Re: Stus-List : sailing in the South

[Sailing Bob via CnC-List]

As Beemer, 29MKII, is finally in the water in Biloxi, I am hoping to get her 
ready for the G>P race.  

In addition, any listers down in the area are always welcome aboard.

Bob Caughran
Beemer, 29MKII #309
Biloxi, MS

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From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List : sailing in the South


GYA racing calendar will be finalized in early Jan but G>P is probably 3rd or 
4th weekend in June.  We're hoping to race Touche' in it this year.  Might have 
room for a couple folks from the list.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
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OK, so when is the Gulfport Pensacola race?

Richard
1985 C 37 CB  Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255


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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List : off topic Skiing - Now sailing in the South

First, thanks, Mike.
To Ron and all listers, 
Listers are always welcome to sail on Touche' anytime they are in the South 
Louisiana area. That is, when I'm not out West on the slopes.  You can still 
sail even with bad knees.  
75 and light rain here today.  Next two days are sunny and high 60's.  Moderate 
breeze from the NNW.  That means windward or weather shore and flat water 
sailing in Mandeville.  Might just have to go out on the lake.  :)
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Sailrite is pretty good at providing detailed instructions and $2200 will
provide quite a bit of materials and tools for you to learn with.  Once
it's done you will have the knowledge and tools to make any number of other
canvas projects.   Imagine the life time of savings.  If foreign
destinations are in your future imagine the value of not having to find a
canvas (or even sail)  maker.  Sunbrella is not difficult to work with.
It's not hard to find and its not terribly expensive.  If you were talking
about a priceless museum piece or using Italian leather it would be a
different story.

 Just my 2 cents,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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> All,
>
> Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette
> and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate
> was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable
> price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
>
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

no way!  I just got the same quote for  3 cushions for the u-shaped seat, 3 
cusions for the backs, 1 cushion for the strait settee and 3 cushions for it's 
back in sunbrella for $850.  He'll reuse the foam, add new "fibre" layer. and 
thats here in Massachusetts.  hell, it would be worth the shipping to use my 
guy.  This guy did cushions for our old 22 footer many years ago.  He does nice 
work.  He is an upholsterer not a marine upholsterer! Danny

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:12:05 -0500


If this quote was from a marine operation, I would at least check the price 
from a local fabric/upholsterer. This will reduce the marine 'premium' at 
least. Charlie Nelson36 XL/kcbNorth Carolina  cenel...@aol.com  -Original 
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 Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
 
All, Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette 
and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.  Estimate 
was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable price?  Is 
there any good way to DIY if you don't sew? 
Joel 35/3Annapolis
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Joel:

There's one in Edgewater that's near you.  I can't remember their name but if 
you google upholstery + edgewater, I'm sure you find them.  

Bob

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> On Dec 17, 2015, at 4:37 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Danny,
> 
> Now your talking!  Guess I need to talk to upholsterers who are inland!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> no way!  I just got the same quote for  3 cushions for the u-shaped seat, 3 
>> cusions for the backs, 1 cushion for the strait settee and 3 cushions for 
>> it's back in sunbrella for $850.  He'll reuse the foam, add new "fibre" 
>> layer.
>>  
>> and thats here in Massachusetts.  hell, it would be worth the shipping to 
>> use my guy.  This guy did cushions for our old 22 footer many years ago.  He 
>> does nice work.  He is an upholsterer not a marine upholsterer!
>>  
>> Danny
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
>> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:12:05 -0500
>> 
>> If this quote was from a marine operation, I would at least check the price 
>> from a local fabric/upholsterer.
>>  
>> This will reduce the marine 'premium' at least.
>>  
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 36 XL/kcb
>> North Carolina 
>>  
>> cenel...@aol.com
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
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>> To: cnc-list 
>> Cc: Joel Aronson 
>> Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2015 3:08 pm
>> Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
>> 
>> All,
>>  
>> Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette 
>> and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate 
>> was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable price?  
>> Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
>>  
>> 
>> Joel 
>> 35/3
>> Annapolis
>> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 keel depth

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I don’t know, Chuck.

 

Back when I shortened the keel and added a torpedo bulb to Imzadi in 2003, we 
measured the draft as 5’3”, before she was launched. The bulb was something 
like 350 pounds more than the weight of led removed when we cut off the keel, 
so the floating draft might be a skoosh more than 5’3”.

 

About 2011 I raised the waterline by 3” and I still get crud growing along the 
edge of the bottom paint. Measured between 5’6” and 5’7” during a short haul to 
clean the bottom last summer. Which means I’ve added something like 4300 pounds 
of cruising crap like anchors, chain rode, radar, batteries, windlass, 
cabinets, etc.

 

Maybe it’s a good thing I only enter in party class or cruiser class on those 
occasions when I race her.

 

Wonder if I could get a PHRF adjustment because of the extra weight and wetted 
surface?

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:08 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 keel depth

 

Hi Andrew,

I use the following method to measure draft in the boatyard.  I use a tape 
measure or folding rule and a laser level.

I use the watermark waterline on the boat's bottom paint.  I set a 2 x 4 
against the side of the boat.  Then use a laser level or a string level, to 
bring the bottom of the keel out to mark the board, and the waterline to mark 
the board, and you measure the difference to get the real draft.  

 

I found many of the designer stats were bogus.  I measured three 4' 10" draft 
boats that actually draw 5' 3" or more.   A 5" difference would suggest 5000# 
of gear aboard.   More likely the stats posted were scewed to sell more boats.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 6:49:07 PM
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 keel depth

 

Thank you to all for the great responses.  I went back to Sailboatdata and 
there it was, the very last line at the bottom of the page, shoal keel 4 ft 2.  
The owner says he thinks it's the deep keel, but doesn't think it's as deep as 
5 ft.  Not sure where 4 ft 7 comes from.

 

What is the proper way to measure keel depth?  Is it waterline to bottom of 
keel?

 

Thanks again.


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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I don’t know about the Annapolis area, but here in Eastern North Carolina that 
price would be obscene.

 

I’ve completely redone the upholstery in my 38 in the past year. Total cost 
about $1600 for the following:

 

2 v berth cushions – new 6” foam and medium brown Ultrasuede, Pfeifertex mesh 
on back

Quarter berth cushion – ditto

2  6 ft settee cushions – new 4” foam and medium brown Ultrasuede, both sides 
so they are reversible

8 box cushions for settee backs and arms – new 3” foam and nautical pattern 
upholstery material and Pfeifertex on the backs

Used some of the leftover 6” foam to make 2 bolsters to lean against when 
reading in the v berth – used leftover Ultrasuede

6 throw cushion covers made of fawn colored Ultrasuede – think of a #10 
envelope big enough to hold a pillow and with a button to hold the flap closed. 
Picked the idea up from a cruiser and use the pillows to store bed linen when 
not on the various berths.

A comforter and 2 pillow shams for the v berth in a nautical upholstery cloth 
that was originally intended for the seat backs. (I didn’t ask before buying 
what I thought was enough material to do the 8 cushions. How was I supposed to 
know to allow extra for the pattern match? Sailrite probably has a video on how 
to do it correctly. So the upholstery shop suggested making a pie shaped v 
berth throw/comforter and not letting the material go to waste.)

 

As you can tell, the sewing was done by a local shop that does upholstery and 
interior decorating. The labor was probably well under half what a boat canvas 
shop would charge. Furniture upholsterers don’t seem to care if you supply your 
own materials.

 

Bought the foam, fabric, Pfeifertex mesh, batting, and piping for the edges 
from a fabric discount store in New Bern. The stuff was also available on line 
from the same company. 

 

Another avenue you might try is to ask around among friends who are liveaboard 
cruisers. I have found that a surprising number of them have Sailrite sewing 
machines and regularly do upholstery and canvas work to feed the cruising kitty.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

 

All,

 

Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette and 
straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate was at 
least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable price?  Is there 
any good way to DIY if you don't sew?


 

 

Joel 

35/3

Annapolis
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Sounds expensive, we were just over $3K 10 years ago, but we replaced
everything. New 4" foam everywhere with and additional 2" of memory foam in
the V-berth, top end furniture grade Ultrasuede covers. I think you could
do better, but that's just my Scrooge coming out.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 17 December 2015 at 12:07, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
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> All,
>
> Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette
> and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate
> was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable
> price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
>
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

If this quote was from a marine operation, I would at least check the price 
from a local fabric/upholsterer.

This will reduce the marine 'premium' at least.
 
Charlie Nelson
36 XL/kcb
North Carolina 
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
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Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch



All,


Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette and 
straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate was at 
least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable price?  Is there 
any good way to DIY if you don't sew?





Joel 
35/3
Annapolis
301 541 8551


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Stus-List Cost to recover cushions

[robert via CnC-List]

Joel:

I had all the upholstery replaced on my C 32 with a Sunbrella fabric  
(V-berth, main salon, quarter berth, seats and backs) for all in taxes, 
$1,600.  No new foam...not needed.


A company that normally does canvass awnings for businesses did it. Was 
the job perfect, no not perfect, but not many people would tell the 
difference.  Meaning, a few corners on the cushions were not 
perfect.meaning not every corner was the same, but every corner was 
sewn secure.  And the Sunbrella fabric is as good as it gets.with 
mine, you can spill a rum and coke or a glass of red wine and take the 
cushion and pour the drink back into the glassthe cushion is not 
stainedam I sure this is true...been there, done that!


I think there are places where you might get a better price.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32  - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-12-17 4:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

All,

Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped 
dinette and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella. 
​  Estimate was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a 
reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?



Joel
35/3
Annapolis
301 541 8551




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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

we have sunbrella cushions. normally the red wine is sloshed all over the 
cockpit though.

would lIke to keep it that way... but likely will have to corroborate Bob's 
findings within a few months

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Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions

Joel:

I had all the upholstery replaced on my C 32 with a Sunbrella fabric
(V-berth, main salon, quarter berth, seats and backs) for all in taxes,
$1,600.  No new foam...not needed.

A company that normally does canvass awnings for businesses did it. Was
the job perfect, no not perfect, but not many people would tell the
difference.  Meaning, a few corners on the cushions were not
perfect.meaning not every corner was the same, but every corner was
sewn secure.  And the Sunbrella fabric is as good as it gets.with
mine, you can spill a rum and coke or a glass of red wine and take the
cushion and pour the drink back into the glassthe cushion is not
stainedam I sure this is true...been there, done that!

I think there are places where you might get a better price.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32  - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-12-17 4:07 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
> All,
>
> Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped
> dinette and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.
> ​  Estimate was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a
> reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
>
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 301 541 8551
>


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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Concur with Jim Watt's experience of 10 year's ago. 13 pieces, all new foam
including additional memory foam in V and quarter berth.   Sunbrella with
stripes (a little harder to work with). Lots of zippers and underside mesh.
This was 8-9 years ago. Foam was a big cost. All totalled, ~3K USD. Made
very locally.
As for DIY, life's too short to get good at this.
--Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

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> Sounds expensive, we were just over $3K 10 years ago, but we replaced
> everything. New 4" foam everywhere with and additional 2" of memory foam in
> the V-berth, top end furniture grade Ultrasuede covers. I think you could
> do better, but that's just my Scrooge coming out.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 17 December 2015 at 12:07, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped
>> dinette and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​
>>  Estimate was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a
>> reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
>>
>>
>> Joel
>> 35/3
>> Annapolis
>> 301 541 8551
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Stus-List Upholsterers in the Toronto area?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Anybody know of a skilled but reasonable shop in the GTA ?  Thanks.

Dave

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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

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There is an upholstery shop in West Annapolis we are going to try. I got a 
quote of something like $200 per cushion. 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

 

I don’t know about the Annapolis area, but here in Eastern North Carolina that 
price would be obscene.

 

I’ve completely redone the upholstery in my 38 in the past year. Total cost 
about $1600 for the following:

 

2 v berth cushions – new 6” foam and medium brown Ultrasuede, Pfeifertex mesh 
on back

Quarter berth cushion – ditto

2  6 ft settee cushions – new 4” foam and medium brown Ultrasuede, both sides 
so they are reversible

8 box cushions for settee backs and arms – new 3” foam and nautical pattern 
upholstery material and Pfeifertex on the backs

Used some of the leftover 6” foam to make 2 bolsters to lean against when 
reading in the v berth – used leftover Ultrasuede

6 throw cushion covers made of fawn colored Ultrasuede – think of a #10 
envelope big enough to hold a pillow and with a button to hold the flap closed. 
Picked the idea up from a cruiser and use the pillows to store bed linen when 
not on the various berths.

A comforter and 2 pillow shams for the v berth in a nautical upholstery cloth 
that was originally intended for the seat backs. (I didn’t ask before buying 
what I thought was enough material to do the 8 cushions. How was I supposed to 
know to allow extra for the pattern match? Sailrite probably has a video on how 
to do it correctly. So the upholstery shop suggested making a pie shaped v 
berth throw/comforter and not letting the material go to waste.)

 

As you can tell, the sewing was done by a local shop that does upholstery and 
interior decorating. The labor was probably well under half what a boat canvas 
shop would charge. Furniture upholsterers don’t seem to care if you supply your 
own materials.

 

Bought the foam, fabric, Pfeifertex mesh, batting, and piping for the edges 
from a fabric discount store in New Bern. The stuff was also available on line 
from the same company. 

 

Another avenue you might try is to ask around among friends who are liveaboard 
cruisers. I have found that a surprising number of them have Sailrite sewing 
machines and regularly do upholstery and canvas work to feed the cruising kitty.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 3:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Joel Aronson  >
Subject: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

 

All,

 

Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette and 
straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  Estimate was at 
least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a reasonable price?  Is there 
any good way to DIY if you don't sew?


 

 

Joel 

35/3

Annapolis
301 541 8551

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