Re: Stus-List winch grease

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I have always bought a hard tooth brush because my teeth were hard. Am I
doing this wrong?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 13 March 2016 at 20:18, Russ & Melody via CnC-List  wrote:

> Hi Dwight
>
> As you know the tooth brush is a handy tool, but do you know the tooth
> brush was invented in Cumberland, a coal mining community on Vancouver
> Island?
>
> Yeah, if it was invented anywhere else it would have been called the teeth
> brush  ba boom!
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
> East side o'  Vancouver Island
>
>
> At 08:46 AM 13/03/2016, you wrote:
>
>   After getting them apart I cleaned everything up with a *soft tooth
> brush* and varsol, rinsed and wiped dry, for the plastic rollers it says
> on the grease label to use pawl oil on the rollers, not the grease. So I
> followed the instructions and so far no issues
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
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Re: Stus-List winch grease

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Dwight

As you know the tooth brush is a handy tool, but do you know the 
tooth brush was invented in Cumberland, a coal mining community on 
Vancouver Island?


Yeah, if it was invented anywhere else it would have been called the 
teeth brush  ba boom!


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
East side o'  Vancouver Island


At 08:46 AM 13/03/2016, you wrote:
  After getting them apart I cleaned everything up with a soft 
tooth brush and varsol, rinsed and wiped dry, for the plastic 
rollers it says on the grease label to use pawl oil on the rollers, 
not the grease. So I followed the instructions and so far no issues


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
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Stus-List redline41mk1

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Stus-List Interesting Reading

[Stu via CnC-List]

Thanks to Dennis C., I have posted 2 new items on the Photo Album:

a) Practical Sailor Used Boat Survey C&C 35
b) Redwing 35 Equipment List

Check them out on the Main Page of the Photo Album.

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Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — I recently found an online supplier with what I think is the lowest 
prices on genuine Molex heat shrink crimp terminals:

www.waytekwire.com 

You’ll easily save about half of what you'd spend buying Ancor-branded (but 
really Molex…) terminals at Waste Marine...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Mar 13, 2016, at 10:55 AM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks - will definitely compare.  Scary when you start to add up all the 
> "little" pieces.  It's going to be a fortune just in shrink terminals!
> 
> John

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Re: Stus-List Searching the Photo Album archives

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

I was accessing the archive from the cncphotoalbum site. There are no search 
tools there. The Mail-Archive site is news to me, so, again, the List succeeds.

Cheers, Al


> On Mar 13, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
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> There are 2 functions on the Photo Album for searching:
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> It doesn’t get much simpler than that.
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Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks - will definitely compare.  Scary when you start to add up all the 
"little" pieces.  It's going to be a fortune just in shrink terminals!

John


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> On Mar 13, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
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> Just a note here, I notice Del City is now handling a lot of Blue Sea
> inventory.
> 
> http://www.delcity.net/productsearch?search=blue+sea&x=0&y=0&it=#search=blue
> %20sea&mpp=72
> 
> Don't know how their prices compare.
> 
> 
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
> Pennie via CnC-List
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:55 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: John Pennie
> Subject: Stus-List Wiring an inverter
> 
> So I'm n the process of upgrading the electrical panel on Paws.  DC is
> straightforward using the new 360 panel from Blue Sea (really nice stuff).  
> 
> I do want to add a small inverter (~1000 watts) routed to the main panel.
> Yes I know it won't run air conditioning.
> 
> So the plan is to route the AC out from the inverter to a  DP breaker to a
> DP rotary source selector switch to the  AC main panel.  The problem is that
> every mid sized inverter I've seen (such as the Xantrex Pro series) wants to
> control everything via the transfer switch in the inverter.  I don't want a
> $300 inverter to have that much control.  
> 
> Can you simply by-pass the built in transfer switch by not connecting the
> inverter "in" line?
> 
> Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.  Already been flamed on CF.
> 
> John
> 
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Re: Stus-List winch grease

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I cleaned greased and oiled all of my winches (11 in total all Barient)
with Harken Performance white winch grease and Harken pawl oil, rather
pricey stuff for the amount you get...I was surprised at first to find some
plastic rollers in some of these old winches but I guess that's normal.
After getting them apart I cleaned everything up with a soft tooth brush
and varsol, rinsed and wiped dry, for the plastic rollers it says on the
grease label to use pawl oil on the rollers, not the grease. So I followed
the instructions and so far no issues whatsoever, winches run smooth and
sound good to me, biggest winches I had were 2 Barient 34+ if I remember
right, 2 speed self tailing, a little more complicated but nothing that
difficult really

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:31 PM, schiller via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Remember that grease is simply an oil in a binder material.  Most of the
> red greases are an oil (synthetic or petroleum) in a very fine clay binder
> (read kitty litter).  When the oil migrates out of the binder, you are the
> left with a gooey mess.  Other greases use a soap (lithium) binder.
> Braycote uses Bray oil in a teflon based perfluorinate polyether binder so
> that when the synthetic oils separate, the binder left is still slippery.
> The best recipe is to keep the oil mixed with the binder.  We spent a lot
> of time looking at this for greases that could be in storage for up to 30
> years and had to work immediately.
>
> For a grease that is compatible with plastic bearings, look toward fine
> synthetic oils.  Lithium and perfluornates are basically inert.  It will
> definitely depend on the plastic material used in the bearing but most
> tolerate synthetics.  Most plastics used in bearings are self lubricating
> and shouldn't need anything more that flushing the dirt out of them.
>
>  Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C&C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
> Retired Rocket Scientist
>
> On 3/13/2016 10:32 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
>
> My interpretation of what I have read is that it is not about the
> compatibility of the grease with the plastic (although that could be an
> issue),  but more about how to effectively lubricate a plastic bearing.  I
> think they are thinking about the stickiness of the grease (any grease) and
> suggesting it is better to use an oil with those lightweight plastic
> bearings.  I don’t remember any such warning on the Lewmar winch grease,
> although it looks and feels different (dark color) from the Harken (white
> grease).  However, the Barient instructions on the C&C site says to
> lubricate everything except the pawls with Barlube, which I presume is a
> grease, so likely I am worrying too much.Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List winch grease

[schiller via CnC-List]

Remember that grease is simply an oil in a binder material.  Most of the 
red greases are an oil (synthetic or petroleum) in a very fine clay 
binder (read kitty litter).  When the oil migrates out of the binder, 
you are the left with a gooey mess.  Other greases use a soap (lithium) 
binder.  Braycote uses Bray oil in a teflon based perfluorinate 
polyether binder so that when the synthetic oils separate, the binder 
left is still slippery.  The best recipe is to keep the oil mixed with 
the binder.  We spent a lot of time looking at this for greases that 
could be in storage for up to 30 years and had to work immediately.


For a grease that is compatible with plastic bearings, look toward fine 
synthetic oils.  Lithium and perfluornates are basically inert.  It will 
definitely depend on the plastic material used in the bearing but most 
tolerate synthetics.  Most plastics used in bearings are self 
lubricating and shouldn't need anything more that flushing the dirt out 
of them.


 Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Retired Rocket Scientist

On 3/13/2016 10:32 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
My interpretation of what I have read is that it is not about the 
compatibility of the grease with the plastic (although that could be 
an issue),  but more about how to effectively lubricate a plastic 
bearing.  I think they are thinking about the stickiness of the grease 
(any grease) and suggesting it is better to use an oil with those 
lightweight plastic bearings.  I don’t remember any such warning on 
the Lewmar winch grease, although it looks and feels different (dark 
color) from the Harken (white grease).  However, the Barient 
instructions on the C&C site says to lubricate everything except the 
pawls with Barlube, which I presume is a grease, so likely I am 
worrying too much.Dave


Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT





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Re: Stus-List winch grease

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

When I worked at Edson, we used nylon caged stainless steel needle bearings in 
our pedestals, similar to what I’ve seen used in Lewmar and Barient winches.  
Our recommended lubricant was a Teflon based lubricant called Super Lube, 
available in small .3 oz tubes with an applicator nozzle or in 3oz or 14oz 
tubes.  I’ve found this lubricant to be available at most Ace Hardware stores.  
The issue with using a petroleum based lubricant with nylon caged bearings was 
the cage was susceptible to deterioration as a result of the grease acting like 
a solvent to the cage materials.  Over time the cages would soften up and fail 
to support the needle bearings under load.

I think Dave is on the right track, indicating that each manufacturer has its 
own specific branded lube that would be compatible with the bearing materials 
used in the winch.  The key component is that petroleum wheel bearing grease, 
straight out of the automotive garage may not be suitable on several levels, 
either with regards to chemical compatibility or with viscosity.  

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk 1 (still for sale!)

 

Orion

1983 35 Landfall

Pandanaram, MA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of DaviWd 
Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:33 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List winch grease

 

My interpretation of what I have read is that it is not about the compatibility 
of the grease with the plastic (although that could be an issue),  but more 
about how to effectively lubricate a plastic bearing.  I think they are 
thinking about the stickiness of the grease (any grease) and suggesting it is 
better to use an oil with those lightweight plastic bearings.  I don’t remember 
any such warning on the Lewmar winch grease, although it looks and feels 
different (dark color) from the Harken (white grease).  However, the Barient 
instructions on the C&C site says to lubricate everything except the pawls with 
Barlube, which I presume is a grease, so likely I am worrying too much.Dave

 

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Wiring an inverter

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Just a note here, I notice Del City is now handling a lot of Blue Sea
inventory.

http://www.delcity.net/productsearch?search=blue+sea&x=0&y=0&it=#search=blue
%20sea&mpp=72

Don't know how their prices compare.


Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John
Pennie via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie
Subject: Stus-List Wiring an inverter

So I'm n the process of upgrading the electrical panel on Paws.  DC is
straightforward using the new 360 panel from Blue Sea (really nice stuff).  

I do want to add a small inverter (~1000 watts) routed to the main panel.
Yes I know it won't run air conditioning.

So the plan is to route the AC out from the inverter to a  DP breaker to a
DP rotary source selector switch to the  AC main panel.  The problem is that
every mid sized inverter I've seen (such as the Xantrex Pro series) wants to
control everything via the transfer switch in the inverter.  I don't want a
$300 inverter to have that much control.  

Can you simply by-pass the built in transfer switch by not connecting the
inverter "in" line?

Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot.  Already been flamed on CF.

John


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Re: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

If I am understanding you correctly, I would think you could bore those
holes slightly oversize, and squeeze in either a stainless tube bushing, or
Nylon of Delrin bushing, which would make a much nicer bearing surface.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Liles via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:22 PM
To: Stuslist
Cc: Alan Liles
Subject: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting

 

Preparing to remove my rig, I found the gooseneck fitting (toggle?) worn
around the vertical pin. Where might I source a new one. The boat is a '94
37/40+. I'm not sure of the manufacturer. 

On another note, is there a way to search subjects in the list archive? I'm
sure this has come up before but I haven't found a way to retrieve the
thread. 

 

Cheers, Al

 

 

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Stus-List Searching the Photo Album archives

[Stu via CnC-List]

There are 2 functions on the Photo Album for searching:

1.  Enter your search word and press go.  This will search the Photo Album for 
any articles containing your search word.

2. Enter your search word and press go.  This will search our email list 
archives for your search word.


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Re: Stus-List winch grease

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

My interpretation of what I have read is that it is not about the compatibility 
of the grease with the plastic (although that could be an issue),  but more 
about how to effectively lubricate a plastic bearing.  I think they are 
thinking about the stickiness of the grease (any grease) and suggesting it is 
better to use an oil with those lightweight plastic bearings.  I don’t remember 
any such warning on the Lewmar winch grease, although it looks and feels 
different (dark color) from the Harken (white grease).  However, the Barient 
instructions on the C&C site says to lubricate everything except the pawls with 
Barlube, which I presume is a grease, so likely I am worrying too much.Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT




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Re: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

I suggest check with Offshore spars, they are probably the manufacturer and 
have spare parts.

Bruno lachance
Becassine
33 mk II 87
New Richmond, Qc

Envoyé de mon iPad

> Le 12 mars 2016 à 12:22, Alan Liles via CnC-List  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Preparing to remove my rig, I found the gooseneck fitting (toggle?) worn 
> around the vertical pin. Where might I source a new one. The boat is a '94 
> 37/40+. I'm not sure of the manufacturer. 
> On another note, is there a way to search subjects in the list archive? I'm 
> sure this has come up before but I haven't found a way to retrieve the 
> thread. 
> 
> Cheers, Al
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Re: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting - now searching cnc list archives

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Even better than the #2 method noted below, searching for content on a specific 
site would be done using the search string:

rudder site:cnc-list.com

See here: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

From: Alan Liles via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Alan Liles 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gooseneck fitting - now searching cnc list archives

I am amazed at how well this list works. Thanks to everyone who helps out. 

Cheers, Al 


On Mar 12, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:


  Two methods.

  1. Go here and enter your search string in the search window at the top:  
https://www.mail-archive.com/cnc-list@cnc-list.com/


  2.  Go to google and enter "cnc-list.com" plus your search string.  For 
example, if you want posts about a rudder, enter "cnc-list.com rudder".


  Dennis C.




  On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Alan Liles via CnC-List 
 wrote:

On another note, is there a way to search subjects in the list archive? I'm 
sure this has come up before but I haven't found a way to retrieve the thread.



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