Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

One of those wires is the positive, and the other is the negative.

Bill Bina
On Jun 17, 2016 4:15 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my
> P.O.C. solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay.
>
> Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg
>
> Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the
> controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together?
> If so, can that just be cut?
>
> And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power!
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Odd wave in Chesapeake

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On Jun 17, 2016 3:59 PM, "Brian Fry"  wrote:
>
> Leaving Solomon's last week in the morning, headed north, experienced an
odd wave. We were offshore from Cove Point, light winds from SE, motoring
in near calm water.
> All of a sudden, 2 waves about 4 ft or 5 ft high just a few feet apart
came down the bay, from the north. We drive right into them, the second one
just about coming over the bow.
> Had anyone experienced this?
> No traffic was in sight.
> I am thinking a wave created by the tide shift from high to low, at a
narrow part of the bay.
> Freaky.
> I spoke with a sailor from Solomon's and he had never seen it.
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Re: Stus-List C 30mkI numbering

[schiller via CnC-List]

My 1970 Redwing 35 also just has a small plate at the helm but it does have the 
RW35-7-70 hull ID stamped on it.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
White Lake, Michigan

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 3:27 PM, rick bushie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Anchovy doesn't have a HIN.  Just a small C plate on the transom inside the 
> cockpit with 30-1 on one end and 1971N on the opposite end.
> 
> Rick Bushie
> 1971 30-1 Anchovy
> Tolchester, MD
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

I assume you have a good controller already (?). If you don’t - get one. 
Genasun tops the list.

 

That would not get you through a few evenings, but it works wonders to keep the 
batteries topped up. Mine is 25 W.

 

Marek

 

Ottawa, ON

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 16:30
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

 

Josh,

 

Wow — 10 gauge wire? I’d like to get bigger, but need it to fit on the sliding 
companionway hatch. Plus, I only need a trickle charge to keep the batteries 
topped off. 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 

 






 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:

 

That's a positive and negative wire.  They are heavy gauge (#10) and have MC4 
connectors.  You might want to consider a larger panel.  1.5 amps isn't hardly 
anything compared to our considerable battery banks.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jun 17, 2016 4:15 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Listers,

 

Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my P.O.C. 
solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay. 

 

Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg 

 

Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the 
controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together? If 
so, can that just be cut? 

 

And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power! 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 









 






 

 

 


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Stus-List Familiar with the 35 mk 1 "Sandpiper"

[Jeff Hodor via CnC-List]

We are in the middle of purchase now and bringing her to Annapolis on the 
Chesapeake from the Toronto area. 

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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed, now 30-2 production run

[Aliant via CnC-List]

OK, I think I've got it. Our's is 300288-74, so I assume this means a 30, hull 
number 28 built in August 1974. Am I correct?

Wayne Anstey
30 mk1 1974
Resilience
Bedford, NS, Canada

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Sébastien Lemieux via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine is 30018F787, so a 30-2 with hull #18 built in June 1987. The builder's 
> certificate was signed on July 15, 1987. Sailboatdata missed the first year.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> --
> Sébastien Lemieux
> Merlot X, C 30-2 1988
> Lake Champlain
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:15 , RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run.
>> 
>> Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built 
>> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they 
>> have hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title).
>> 
>> This Canadian Yachting article 
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run 
>> was 1973-1985 with over 800 built.
>> 
>> This measurements page 
>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm says the production 
>> years were 1972-1980.
>> 
>> None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull 
>> #7, built in September 1972.  The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I 
>> wonder what his HIN's month and year are.  And I have blueprints (sail plan, 
>> deck hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with 
>> drawing dates in 1970.  Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 
>> production ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull 
>> #800-something.
>> 
>> Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com 
>> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550) and the above 
>> measurements page indicate production started in 1988.  I assume the hull 
>> number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat 
>> than the 30-1.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>> From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
>> To: "cnc-list" 
>> Cc: "Gary Nylander" 
>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>> 
>> There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the 
>> low 600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are 
>> very different.
>>  
>> Gary
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of allen via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:49 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: allen 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>>  
>> Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
>> start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.
>> Allen Miles
>> S/V Septima 30-2
>>  
>> From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Allan Rheaume
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>>  
>> Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
>> off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing 
>> filters etc as has been mentioned.
>>  
>> Al Rheaume
>> Drumroll 30-2 # 90
>>  
>> From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: Lorne Serpa 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
>> Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>>  
>> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from 
>> my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  
>> How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the 
>> engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it 
>> reversed to begin with? 
>> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I 
>> have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away 
>> within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair 
>> /reverse it to correct direction ASAP. 
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Aliant via CnC-List]

How do you find out the hull number?

Wayne Anstey
30 mk1, 1974
Resilience
Bedford, NS, Canada

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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:15 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run.
> 
> Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built 
> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they 
> have hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title).
> 
> This Canadian Yachting article 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run 
> was 1973-1985 with over 800 built.
> 
> This measurements page 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm says the production 
> years were 1972-1980.
> 
> None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, 
> built in September 1972.  The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder 
> what his HIN's month and year are.  And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck 
> hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with 
> drawing dates in 1970.  Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 
> production ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull 
> #800-something.
> 
> Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com 
> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550) and the above 
> measurements page indicate production started in 1988.  I assume the hull 
> number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat 
> than the 30-1.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
> To: "cnc-list" 
> Cc: "Gary Nylander" 
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
> 
> There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
> 600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
> different.
>  
> Gary
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of allen via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:49 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: allen 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
> start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.
> Allen Miles
> S/V Septima 30-2
>  
> From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Allan Rheaume
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
> off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
> etc as has been mentioned.
>  
> Al Rheaume
> Drumroll 30-2 # 90
>  
> 
> From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Lorne Serpa 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
> Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from 
> my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  
> How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the 
> engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it 
> reversed to begin with? 
> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
> ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a 
> day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
> correct direction ASAP.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Josh,

Wow — 10 gauge wire? I’d like to get bigger, but need it to fit on the sliding 
companionway hatch. Plus, I only need a trickle charge to keep the batteries 
topped off. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 





> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a positive and negative wire.  They are heavy gauge (#10) and have MC4 
> connectors.  You might want to consider a larger panel.  1.5 amps isn't 
> hardly anything compared to our considerable battery banks.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 4:15 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  > wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my P.O.C. 
> solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay. 
> 
> Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg 
>  
> 
> Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the 
> controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together? 
> If so, can that just be cut? 
> 
> And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power! 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Evan Morgan via CnC-List]

Edd,
Positive and negative. With MC4 connectors.

Evan
Wind Affair
C 26 Encounter (for sale).



From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:15 PM
To: C List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

Listers,

Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my P.O.C. 
solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay. 

Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg 

Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the 
controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together? If 
so, can that just be cut? 

And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power! 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Stus-List Latest C

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

So hull #1 of the new redline is already on the brokerage market?   Anyone know 
the story?

John


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Re: Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

That's a positive and negative wire.  They are heavy gauge (#10) and have
MC4 connectors.  You might want to consider a larger panel.  1.5 amps isn't
hardly anything compared to our considerable battery banks.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 17, 2016 4:15 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my
> P.O.C. solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay.
>
> Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg
>
> Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the
> controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together?
> If so, can that just be cut?
>
> And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power!
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Maxwell windlass sale

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I am planning on adding a vertical windlass to my LF38 this summer.   I was 
originally planning on going with a Lewmar V2 5/16” G4 gypsy-only, but I have 
just noticed that Maxwell windlasses are on sale at what looks like a great 
deal.  

Does anyone have experience with the Maxwell RC8-8?   Defender has it on sale 
for $1,126 which seems like a bargain compared to the Lewmar V2 priced at 
$1,665.  
 

-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

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Stus-List Solar Panel Replacement Question

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Thanks to the list suggestions to another, I’m looking to replace my P.O.C. 
solar panel with a 30W one being sold on eBay. 

Please see: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-bgAAOSwHQ9Wbt4x/s-l1600.jpg 

Question — I see two cables coming off it. I assume one goes to the 
controller/battery. What is the other for? Chaining more than one together? If 
so, can that just be cut? 

And yes, before anyone else says it: Scotty, I need more power! 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Stus-List Odd wave in Chesapeake

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Leaving Solomon's last week in the morning, headed north, experienced an
odd wave. We were offshore from Cove Point, light winds from SE, motoring
in near calm water.
All of a sudden, 2 waves about 4 ft or 5 ft high just a few feet apart came
down the bay, from the north. We drive right into them, the second one just
about coming over the bow.
Had anyone experienced this?
No traffic was in sight.
I am thinking a wave created by the tide shift from high to low, at a
narrow part of the bay.
Freaky.
I spoke with a sailor from Solomon's and he had never seen it.
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Re: Stus-List Awful Vibration

[Dave via CnC-List]

Tom, 

That's exactly my problem. If the blades are moving freely then that's probably 
not the problem. I'll be checking to see if my gear shift is moving the 
transmission into fully engaged forward tomorrow. If that's the issue I'll 
certainly let you know. If it's not then I'm not sure what to do except call 
the transmission guy again. 

Dave J 
Saltaire 
C 35Mk3 
Bristol, RI 


- Original Message -

From: "Tom Lynch"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "ALAN BERGEN" , davidjaco...@comcast.net 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Awful Vibration 

Dave, 

What you are describing is the same thing that is happening on my 1985 33 MKII 
with Yanmar 2GM20. I have a folding martek prop and when I leave my slip the 
blades open (No vibration ) but anytime I slow the boat down like when I'm 
coming back to the marina and I throttle down while still in forward gear the 
blades Close ?? (I'll get a nasty vibration) and the only way to stop the 
vibration is to shift into reverse stop the boat and shift back to forward. 

This is especially cumbersome when out sailing and taking down sails with 
forward momentum and when I run the engine and shift to forward, I'll get the 
nasty vibration, the vibration stops only when I shift to reverse until I 
completely get stopped and then I can shift to forward and no vibration. 

What I was planning to do was send the prop to martec for refurbishing at the 
end of this season; however, now after what I'm reading this thread I'm not so 
sure that is the right solution. When inspecting the prop before launch this 
spring, the blades easily opened and closed by hand. 

I'm now thinking that the problem may be with the shaft spinning to slowly or 
transmission not fully engaged. Sorry that I'm not offering any new solutions 
here but just commiserating. 

Tom Lynch 
Bayfield WI 
IndoIrish 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Dave via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Alan, 

My gear shift linkage is totally different with the cable coming in from 
forward of the lever through a bracket. Its pretty obvious that I need only to 
remove the lever rotate it 180 degrees and reattach it to make forward be 
forward again. 

I'm guessing that if the vibration was due to misalignment, engine mounts, 
bearing or bent shaft that the vibration would always be their and not only 
after slowing down. The prop, which is what I thought the issue was, has been 
replaces with a brand new geared prop and since a new prop didn't fix the 
problem that's not it. 

I did find the following on the web; 



My prop opens easily by hand and when the blades are oriented properly the 
lower one will hang down by its own weight. Given that data, I knew with 
absolute certainty that if it spins, it has to open. The condition Bob and Dyk 
are describing happened to me just after I reinstalled the engine after 
rebuilding it and I had not adjusted the linkage properly. I would have to rev 
the engine up around 1500-1800 and it would rumble and abruptly "kerchunk" and 
churn water at the stern. Initially I thought that was the prop opening, but 
knowing how loose the prop was I knew there was no reason for it to be closed 
before that. So I looked at the shaft. When put into gear, it would spin but so 
slowly that there wasn't enough revolution to drive the boat. I pushed on the 
linkage lever on the transmission and wham it fully engaged and the shaft 
started spinning like it should - much faster. I realized the rumbling I heard 
was gears trying to mesh and the kerchunk I had heard was the transmission 
popping into gear, not the prop opening. I adjusted the linakge so now when I 
shift into forward, the boat moves even at low RPMs. 

Dyk, Bob, I don't know how tight a brand new or recently rebuilt prop is 
supposed to be, but a spinning mass generates quite a bit of force. The formula 
for centripetal force is F=mv^2/r with m=mass of object, v=velocity at a 
certain radius, and r= radius. A quick check of the numbers will tell you that 
even at low RPM, there is easily enough force to open your prop. Keep in mind 
that if it is so tight that it won't open, it shouldn't be able to close 
either, so when sailing an open prop should be spinning like mad and you can 
hear and feel that. If you can assure yourself that the prop is opening and 
closing, the only other variable in the equation is the RPM of the shaft. I can 
only speak from my own experience and what worked for me but there is no reason 
I can think of for a clean, properly adjusted prop to not open. It has been 
designed to open when it revolves. Good luck! 



Dyk Luben 

unregistered posted 09-13-2002 02:36 PM 

 

I need to follow up on my propeller situation. After further study, I found 
that indeed the propeller shaft was spinning too slowly. It was a problem in 
what I called the transmission, but what the 

Re: Stus-List 30MKII Screens in the ports?

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

A friend had a Lancer 30, C design, and replaced them with something from 
Bomar.  It was pretty much a drop in fit as I recall.  Don't know the exact 
part number.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

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Cc: Lorne Serpa 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MKII Screens in the ports?
   
The 4 equal size ones in the cabin solon.  Not the large opening hatch/escape 
hatch.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:34 AM, allen via CnC-List  
wrote:

Which ports are you describing? Allen MilesS/V Septima C 30-2Hampton, VA
From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:50 PMTo: 
Cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Lorne Serpa Subject: Stus-List 30MKII Screens in the 
ports?
My new to me 30MKII) 1988) is 2000 miles away,  but wondering if the 4 lewmar 
ports have bug screens in them.  Anyone know?  If not,  where can I get some?  
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Re: Stus-List C 30mkI numbering

[rick bushie via CnC-List]

Anchovy doesn't have a HIN.  Just a small C plate on the transom inside
the cockpit with 30-1 on one end and 1971N on the opposite end.

Rick Bushie
1971 30-1 Anchovy
Tolchester, MD
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed, now 30-2 production run

[Sébastien Lemieux via CnC-List]

Mine is 30018F787, so a 30-2 with hull #18 built in June 1987. The builder's 
certificate was signed on July 15, 1987. Sailboatdata missed the first year.

cheers,

--
Sébastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:15 , RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run.
> 
> Sailboatdata.com  says the 30-1 production run went 
> 1973-1981 with 800 built 
> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; 
>  don't know why they 
> have hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title).
> 
> This Canadian Yachting article 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm 
>  says the production 
> run was 1973-1985 with over 800 built.
> 
> This measurements page 
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm 
>  says the production 
> years were 1972-1980.
> 
> None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, 
> built in September 1972.  The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder 
> what his HIN's month and year are.  And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck 
> hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with 
> drawing dates in 1970.  Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 
> production ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull 
> #800-something.
> 
> Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com  
> (http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550 
> ) and the above 
> measurements page indicate production started in 1988.  I assume the hull 
> number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat 
> than the 30-1.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
> To: "cnc-list" 
> Cc: "Gary Nylander" 
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
> 
> There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
> 600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
> different.
>  
> Gary
>  
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
> start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.
> Allen Miles
> S/V Septima 30-2
>  
> From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Allan Rheaume 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
> off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
> etc as has been mentioned.
>  
> Al Rheaume
> Drumroll 30-2 # 90
>  
> From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List  >
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> Cc: Lorne Serpa >
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
> Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>  
> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from 
> my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  
> How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the 
> engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it 
> reversed to begin with? 
> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
> ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a 
> day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
> correct direction ASAP. 
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Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[Jeff Hodor via CnC-List]

If sailing at the right angles I believe you can be competitivesomewhat. 
What was the true wind speed usually. Say on a frustrating night?  Are you 
trying to follow the symmetrical chutes to the leeward mark at the same angle? 
In anything but a good blow you should be sailing a much higher angle and 
therefore gybing more. It will feel very very strange when you are doing it 
right, like at the right angles. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Two friends, who are now getting ready to start the Newport to Bermuda race 
> on their Cal 40s,  carry both symmetrical and asymmetrical chutes. They use 
> their pole with both. When they have variable conditions and the wind is from 
> the beam and moving back and forth, they can put the asym on the pole and 
> bring it back when necessary, but can bring it to the forestay for reaching.
>  
> The rules (PHRF Chesapeake) penalize for both spinnakers (3 sec) and have 
> more penalties for poles longer than J. If you use a whisker pole, you have 
> to mark it at the J measurement and not go longer or you will get penalized.
>  
> Gary, St. Michaels MD
>  
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> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:54 AM
> To: C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole
>  
> I think you'll find that at typical spinnaker pole is too short.  Spin poles 
> are roughly equal to the "J" length.  As I understand it an asym pole should 
> be roughly the same length as the foot.
> 
> I just bought a whisker pole from forespar.  The website has lots of guidance 
> regarding recommended pole length.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Jun 17, 2016 11:45 AM, "TOM VINCENT via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the 
> race committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a down 
> wind leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does very 
> poorly dead down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was 
> wondering if we used a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down wind. 
> I was wondering if anyone on the forum has any experience using a pole with 
> an assymetrical spinnaker.
>  
> Tom Vincent
> Frolic II, C 36 cb
> Chesapeake City, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Sébastien Lemieux via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

  Just my personal experience... I bought my boat in Quebec, from a Quebec 
owner, but through a broker. Our purchase price included both PST and GST 
(2011).

  The previous owner (Quebec resident) bought the boat from Boston (through a 
US broker) and had to pay GST upon entry in Quebec (2008). The boat was brought 
by road and taxes were paid through a "customs broker". I had to present all 
this documentation when I registered the boat with Transport Canada in 2011 and 
they were happy with everything.

  Two weeks ago, when I moved the boat from Quebec to NY, I had to present all 
these documents at the US customs. They seemed happy with what I showed, but I 
was a little bit puzzled as to why the US customs would verify this.

cheers,

Seb

--
Sébastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 8:59 , Bill Connon via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
> Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no tax 
> whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out there have 
> definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we still operate 
> under Napoleonic Civil law)
> 
> Bill
> Caprice 1
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

One of the differences between the earliest 30-1’s and later ones was they 
raised the boom by a foot. I don’t know what number was the first production 
boat with that configuration, but the 1-506 denomination has the shorter main. 
And, my #593 is the same….

 

Gary

 

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

I believe after 506 they changed from aluminum extruded frames on the windows 
to the newer style.  Was still a mark1.

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: RANDY
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run.

 

Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built 
(http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they have 
hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title).

 

This Canadian Yachting article 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run 
was 1973-1985 with over 800 built.

 

This measurements page http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm 
says the production years were 1972-1980.

 

None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, 
built in September 1972.  The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder 
what his HIN's month and year are.  And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck 
hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with drawing 
dates in 1970.  Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 production 
ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull #800-something.

 

Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com 
(http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550) and the above 
measurements page indicate production started in 1988.  I assume the hull 
number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat than 
the 30-1.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

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From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List"  >
To: "cnc-list"  >
Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
different.

 

Gary

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: allen  >
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.

Allen Miles

S/V Septima 30-2

 

From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Allan Rheaume   

Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
etc as has been mentioned.

 

Al Rheaume

Drumroll 30-2 # 90

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
Cc: Lorne Serpa  >
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from my 
boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  How 
would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine 
side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it reversed to 
begin with? 
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a day 
of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
correct direction ASAP. 


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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You probably won't be able to tell anything from pictures accept maybe the
answer to my first question.  Does it have an integrated throttle and gear
shift as part of the same control lever?

It would look something like this:
https://goo.gl/images/qfMoLX

Josh
On Jun 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> HummmI does have a feathering prop.
> I'll have to look at the pictures and see what way it turns.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a thought.  What type of throttle does it have?  Is there a chance
>> that it is integrated throttle and shift?  Straight up and down is
>> neutral.  Pushing forward would both shift into forward and progressively
>> throttle up.  Pulling aft would shift into reverse and progressively
>> throttle up.  The throttle COULD be "reversed" in that pushing forward
>> engages reverse and pulling back engages the forward gear.  This can happen
>> 2 different ways.  Either the boat has been repowered with an engine or
>> gearbox that spins the shaft opposite.  OR, a feathering prop was installed
>> and set up backwards.  Either of these conditions can be corrected by
>> changing the prop.
>>
>> Maybe
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> On Jun 16, 2016 1:50 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles
>>> from my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is
>>> reversed.  How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side
>>> or on the engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO
>>> have it reversed to begin with?
>>> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I
>>> have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away
>>> within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair
>>> /reverse it to correct direction ASAP.
>>>
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

HummmI does have a feathering prop.
I'll have to look at the pictures and see what way it turns.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here's a thought.  What type of throttle does it have?  Is there a chance
> that it is integrated throttle and shift?  Straight up and down is
> neutral.  Pushing forward would both shift into forward and progressively
> throttle up.  Pulling aft would shift into reverse and progressively
> throttle up.  The throttle COULD be "reversed" in that pushing forward
> engages reverse and pulling back engages the forward gear.  This can happen
> 2 different ways.  Either the boat has been repowered with an engine or
> gearbox that spins the shaft opposite.  OR, a feathering prop was installed
> and set up backwards.  Either of these conditions can be corrected by
> changing the prop.
>
> Maybe
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jun 16, 2016 1:50 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles
>> from my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is
>> reversed.  How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side
>> or on the engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO
>> have it reversed to begin with?
>> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I
>> have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away
>> within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair
>> /reverse it to correct direction ASAP.
>>
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I believe after 506 they changed from aluminum extruded frames on the windows 
to the newer style.  Was still a mark1.



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:16 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: RANDY
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run.

Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built 
(http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they have 
hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title).

This Canadian Yachting article 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run 
was 1973-1985 with over 800 built.

This measurements page http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm 
says the production years were 1972-1980.

None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, 
built in September 1972.  The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder 
what his HIN's month and year are.  And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck 
hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with drawing 
dates in 1970.  Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 production 
ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull #800-something.

Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com 
(http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550) and the above 
measurements page indicate production started in 1988.  I assume the hull 
number sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat than 
the 30-1.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
>
To: "cnc-list" >
Cc: "Gary Nylander" >
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
different.

Gary

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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.
Allen Miles
S/V Septima 30-2

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
etc as has been mentioned.

Al Rheaume
Drumroll 30-2 # 90


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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from my 
boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  How 
would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine 
side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it reversed to 
begin with?
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a day 
of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
correct direction ASAP.

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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[RANDY via CnC-List]

There is conflicting information published on the 30-1's production run. 

Sailboatdata.com says the 30-1 production run went 1973-1981 with 800 built ( 
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1288; don't know why they have 
hull numbers (apparently) 1-506 in the class title). 

This Canadian Yachting article 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/reviews/review30mk1.htm says the production run 
was 1973-1985 with over 800 built. 

This measurements page http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm 
says the production years were 1972-1980. 

None of that seems completely accurate - my 30-1's HIN is 30007972 - hull #7, 
built in September 1972. The owner of 30-1 hull #1 is on this list; I wonder 
what his HIN's month and year are. And I have blueprints (sail plan, deck 
hardware, etc.) for a "C 30 auxiliary sloop" drafted by Rob Ball with drawing 
dates in 1970. Finally it would seem from those sources that 30-1 production 
ended sometime between 1980 and 1985, presumably with hull #800-something. 

Regarding the 30-2, sailboatdata.com ( 
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1550 ) and the above 
measurements page indicate production started in 1988. I assume the hull number 
sequence restarted at hull #1, since it's a different model of boat than the 
30-1. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

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To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:32:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed 



There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
different. 



Gary 




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Quick question Al. Your 30-2 is #90. When did they finish making 30-1s and 
start numbering 30-2s? I am 167. 


Allen Miles 


S/V Septima 30-2 





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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 


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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed 





Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
etc as has been mentioned. 





Al Rheaume 


Drumroll 30-2 # 90 






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Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed 





I'm going over my survey which I was not present for. I'm 2000 miles from my 
boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed. How 
would I fix this? Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine side 
at the carburetor /throttle valve? Why would the PO have it reversed to begin 
with? 
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
ahead of time and tools/parts I might need. I need to sail away within a day of 
arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to correct 
direction ASAP. 



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Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Tom

To answer your question it can be done.  On two occasions we have flown an asym 
off the pole.  In both instances the boats involved had both symmetric 
spinnakers and asymmetric declared.

One time the skipper on a Frers 33 (not mine) decided the next leg was a reach 
and opted for the asym over the sym spin.  Wind moved aft and rather than 
changing sails we moved the tack from centerline to the pole using a dedicated 
guy and ran it like a symmetric spinnaker.  It was better than tacked 
centerline but not s good as the regular symmetric spinnaker

The other time was on a C  The symmetric spinnaker was washed out of the 
bag by waves just prior to launch and damaged badly.  This was a distance race 
and since we had the experience previously on the Frers we ran the asym 
(eventually) using pole, sheet and guy.  It worked as well

I don't think gybing would be any fun though 

Mike

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Cc: TOM VINCENT
Subject: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the race 
committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a down wind 
leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does very poorly dead 
down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was wondering if we used 
a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down wind. I was wondering if 
anyone on the forum has any experience using a pole with an assymetrical 
spinnaker.

Tom Vincent
Frolic II, C 36 cb
Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List C 30mkI numbering [was 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed]

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

My 1981 30mkI was hull number 677, for what it’s worth.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
> 600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
> different.
>  
> Gary

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Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Many areas handicap a traditional boat (one designed for a symmetric spinnaker 
and pole) differently for a symmetric spinnaker vs asymmetric.  In Nova Scotia 
for example a C as a masthead boat would have a 9 sec/mile credit if the 
only spinnaker declared was an asymmetric tacked centerline at bow.  However if 
you were to fly it off a pole it would be treated as a symmetric spinnaker and 
this credit would be lost

C in NS.  171 (with 180% symmetric spinnaker, 150 genoa, main).  Same boat 
with only asym at bow 180.  Flying asym off pole as a declaration puts the PHRF 
180 boat back to 171.  Flying the ASYM off pole without declaring it is grounds 
for protest and DSQ

You should check with your Race Committee and/or handicap representative before 
trying this configuration.

Regards

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole


I think you'll find that at typical spinnaker pole is too short.  Spin poles 
are roughly equal to the "J" length.  As I understand it an asym pole should be 
roughly the same length as the foot.

I just bought a whisker pole from forespar.  The website has lots of guidance 
regarding recommended pole length.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 17, 2016 11:45 AM, "TOM VINCENT via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the race 
committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a down wind 
leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does very poorly dead 
down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was wondering if we used 
a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down wind. I was wondering if 
anyone on the forum has any experience using a pole with an assymetrical 
spinnaker.

Tom Vincent
Frolic II, C 36 cb
Chesapeake City, MD

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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Aliant via CnC-List]

Many years ago, I purchased a used PY 23. I did not license it. I owned it for 
5 years and never received a notice regarding tax and of course, never paid 
any. When I sold the boat, the new owner paid the tax on his purchase. This 
caused the authorities to enquire as to when I purchased the boat and how much 
I paid. Of course, I ended up paying the tax. Just goes to show they will catch 
up with you eventually.

Wayne Anstey
Resilience, 1974 C 30 mk1
Bedford, NS, Canada

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bill,
>  
> This is definitely not definite knowledge (CRA is the only one, who could 
> provide you this).
>  
> As far as I know, there is no difference between private sale and brokerage 
> in terms of if the tax is due or not. The only difference is that if you buy 
> through a brokerage, the tax is is withheld at the time of purchase (they 
> have the obligation to do that). If you buy a boat (or anything else) 
> privately, it is your obligation to comply. CRA may not know about the 
> transaction, so it may not come after you. However, the fact that they don’t 
> know, does not mean that the tax is not due.
>  
> Anything that you buy and have to register with any government agency 
> usually, attract the attention of the tax authorities. So when you buy a car, 
> you have to pay the tax or they would not issue the plates. With a boat, it 
> is a bit different, as you  usually don’t “register” the boat (in Canada). 
> Rather, you “licence” it. You don’t need to licence the boat if it not 
> powered or the motor is under 10 HP (hence, plenty of 9.9 HP motors). I think 
> there is some length limitation, as well, but I cannot find it. Here is a 
> link to Transport Canada web site: 
> https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/debs-obs-paperwork-paperwork_boat_licence-1898.htm.
>  But if your boat has a bigger engine, you have to license it and this would 
> trigger a notice to CRA. In my case the provincial tax authorities woke up to 
> my buying the boat almost full three years after the transaction happened. 
> Interestingly, the trigger was not my importing it across the border (where I 
> had to show that the taxes were paid), but my licensing the boat.
>  
> If you buy a smaller boat, you can try hiding under the radar and the 
> authorities may not find you. However, if they do, you will have some 
> explaining to do (and a fine to pay).
>  
> Marek
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: Bill Connon via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 09:00
> To: C List
> Cc: Bill Connon
> Subject: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada
>  
> We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
> Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no 
> tax whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out 
> there have definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we 
> still operate under Napoleonic Civil law)
> 
> Bill
> Caprice 1
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Re: Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I think you'll find that at typical spinnaker pole is too short.  Spin
poles are roughly equal to the "J" length.  As I understand it an asym pole
should be roughly the same length as the foot.

I just bought a whisker pole from forespar.  The website has lots of
guidance regarding recommended pole length.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 17, 2016 11:45 AM, "TOM VINCENT via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the
race committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a
down wind leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does
very poorly dead down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was
wondering if we used a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down
wind. I was wondering if anyone on the forum has any experience using a
pole with an assymetrical spinnaker.

Tom Vincent
Frolic II, C 36 cb
Chesapeake City, MD

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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Yes, there is sales tax between private owners on boat sales in Canada.  I 
found this out recently. I bought my boat in Ontario three years ago from a 
private individual...sales tax didn't even enter into my head.  Then I 
dutifully registered the change of ownership with the federal government.

Well, 3 years later I received a letter from the Ontario government stating 
that they had been advised by the federal government that I had a boat and they 
were wondering whether or not I had paid sales tax!   My accountant said that 
other than making up a fake bill of sale or lying and sending them after the 
PO, I had no choice other than to pay it.  At least they were kind enough not 
to charge interest.

Mike
Atacama 33mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The condition I described was suggesting that the transmission output shaft
rotation was mis-matched to the prop as a result of engine
replacement/repower or failure to setup the prop properly.

I agree that the output shaft rotation should be in accordance with the
manufacturers guidance.

Josh
On Jun 17, 2016 10:54 AM, "S Thomas via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> "Either of these conditions can be corrected by changing the prop."
>
> It is generally not a good idea to run a transmission in reverse all of
> the time, since with most designs this involves more gears running, and
> wear that they aren't designed for, but there may be exceptions. If I knew
> for sure that it was ok with my transmission it sure would open more
> possibilities in the used prop market for my boat.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
> C
> Merritt Island, FL
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 08:48
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed
>
> Here's a thought.  What type of throttle does it have?  Is there a chance
> that it is integrated throttle and shift?  Straight up and down is
> neutral.  Pushing forward would both shift into forward and progressively
> throttle up.  Pulling aft would shift into reverse and progressively
> throttle up.  The throttle COULD be "reversed" in that pushing forward
> engages reverse and pulling back engages the forward gear.  This can happen
> 2 different ways.  Either the boat has been repowered with an engine or
> gearbox that spins the shaft opposite.  OR, a feathering prop was installed
> and set up backwards.  Either of these conditions can be corrected by
> changing the prop.
>
> Maybe
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jun 16, 2016 1:50 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles
>> from my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is
>> reversed.  How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side
>> or on the engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO
>> have it reversed to begin with?
>> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I
>> have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away
>> within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair
>> /reverse it to correct direction ASAP.
>>
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Stus-List Assymetrical spinnaker pole

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

I race on Wednesday nights on the Bohemia River in Maryland and lately the race 
committee has been doing a better job having a windward start and a down wind 
leg. Unfortunately, I use an assymetrical spinnaker which does very poorly dead 
down wind, even gybing has not helped. One of my crew was wondering if we used 
a regular spinnaker pole, if it would help us down wind. I was wondering if 
anyone on the forum has any experience using a pole with an assymetrical 
spinnaker.
Tom VincentFrolic II, C 36 cbChesapeake City, MD  
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

There was a gap. My 30-1 is a 1980 and is #593. I think Curtis’ is in the low 
600’s and is a 1981. The 2’s were not started until the mid-80’s and are very 
different.

 

Gary

 

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: allen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.

Allen Miles

S/V Septima 30-2

 

From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List   

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Allan Rheaume   

Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
etc as has been mentioned.

 

Al Rheaume

Drumroll 30-2 # 90

 

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From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List  >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
Cc: Lorne Serpa  >
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

 

I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from my 
boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  How 
would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine 
side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it reversed to 
begin with? 
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a day 
of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
correct direction ASAP. 


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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Phygital via CnC-List]

Hi,

With respect to Quebec, there is no tax if the boat and owner reside in Quebec 
and is bought by someone residing in Quebec. 

If the boat is brought into Quebec from another province there is tax. The 
selling broker (e.g. Nova Scotia) SHOULD NOT apply sales tax. It is up to the 
owner to do that themselves within Quebec. If this happens Quebec WILL collect 
the tax from the new owner, and the new owner will have to pursue  getting 
his/her sales tax back from Nova Scotia (a real mess).


/J

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connon  wrote:
> 
> We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
> Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no tax 
> whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out there have 
> definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we still operate 
> under Napoleonic Civil law)
> 
> Bill
> Caprice 1
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Bill,

This is definitely not definite knowledge (CRA is the only one, who could 
provide you this).

As far as I know, there is no difference between private sale and brokerage in 
terms of if the tax is due or not. The only difference is that if you buy 
through a brokerage, the tax is is withheld at the time of purchase (they have 
the obligation to do that). If you buy a boat (or anything else) privately, it 
is your obligation to comply. CRA may not know about the transaction, so it may 
not come after you. However, the fact that they don’t know, does not mean that 
the tax is not due.

Anything that you buy and have to register with any government agency usually, 
attract the attention of the tax authorities. So when you buy a car, you have 
to pay the tax or they would not issue the plates. With a boat, it is a bit 
different, as you  usually don’t “register” the boat (in Canada). Rather, you 
“licence” it. You don’t need to licence the boat if it not powered or the motor 
is under 10 HP (hence, plenty of 9.9 HP motors). I think there is some length 
limitation, as well, but I cannot find it. Here is a link to Transport Canada 
web site: 
https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafety/debs-obs-paperwork-paperwork_boat_licence-1898.htm.
 But if your boat has a bigger engine, you have to license it and this would 
trigger a notice to CRA. In my case the provincial tax authorities woke up to 
my buying the boat almost full three years after the transaction happened. 
Interestingly, the trigger was not my importing it across the border (where I 
had to show that the taxes were paid), but my licensing the boat. 

If you buy a smaller boat, you can try hiding under the radar and the 
authorities may not find you. However, if they do, you will have some 
explaining to do (and a fine to pay).

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: Bill Connon via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 09:00
To: C List 
Cc: Bill Connon 
Subject: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no 
tax whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out 
there have definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we 
still operate under Napoleonic Civil law)

Bill
Caprice 1

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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

My experience was exactly the same as Peter's.
Broker deal - letter in the mail almost two years later.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

"Either of these conditions can be corrected by changing the prop."

It is generally not a good idea to run a transmission in reverse all of the 
time, since with most designs this involves more gears running, and wear that 
they aren't designed for, but there may be exceptions. If I knew for sure that 
it was ok with my transmission it sure would open more possibilities in the 
used prop market for my boat. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

C
Merritt Island, FL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
  To: C List 
  Cc: Josh Muckley 
  Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 08:48
  Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed


  Here's a thought.  What type of throttle does it have?  Is there a chance 
that it is integrated throttle and shift?  Straight up and down is neutral.  
Pushing forward would both shift into forward and progressively throttle up.  
Pulling aft would shift into reverse and progressively throttle up.  The 
throttle COULD be "reversed" in that pushing forward engages reverse and 
pulling back engages the forward gear.  This can happen 2 different ways.  
Either the boat has been repowered with an engine or gearbox that spins the 
shaft opposite.  OR, a feathering prop was installed and set up backwards.  
Either of these conditions can be corrected by changing the prop.

  Maybe

  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C 37+
  Solomons, MD

  On Jun 16, 2016 1:50 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List"  
wrote:

I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from 
my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  
How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine 
side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it reversed to 
begin with? 
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I 
have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a 
day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
correct direction ASAP. 


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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Like Mike said.
If you purchase a boat out of Canada, there is no tax payable unless you 
bring it to Canada, but even a single visit makes the tax payable.
It is my understanding that the country of registration makes no difference 
to the CRS for pleasure vessels, only the actual ownership.

I suspect that corporations have legal ways around this, but not us.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

P.S. I helped a friend bring a boat that he was importing across from 
Michigan a few years ago, and Pelee Island had the nearest port. Customs 
insisted that we dock at the West Dock, where their office is. It was a very 
calm afternoon, so we complied, but by the time we were done the boat was 
being ferociously slammed against the wall. Something about the hydrology 
there amplifies the wave action. If I had to do it again, I would just go to 
Scudder and call customs from there. The West Dock on Pelee Island is no 
place for small vessels.



- Original Message - 
From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 

To: 
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 09:31
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada


A sale between private owners incurs tax in Nova Scotia and likely in the 
rest of Canada.  The only difference between the private sale and using a 
broker is that the broker usually does this as part of the business 
procedures vs the private sale where the buyer is supposed to remit it 
(usually upon registration of the vessel).  I know a large number of people 
who never paid tax on their boats.  Rumor has it that some marinas are 
being visited by officials looking for boats that have not paid the sales 
tax ...


For me personally the last two boats were purchased in the US which 
required tax to be paid when the boat crossed the border (by land) or the 
tax invoice triggered by customs inspection (by sea)


Mike
Persistence
Halifax

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Connon via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:59 AM
To: C List
Cc: Bill Connon
Subject: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no 
tax whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out 
there have definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we 
still operate under Napoleonic Civil law)


Bill
Caprice 1

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Re: Stus-List Bermuda Race

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Congratulations!

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

C
Merritt Island, FL
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Joel Aronson 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 17:17
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Race


  We finished last night. Five days 7 hours. Corrected down to third because 
one boat rated 201 Jake was an iron man on the helm!


  Joel 

  On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Joel and Jake on Joel’s new boat Atlantis are doing pretty well in the 
Annapolis to Bermuda Race; I’ve been watching the tracking on Yellow Brick’s 
site:


http://yb.tl/abor2016


They’re currently in second place (uncorrected) in the Cruising 2 fleet, 
and are about 190 miles from the finish; if their speed keeps up, they’ll be 
there tomorrow some time.


— Fred




Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI




  -- 
  Joel 
  301 541 8551



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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Well my broker informed me the GST was my responsibility. He did the 
registration paperwork but did not do the tax. He suggested that many never 
do end up paying the tax but I got the letter in the mail and had to submit 
a bill-of-sale to verify selling price along with the required tax.  I can't 
recall the specifics of the letter but I think that they gave an amount that 
the tax would be based on if I didn't provide proof of the purchase price 
... and that amount was, in my case, considerably higher than what I had 
actually paid.


-Original Message- 
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

A sale between private owners incurs tax in Nova Scotia and likely in the 
rest of Canada.  The only difference between the private sale and using a 
broker is that the broker usually does this as part of the business 
procedures vs the private sale where the buyer is supposed to remit it 
(usually upon registration of the vessel).  I know a large number of people 
who never paid tax on their boats.  Rumor has it that some marinas are being 
visited by officials looking for boats that have not paid the sales tax ...


For me personally the last two boats were purchased in the US which required 
tax to be paid when the boat crossed the border (by land) or the tax invoice 
triggered by customs inspection (by sea)


Mike
Persistence
Halifax

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
Connon via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:59 AM
To: C List
Cc: Bill Connon
Subject: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no tax 
whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out there 
have definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we still 
operate under Napoleonic Civil law)


Bill
Caprice 1

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Re: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

A sale between private owners incurs tax in Nova Scotia and likely in the rest 
of Canada.  The only difference between the private sale and using a broker is 
that the broker usually does this as part of the business procedures vs the 
private sale where the buyer is supposed to remit it (usually upon registration 
of the vessel).  I know a large number of people who never paid tax on their 
boats.  Rumor has it that some marinas are being visited by officials looking 
for boats that have not paid the sales tax ...

For me personally the last two boats were purchased in the US which required 
tax to be paid when the boat crossed the border (by land) or the tax invoice 
triggered by customs inspection (by sea)

Mike
Persistence
Halifax 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Connon 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:59 AM
To: C List
Cc: Bill Connon
Subject: Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in Canada. 
One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no tax whereas a 
sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out there have definite 
knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we still operate under 
Napoleonic Civil law)

Bill
Caprice 1

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Re: Stus-List intermitent vibration/shudder in ocean swells

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Your cutlass bearing may be on its way out.  As the bearing wears, the
clearances open up and allow the shaft to wobble.

You can dive under the boat and check for play in the blades of the prop
and play in the cutlass bearing.

I have also had zincs come loose and "ride" the shaft.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 16, 2016 12:26 PM, "Andrew Means via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hey all -
>
> My friends and I are currently in Tofino, BC on day 6 of a much needed
> vacation. So far our Yanmar GM30F and 3-bladed max-prop have been
> performing brilliantly, sipping diesel and pushing the boat through the
> less-windy sections of Strait of Juan De Fuca and up and over some large
> ocean swells on our way up to Tofino.
>
> Yesterday on the way up from Ucluelet I felt a shudder/vibration as the
> boat crested a swell. It was short but pronounced. The motor didn’t change
> RPM at all or seem under load. About 10 minutes later it happened again,
> also over a swell. This time we had to lower the RPM of the engine and let
> it idle - when we brought it back up it was smooth again. This happened
> maybe 6 times over the course of the passage, always starting as we were at
> the top of a swell.
>
> We’d been going through swells at the same angle under power the day
> before with no trouble, the only difference this time was that the little
> wind there was was behind us.
>
> The only thing I can think of is that one of the blades of the max prop is
> feathering as we go over these swells. I have no idea how one would fix
> that - or if there’s any way to do so without hauling the boat out (hoping
> to avoid that mid-trip…)
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> Andrew Means
> S.V. Safari - 1977 C 34 Mk I
> Seattle, WA
>
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Stus-List Sales tax in Canada

[Bill Connon via CnC-List]

We've been having a discussion at the marina over sales tax payable in 
Canada. One thought is that a sale between two private owners incurs no 
tax whereas a sale by a broker brings on PST and GST. Does anybody out 
there have definite knowledge, especially where Quebec is involved? ( we 
still operate under Napoleonic Civil law)


Bill
Caprice 1

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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Here's a thought.  What type of throttle does it have?  Is there a chance
that it is integrated throttle and shift?  Straight up and down is
neutral.  Pushing forward would both shift into forward and progressively
throttle up.  Pulling aft would shift into reverse and progressively
throttle up.  The throttle COULD be "reversed" in that pushing forward
engages reverse and pulling back engages the forward gear.  This can happen
2 different ways.  Either the boat has been repowered with an engine or
gearbox that spins the shaft opposite.  OR, a feathering prop was installed
and set up backwards.  Either of these conditions can be corrected by
changing the prop.

Maybe

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 16, 2016 1:50 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles
> from my boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is
> reversed.  How would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side
> or on the engine side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO
> have it reversed to begin with?
> I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I
> have ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away
> within a day of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair
> /reverse it to correct direction ASAP.
>
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda Race

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Congratulations Joel, you're my hero! 

 I'd like to experience a race like that one day.  Job well done both on 
sailing and prep. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


We finished last night. Five days 7 hours. Corrected down to third because 
one boat rated 201 Jake was an iron man on the helm! 

Joel 


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Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed

[allen via CnC-List]

Quick question Al.  Your 30-2 is #90.  When did they finish making 30-1s and 
start numbering 30-2s?  I am 167.
Allen Miles
S/V Septima 30-2


From: Allan Rheaume via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Allan Rheaume 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed


Lorne, Although a great C your 30-2 is a 28 year old boat. I wouldn't rush 
off the dock too quickly before checking everything out and replacing filters 
etc as has been mentioned.


Al Rheaume
Drumroll 30-2 # 90






From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Lorne Serpa 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:49 AM
Subject: Stus-List 1988 30MKII 2GM throttle reversed



I'm going over my survey which I was not present for.  I'm 2000 miles  from my 
boat at this time... But the survey person said my throttle is reversed.  How 
would I fix this?  Is it likely backwards on the helm side or on the engine 
side at the carburetor /throttle valve?  Why would the PO have it reversed to 
begin with? 
I'd like to know in advance of me arriving so I know what kind of task I have 
ahead of time and tools/parts I might need.   I need to sail away within a day 
of arriving to pick it up and would have one day to repair /reverse it to 
correct direction ASAP. 

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