to search past posts and picked up a 
little more info, though one question not answered was:  How do you get the 
foul smelling, deteriorating foam out of the crossmember?  

Looking forward to getting mine further apart and - if nothing else- 
reinforcing this potentially weak area.  

Dave.


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Stus-List C 33 mkii mast step

[robert via CnC-List]

Dave

I'll ask my friend how it was done on his boatIt was back in 1991 
and I simply don't remember.  He had another issue he didn't know about 
when he bought the boat.the boat had a hard grounding and the hull 
had a 'horse shoe shaped' crack in front of the keel.He hired a 
contractor to do that repair and maybe it was the contractor that 
removed the contaminated foam..he may have had to cut it outI am 
reasonably sure the void was filled with resin.


I'll ask and get back to you.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-01 9:48 PM, Dave via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks for the input gentlemen.  I would welcome any more insight and 
look forward to Doug's 35iii photos, off-list as well.


I will add to the discussion the following excerpt from an email reply 
from nick at Bristol marine, in response to my request for an estimate 
on re-bedding the keel and filling the smile:

>snip

 However, based on our long experience repairing C's, in particular 
the 33 Mk II, 35 Mk III, & the 41, all of which have the ballast 
attached to the hull at the end of a very deep keel sump, there may be 
more serious structural issues involved, particularly if the boat has 
been aground at any point in its life. The key indicator of more 
serious issues are exterior stress cracks (sometimes obvious, 
sometimes subtle) at the radius where the fin meets the hull, 
particularly at the leading & trailing edges. Other signs of trouble 
are cracks or delamination where the interior structural grid meets 
the keel sump, delaminated tabbing at the bottom of the main bulkhead 
port & stb, or signs that the mast step is sagging.


 If in doubt, have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues 
look at the boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527 ; 
Peter McGuire 416-809-2186 ; or Wallace Gouk 
416-526-3845 


>snip

  I also spent some more time learning how to search past posts and 
picked up a little more info, though one question not answered was: 
How do you get the foul smelling, deteriorating foam out of the 
crossmember?


Looking forward to getting mine further apart and - if nothing else- 
reinforcing this potentially weak area.



Dave.



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