Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
Ron, My understanding is an extra heat exchanger like the Red Hot cabin heater acts similar to an un-controlled radiator. Calypso’s Perkins 4-108’s T-stat controls the flow of coolant through the raw water/coolant heat exchanger providing the ability to operate at the desired 180F. If another heat exchanger is added that is not controlled by the engine T-stat it may be possible to remove enough waste heat to prevent the engine from reaching 180F. When originally looking at how to heat Calypso’s cabin it was clear we would need at least two Red Hot type heat exchangers. I don’t recall exactly who brought up the issue of removing too much waste heat but it was likely one of the diesel mechanics that has worked on Calypso’s 4-108. I expect if we were running the 4-108 at 80% to 90% of capacity there would be plenty of extra heat available. Our typical fall/winter use of the auxiliary engine is motoring for a short distance in calm conditions using less that 50% of the available horsepower. I expect that a Red Hot could be plumbed in between the T-stat and the engine’s heat exchanger or have its own T-stat added if a cool running diesel engine became a problem. As Joe indicated the A-4 and other gasoline engines do not seem to have a shortage of waste heat. Diesels really prefer to be in that 180/190F operating temp range. Any day now I will be covering up part of my Cummins powered pickup truck’s radiator as my commute drive is too short and too slow to allow the engine to hit full operating temp and the local Rozzers frown on my need to speed in the interest of getting that Cummins up to temp. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ronald B. Frerker Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine temp constant? If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's only waste heat; the engine will still be constant. Ron Wild Cheri C&C 30-1 STL From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* will likely not be an issue ☺ I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for the info. Joe DB ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
Don't these marine engines have thermostats that open/close to keep the engine
temp constant?If so, then would it be a problem draining off heat since it's
only waste heat; the engine will still be constant.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
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{}#yiv4054481496 Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out
of a *diesel* will likely not be an issueJ I fully agree a hot water diesel
boiler is way better than engine heat, but the cost difference is huge and I
don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for the info. Joe DB
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Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
Joel, In my experience and the opinions of a couple sailmaker friends I have, DP cloth is much better quality than Challenger cloth. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 C&C 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: November-03-15 19:59 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth All, I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. Recommendations? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6173 / Virus Database: 4457/10947 - Release Date: 11/04/15 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat
Seeing as the engine is an Atomic 4, taking too much heat out of a *diesel* will likely not be an issue ☺ I fully agree a hot water diesel boiler is way better than engine heat, but the cost difference is huge and I don’t have diesel fuel aboard anyway. Thanks for the info. Joe DB From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Heat Joe, The one caveat I have heard involves taking too much waste heat out of a small diesel engine resulting in running cooler than optimum. Calypso has a Perkins 4-108 4 cylinder diesel engine. To heat Calypso’s cabin we would have needed two heat exchangers and at least 60’ of hose. Several diesel mechanics I talked with indicated the Perkins 4-108, in typical PNW usage and 50F temp raw water did not have an over-abundance of waste heat. If the engine operating temp would not be an issue for your installation I have heard good things about the Red Hot brand of heat exchangers but I have not installed one. We chose to install a Webasto Thermo-90S diesel heater to heat its own coolant that circulates through a domestic water heater and three heat exchangers. The system is able to heat the cabin to 75F+ on winter days and provide plenty of hot water for galley or shower use. The system ran for 16 years before its first service call (last week). Changing out a burner assembly, fuel and coolant filters, and balancing the air intake and exhaust hoses was all that was needed. The Webasto T-90 is now set to provide enough heat for us to paint and cure epoxy all winter. Sure Marine in Seattle provided the parts and service and I was very satisfied. I expect they also sell engine waste heat powered heat exchangers if you are looking for professional advice. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:31 AM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Stus-List Cabin Heat Does anyone have hot water cabin heat? I am converting my engine to FWC and am planning to install a cabin heater. I am wondering if anyone has done this and where they put the heater. I am not looking forward to buying 70 feet of hose, but I think having the heater forward will work better than back aft. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
I would say, it depends on how much you are paying for the cross-cut. If it is a $1000 (or less) sail, think twice; if it is a $3500 sail, I would not hesitate one moment. Marek From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 10:20 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber Subject: Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth I'm going to order a new mainsail for my 27-5. Is tri-radial cloth worth the extra $500 over crosscut? Jerry -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Tim Goodyear Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2015 9:25 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth Joel, which sailmaker? I wasn't planning on new sails this year, but a great deal on HydraNet would be good to look at... Thanks, Tim On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: All, I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. Recommendations? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
Jerry, Do you plan to keep the boat more than 5 years? Do you care about small changes in shape? If the answers are yes, I'd spend your money. Joel On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm going to order a new mainsail for my 27-5. Is tri-radial cloth > worth the extra $500 over crosscut? Jerry > > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: Tim Goodyear > Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2015 9:25 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth > > Joel, which sailmaker? I wasn't planning on new sails this year, but a > great deal on HydraNet would be good to look at... > > Thanks, > > Tim > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> All, >> >> I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a >> ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. >> >> The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. >> >> Recommendations? >> >> Joel >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > ___ > > Email > address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including > unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page > at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Electronics
To any lister who’s thinking about updating or adding electronics, my vendor’s “virtual showroom sale” started today. They’ve got additional savings off the already-great pricing I can offer to my friends here on the list; like an additional $50 off Raymarine chartplotters like the new eS75. If you’d like pricing on anything, let me know. Shipping in the US is flat rate, regardless of order size. Now back to our regularly-scheduled programming... Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
I'm going to order a new mainsail for my 27-5. Is tri-radial cloth worth the extra $500 over crosscut? Jerry -Original Message- From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Tim Goodyear Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2015 9:25 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth Joel, which sailmaker? I wasn't planning on new sails this year, but a great deal on HydraNet would be good to look at... Thanks, Tim On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: All, I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. Recommendations? Joel -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
Joel, which sailmaker? I wasn't planning on new sails this year, but a great deal on HydraNet would be good to look at... Thanks, Tim On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > All, > > I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a > ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. > > The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. > > Recommendations? > > Joel > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Dimension Polyant Hydranet Radial sailcloth
Joel, The tri-radial main, especially in Dacron, should suit your boat very well. I have a Dacron cross-cut main that is still in race-ready condition after many years of use. The shape slowly goes away. The tri-radial construction will help it keep that shape longer. My racing main is still Kevlar, but that’s just because the admiral likes the main to match the headsails. ;-) Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress” Hampton VA Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List > wrote: > > All, > > I'm about to order a new tri-radial main. My sailmaker is offering a > ridiculous promo price on a sail made with HydraNet. > > The other option is Challenger Warp Drive. > > Recommendations? > > Joel > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
