Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Dennis,

 

If you were pulling 830 watts from the inverter, that’s 69 amps @ 12 volts!  
How big a fuse do you have on your inverter?  My 600 watt inverter uses a 50 
amp fuse.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 22:59
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

 

Just had our Christmas parade.  Couple boats had lots of lights and generator 
on deck.

Couple years ago I decorated Touche' with a bunch of light strings.  We 
probably had 15-20 strings of lights.  We have about half incandescent and half 
LED strings.  I'd added up the wattages on the boxes for the LED lights and 
estimated wattage's for the incandescents.  Came to around 700 watts.  Touche' 
has a 1000 watt inverter.  When we fired everything up, the inverter was 
showing around 830 watts.  At 120 VAC that's about 7 amps.  

In the parade we were moving at idle speed.  I was constantly monitoring the 12 
VDC system on my instruments.  RPM's weren't enough to maintain voltage on the 
batteries.  Every now and then I shifted to neutral and revved the engine to 
boost amperage.  We did fine over the hour long parade using that technique.

Do the research and add up the wattage's.  Try to use exclusively LED lights, 
12 VDC if you can find them.  Convert to amps and remember that your alternator 
doesn't generate much amperage at low RPM's.

Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

or you could "inherit" cushions more suitable for a livingroom than the boat.  
They are off-white.  It is an attractive, good quality material; living under 
towels to protect them

Leslie
Phoenix C 1983.


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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
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 Cc: "Gary Nylander" 
 Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 2:56 PM
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade - now inverters

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Easy Joe, I didn't say it was impossible to install an inverter properly
and neither did my surveyor.  It was simply his opinion that they had
serious potential to cause more trouble than they were worth since a proper
installation was difficult.  In his experience he had seem quite a few
fires or potential fires.

As for the efficiency I was referring to the inverter losses.  Folks here
have shared their own experiences charging cell phones and laptops from
inverters vice 12v adapters.  The inverter losses can be significant and
that loss equals heat which is often the problem with installs.  Too much
heat in a tucked away corner which is probably further than 4' from the
batteries.

In this case, for Xmas lights, it seems that a temporary install with a
clamp on is a perfect solution.  I don't disagree that replacing the clamps
with lugs would probably be smart and not significantly decrease the
portability.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 19, 2015 12:18 PM, "Joe Della Barba via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Your surveyor is quite wrong. I have installed a number of fixed mount
> inverters ranging from 1,000  to 3,000 watts or so and the installations
> require nothing exotic, just the correct size of wire and fuse. A skilled
> marine electrician will do these installations correctly as a routine
> matter. It is large portable inverters that are dangerous. A jumper cable
> clamp is not a safe way to carry 100 amps for very long and few to none of
> these setups will have correct fusing on either the AC or DC side.
>
> I have permanently installed 300 and 1200 watt inverters on my boat. I
> usually have the 300 watt unit switched on for charging phones, radios, and
> computers. I can throw a switch and use the 1200 watt unit for tools, hair
> dryers, the shop-vac,  or any other large load. It draws about .9 amps at
> idle so I don’t use it routinely. I bought a hydraulic wire crimper from
> Harbor Freight to get all the battery cable crimps done right and it was an
> easy job making up all the wiring. I got a Kisae auto-switch from West to
> switch the outlets over from shore power to inverter when the shore power
> is turned off and then back again when it comes on.
>
> As for 12 volt appliances, most of them are much more expensive than the
> 120 volt version and by definition cannot be more efficient if they have
> the same power (except for inverter loses). I did discover that my little
> Dirt Devil 120 volt vacuum is WAY more powerful than a 12 volt car vacuum.
> It does use more power, but gets the dirt the first pass, not after 5
> passes, so it evens out in the end.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:34 AM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Venetian parade
>
>
>
> A clamp on inverter is temporary and more powerful than a cigarette
> lighter inverter but still considerably less powerful than a permanent
> installation type.  It has jumper cable clamps for attaching to the battery
> studs.  The following is just one example.
>
> BESTEK 2 AC Outlets 1000W Power Inverter with Battery Clamps and Car
> Cigarette Lighter Plug
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007SLDDHQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_NGwDwbG6XRHSP
>
> To my surprise, my marine surveyor actually advised against permanent
> installation style inverters.  He explained that a typical 2000w inverter
> can draw so much current that a "proper" and safe install is challenging.
> He had apparently seen quite a few fires as a result of bad inverters or
> poor installations (inadequate conductor size, insufficient cooling, too
> small of a battery bank).  He advised that most appliances can be found in
> 12v variants and are more efficient.  If/when the occasional need (xmas
> lights) for 120v presents itself a clamp-on is what he recommended.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Dec 19, 2015 8:30 AM, "William Walker via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> What is a clamp on inverter?
> Bill Walker
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> --
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Cigarette lighter inverter should be able to power a good number of LED
> strings.  A clamp on inverter would be an even better guarantee of
> sufficient power.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Dec 18, 2015 10:08 PM, "William Walker via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I would love to hear ideas for lighting the boat for Venetian parades.
> LED?  Can I use Christmas lights that are on sale?  No generator on board.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade - now inverters

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Your surveyor is quite wrong. I have installed a number of fixed mount 
inverters ranging from 1,000  to 3,000 watts or so and the installations 
require nothing exotic, just the correct size of wire and fuse. A skilled 
marine electrician will do these installations correctly as a routine matter. 
It is large portable inverters that are dangerous. A jumper cable clamp is not 
a safe way to carry 100 amps for very long and few to none of these setups will 
have correct fusing on either the AC or DC side.

I have permanently installed 300 and 1200 watt inverters on my boat. I usually 
have the 300 watt unit switched on for charging phones, radios, and computers. 
I can throw a switch and use the 1200 watt unit for tools, hair dryers, the 
shop-vac,  or any other large load. It draws about .9 amps at idle so I don’t 
use it routinely. I bought a hydraulic wire crimper from Harbor Freight to get 
all the battery cable crimps done right and it was an easy job making up all 
the wiring. I got a Kisae auto-switch from West to switch the outlets over from 
shore power to inverter when the shore power is turned off and then back again 
when it comes on.

As for 12 volt appliances, most of them are much more expensive than the 120 
volt version and by definition cannot be more efficient if they have the same 
power (except for inverter loses). I did discover that my little Dirt Devil 120 
volt vacuum is WAY more powerful than a 12 volt car vacuum. It does use more 
power, but gets the dirt the first pass, not after 5 passes, so it evens out in 
the end.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
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Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:34 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

 

A clamp on inverter is temporary and more powerful than a cigarette lighter 
inverter but still considerably less powerful than a permanent installation 
type.  It has jumper cable clamps for attaching to the battery studs.  The 
following is just one example.

BESTEK 2 AC Outlets 1000W Power Inverter with Battery Clamps and Car Cigarette 
Lighter Plug 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007SLDDHQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_NGwDwbG6XRHSP

To my surprise, my marine surveyor actually advised against permanent 
installation style inverters.  He explained that a typical 2000w inverter can 
draw so much current that a "proper" and safe install is challenging.  He had 
apparently seen quite a few fires as a result of bad inverters or poor 
installations (inadequate conductor size, insufficient cooling, too small of a 
battery bank).  He advised that most appliances can be found in 12v variants 
and are more efficient.  If/when the occasional need (xmas lights) for 120v 
presents itself a clamp-on is what he recommended.

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Dec 19, 2015 8:30 AM, "William Walker via CnC-List"  > wrote:

What is a clamp on inverter?
Bill Walker

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

  _  

On Friday, December 18, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:

Cigarette lighter inverter should be able to power a good number of LED 
strings.  A clamp on inverter would be an even better guarantee of sufficient 
power.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Dec 18, 2015 10:08 PM, "William Walker via CnC-List"  > wrote:

I would love to hear ideas for lighting the boat for Venetian parades.  LED?  
Can I use Christmas lights that are on sale?  No generator on board. 
Bill Walker
CnC 36

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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Got it, thanks. 
Bill Walker

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

A clamp on inverter is temporary and more powerful than a cigarette lighter 
inverter but still considerably less powerful than a permanent installation 
type.  It has jumper cable clamps for attaching to the battery studs.  The 
following is just one example.

BESTEK 2 AC Outlets 1000W Power Inverter with Battery Clamps and Car Cigarette 
Lighter Plug 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007SLDDHQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_NGwDwbG6XRHSP

To my surprise, my marine surveyor actually advised against permanent 
installation style inverters.  He explained that a typical 2000w inverter can 
draw so much current that a "proper" and safe install is challenging.  He had 
apparently seen quite a few fires as a result of bad inverters or poor 
installations (inadequate conductor size, insufficient cooling, too small of a 
battery bank).  He advised that most appliances can be found in 12v variants 
and are more efficient.  If/when the occasional need (xmas lights) for 120v 
presents itself a clamp-on is what he recommended.

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Dec 19, 2015 8:30 AM, "William Walker via CnC-List"  
wrote:

What is a clamp on inverter?
Bill Walker

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Friday, December 18, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

Cigarette lighter inverter should be able to power a good number of LED 
strings.  A clamp on inverter would be an even better guarantee of sufficient 
power.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Dec 18, 2015 10:08 PM, "William Walker via CnC-List"  
wrote:

I would love to hear ideas for lighting the boat for Venetian parades.  LED?  
Can I use Christmas lights that are on sale?  No generator on board. 
Bill Walker
CnC 36

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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'd have to look but I think it's something like a 100 amp fuse.  I think
the wires are something like 2 or 4 AWG. I know the cables are substantial
and I had to locate the inverter for minimum wire run, like under 10 feet
total.  I did the calculations using the Blue Sea app.

DIY's are usually surprised when they start sizing cables for the 12 VDC
side of an inverter install.

I'm helping a buddy with a 2000W inverter install.  We're using 2AWG cables
with a wire run under 4 feet total.

Dennis C.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
>
>
> If you were pulling 830 watts from the inverter, that’s 69 amps @ 12
> volts!  How big a fuse do you have on your inverter?  My 600 watt inverter
> uses a 50 amp fuse.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

the current trendy style is the late 50s.  So you won't have to wait too 
long  ;-)

Leslie.
Phoenix C 1983
Long Beach, CA.


On Fri, 12/18/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
 To: "CnClist" 
 Cc: "Dennis C." 
 Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 10:26 AM
 
 Sunbrella
 is pretty pricey.  Look at fabrics for patio furniture. 
 Most are a fraction of the cost of Sunbrella.  Heck, even
 Home Depot sells outdoor fabrics.
 
 Guess I'm lucky, Touche's cushions are in
 decent shape.  However the pattern is definitely 70's
 retro.  Who knows, in another 40 years it might be back in
 style.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 On Fri, Dec 18, 2015
 at 11:45 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi Joel,
 
 
 I'm curious as to why you spec'd Sunbrella? It's
 forte is colour-fast
 after years of sun exposure and it's not the most
 comfortable fabric to
 sit on.
 
 
 I suggest talking about proper upholstery fabric when
 dealing with your
 supplier.
 
 
 My saloon is done in leather but that might not be the best
 for your
 style.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Russ
 
 Sweet
 35 mk-1
 
 
 At 12:07 PM 17/12/2015, you wrote:
 
 All,
 
 
 Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U
 shaped
 dinette and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in
 Sunbrella.​
 Â Estimate was at least $2200 depending on
 fabric/extras.  Is that
 a reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you
 don't
 sew?
 
 
 
 
 Joel 
 
 35/3
 
 Annapolis
 
 301 541 8551
 
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Schiller via CnC-List]

Bill,

Crosswinds in Whitehall.  We are also members of White Lake Yacht Club.  I have 
a friend (one of my Engineers) that is a member.  I also crewed for another 
lister (Glenn Gambel) in the Clipper Cup.  We are moving up from South Haven.  
SH just didn't have more social activity for us.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)

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> On Dec 19, 2015, at 8:22 AM, William Walker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Neil,
> White Lake Michigan?  If you get to Pentwater give a shout.  What yard do you 
> store at?
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> Evening Star
> Pentwater, Mi
> 
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> 
> 
> On Saturday, December 19, 2015 Schiller via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> We are having the cushions redone on Corsair by the yard that we do our 
> winter storage. They have already done cockpit cushions, Bimini and dodger 
> for us. Didn't even ask a price. We really need new cushions. The old ones 
> are disintegrating. They will do the backs on the boat as Dennis said. We 
> will need the new cushions next year when the boat is in White Lake and we 
> are weekending instead of days ailing. Neil Schiller 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 
> (C 35, Mark I) Corsair Currently on the Empire Builder to Seattle Sent from 
> my iPhone >
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote: > > Many of you are fortunate to have all separate removable cushions, 
> bottoms and backs. Touche's dinette and settee backs are single rolled and 
> pleated wraparound units stapled to the cabinetry. I like the look. It would 
> be very pricey to replace because the workman would almost certainly have to 
> come to the boat. > > Many owners have removed this look and gone with 
> separate cushion backs. > > Dennis C. > 
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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I had the cushions in my previous boat (35 Mk II) done in UltraLeather.
It's a little pricey but incredibly durable, comfortable and attractive.  I
have it on my new boat.  Its 14 years old and look brand new.

Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37 Plus
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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> the current trendy style is the late 50s.  So you won't have to wait too
> long  ;-)
>
> Leslie.
> Phoenix C 1983
> Long Beach, CA.
>
> 
> On Fri, 12/18/15, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch
>  To: "CnClist" 
>  Cc: "Dennis C." 
>  Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 10:26 AM
>
>  Sunbrella
>  is pretty pricey.  Look at fabrics for patio furniture.
>  Most are a fraction of the cost of Sunbrella.  Heck, even
>  Home Depot sells outdoor fabrics.
>
>  Guess I'm lucky, Touche's cushions are in
>  decent shape.  However the pattern is definitely 70's
>  retro.  Who knows, in another 40 years it might be back in
>  style.
>
>  Dennis C.
>
>  On Fri, Dec 18, 2015
>  at 11:45 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Hi Joel,
>
>
>  I'm curious as to why you spec'd Sunbrella? It's
>  forte is colour-fast
>  after years of sun exposure and it's not the most
>  comfortable fabric to
>  sit on.
>
>
>  I suggest talking about proper upholstery fabric when
>  dealing with your
>  supplier.
>
>
>  My saloon is done in leather but that might not be the best
>  for your
>  style.
>
>
>  Cheers,
>  Russ
>
>  Sweet
>  35 mk-1
>
>
>  At 12:07 PM 17/12/2015, you wrote:
>
>  All,
>
>
>  Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U
>  shaped
>  dinette and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in
>  Sunbrella.​
>  Â Estimate was at least $2200 depending on
>  fabric/extras.  Is that
>  a reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you
>  don't
>  sew?
>
>
>
>
>  JoelÂ
>
>  35/3
>
>  Annapolis
>
>  301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List cost to recover cushions

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Gary - that's a classic pattern, known as "Brady Bunch Plaid".   Timeless.

Dave



On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
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> Oh, you guys are indeed ancient. My much more modern 1980 version has the
> awesome beige, orange, and brown tone plaid stuff. It is also better at
> showing stains, of which there are many. But, as 90 percent of its activity
> is local racing, the cushions stay in the attic over the ?carriage house?
> (that is a garage to you modern folks most of the time. Someday?.
> 
> 
> 
> Gary, in cold St. Michaels Marylan


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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

[William Walker via CnC-List]

What is a clamp on inverter?
Bill Walker

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On Friday, December 18, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

Cigarette lighter inverter should be able to power a good number of LED 
strings.  A clamp on inverter would be an even better guarantee of sufficient 
power.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Dec 18, 2015 10:08 PM, "William Walker via CnC-List"  
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I would love to hear ideas for lighting the boat for Venetian parades.  LED?  
Can I use Christmas lights that are on sale?  No generator on board. 
Bill Walker
CnC 36

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Re: Stus-List cost to recover cushions

[John McKay via CnC-List]

Enterprise came with the Brady Bunch Plaid. It was dirty and stain. Much to my 
surprise with a gentle wash, it looks pretty good.
John 

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:22 AM, Syerdave--- via CnC-List 
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 Gary - that's a classic pattern, known as "Brady Bunch Plaid".   Timeless.
Dave


On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
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Oh, you guys are indeed ancient. My much more modern 1980 version has the


awesome beige, orange, and brown tone plaid stuff. It is also better at


showing stains, of which there are many. But, as 90 percent of its activity


is local racing, the cushions stay in the attic over the ?carriage house?


(that is a garage to you modern folks most of the time. Someday?.











Gary, in cold St. Michaels Marylan



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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Schiller via CnC-List]

We are having the cushions redone on Corsair by the yard that we do our winter 
storage.  They have already done cockpit cushions, Bimini and dodger for us.  
Didn't even ask a price.  We really need new cushions.  The old ones are 
disintegrating.  They will do the backs on the boat as Dennis said.  We will 
need the new cushions next year when the boat is in White Lake and we are 
weekending instead of days ailing.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)
Corsair
Currently on the Empire Builder to Seattle

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> Many of you are fortunate to have all separate removable cushions, bottoms 
> and backs.  Touche's dinette and settee backs are single rolled and pleated 
> wraparound units stapled to the cabinetry.  I like the look.  It would be 
> very pricey to replace because the workman would almost certainly have to 
> come to the boat. 
> 
> Many owners have removed this look and gone with separate cushion backs.
> 
> Dennis C. 
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Re: Stus-List Venetian parade

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A clamp on inverter is temporary and more powerful than a cigarette lighter
inverter but still considerably less powerful than a permanent installation
type.  It has jumper cable clamps for attaching to the battery studs.  The
following is just one example.

BESTEK 2 AC Outlets 1000W Power Inverter with Battery Clamps and Car
Cigarette Lighter Plug
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007SLDDHQ/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_NGwDwbG6XRHSP

To my surprise, my marine surveyor actually advised against permanent
installation style inverters.  He explained that a typical 2000w inverter
can draw so much current that a "proper" and safe install is challenging.
He had apparently seen quite a few fires as a result of bad inverters or
poor installations (inadequate conductor size, insufficient cooling, too
small of a battery bank).  He advised that most appliances can be found in
12v variants and are more efficient.  If/when the occasional need (xmas
lights) for 120v presents itself a clamp-on is what he recommended.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Dec 19, 2015 8:30 AM, "William Walker via CnC-List" <
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> What is a clamp on inverter?
> Bill Walker
>
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> On Friday, December 18, 2015 Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Cigarette lighter inverter should be able to power a good number of LED
> strings.  A clamp on inverter would be an even better guarantee of
> sufficient power.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Dec 18, 2015 10:08 PM, "William Walker via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I would love to hear ideas for lighting the boat for Venetian parades.
>> LED?  Can I use Christmas lights that are on sale?  No generator on board.
>> Bill Walker
>> CnC 36
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