Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I got the power ratio numbers from the winch performance information for the 
Grinder 40 on the Defender website.

 

I see that 1st & 2nd gears on the Trimmer are the same as 3rd & 4th on the 
Grinder.

 

14 CM  of line recovery per handle revolution in the fastest gear for the 
Trimmer. One of the metric folks on the list help me… that’s, what, 5.5 inches? 
And 1.4 CM in the lowest gear is about 6/10ths of an inch per revolution?

 

Max working load is 1870 pounds for both the Grinder & Trimmer. I wonder what 
the sheet loads are on a 155 on a 38 mk2 in 15 knots of true wind? According to 
the Harken calculator, for my 135 in 20 knots apparent (which is around 13 or 
14 true) the sheet load is 969 pounds.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII

 

I am not sure where Rick got his numbers.  I looked into this recently after an 
elbow injury made me consider replacing my Baronet 28s.  The Pontos Trimmer 4 
speed ($1600) has a power ratio of 113 in its maximum power gear.  If I replace 
my winches at some point, that is what I am planning to use.  Dave

 

On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Yes the Pontos 4 speed 40 is $1600. (Which, BTW is $300 more than a Lewmar 
Ocean 40 and $600 more than a Lewmar EVO 40) And it gets line in fast. And it 
shifts gears automatically at a comfortable 25 pounds on the winch handle. But…

 

The ultimate power ratio in the lowest gear is still a 40 – which means it has 
the same power as the Barient 24 that came as the halyard winch on my 38. (And 
that I have installed as primaries on my C&C25)

 

Ron, you indicated dissatisfaction with how hard it is to grind in your 155 
with the current Barient 28’s. The current Barient 28’s have a power ratio of 
52 – the same as the Pontos 52’s that sell at Defender for $3400 each.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

Dr. David Knecht

Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology

Core Microscopy Facility Director

University of Connecticut  

91 N. Eagleville Rd.

Storrs, CT 06269

860-486-2200

 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKI on ebay

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

Hull Number 44.  Original A-4 runs like a top.  I heard it run last week!

Rob Gallagher
Hanuman  88 30MKII

What's her hull number Robert? The eBay listing says she's a 1972 boat.
With an Atomic 4 I assume?

Good looking boat :)

Cheers,
Randy
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKI on ebay

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Nevermind, I see she's hull #44, with an Atomic 4, located in CT.  

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> On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> What's her hull number Robert? The eBay listing says she's a 1972 boat.  With 
> an Atomic 4 I assume?
> 
> Good looking boat :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My previous boat just came up on eBay.  It's still in my harbor and I was 
>> just on board a few days ago.  Still in decent shape enough shaper and the 
>> engine seems to be running great.
>> 
>> This could be a great deal if it goes this cheap.  Unless there is something 
>> wrong that I don't know about, this is really a $5K+ boat.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-c-c-30mki-sailboat-/331948788995?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d49b08d03:g:zn0AAOSwgZ1XvLfS&item=331948788995
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MKI on ebay

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

What's her hull number Robert? The eBay listing says she's a 1972 boat.  With 
an Atomic 4 I assume?

Good looking boat :)

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Aug 27, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My previous boat just came up on eBay.  It's still in my harbor and I was 
> just on board a few days ago.  Still in decent shape enough shaper and the 
> engine seems to be running great.
> 
> This could be a great deal if it goes this cheap.  Unless there is something 
> wrong that I don't know about, this is really a $5K+ boat.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-c-c-30mki-sailboat-/331948788995?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d49b08d03:g:zn0AAOSwgZ1XvLfS&item=331948788995
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Stus-List C&C 30 MKI on ebay

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

My previous boat just came up on eBay.  It's still in my harbor and I was
just on board a few days ago.  Still in decent shape enough shaper and the
engine seems to be running great.

This could be a great deal if it goes this cheap.  Unless there is
something wrong that I don't know about, this is really a $5K+ boat.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-c-c-30mki-sailboat-/331948788995?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d49b08d03:g:zn0AAOSwgZ1XvLfS&item=331948788995
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Re: Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

The primary anchor on the 25 that I had was a 25lb CQR with 23ft of chain
and 150ft of rode and I never dragged when I had proper scope out.
My lunch hook was a 5kg Bruce that I hauled up from the bottom one day and
it held almost as well as the CQR.
Danforth/Fortress anchors work well in sand and mud but are useless in rock
and weeds.


Rick Taillieu
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



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Subject: Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?

Interesting few hours today doing an anchor test.   A young guy at  port
Whitby marina was looking for an anchor for his tanzer 26, to replace the
really tiny and cheap ski-boat danforth type that came with his boat (and
had proved impossible to set).  We had discussed over beverages a few times.

I thought to try my (never tried) fortress fx-7 lunch hook - 120' rode, 10'
chain.   We dragged it all over the bay at 8:1 or better scope.  Could feel
it bumping along a hard bottom.It finally hooked up and was kinda
sideways.   Now the bottom is, I think, a rock shelf under silt and clay,
but I don't really know.  
We parked his boat and returned with Windstar (my 33 mkii) and her 10kg
Bruce with 50' heavy chain.  (Plus 150' rode) Let out the chain only,
dragged 20' and set hard.  You could feel and hear it bumping over a very
hard bottom before it did so.   Should have tried in 2 or 3 locations to
prove it was not a fluke.   (So to speak) 
 He now wants a load of chain and a 10kg anchor for his 4000lb boat!
Lol
Anyway, the fortress isn't going to work for me.  What do folks use and
trust as a lunch hook/kedge?  As always, thanks.   
Dave.
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Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

Interesting few hours today doing an anchor test.   A young guy at  port Whitby 
marina was looking for an anchor for his tanzer 26, to replace the really tiny 
and cheap ski-boat danforth type that came with his boat (and had proved 
impossible to set).  We had discussed over beverages a few times.   
I thought to try my (never tried) fortress fx-7 lunch hook - 120' rode, 10' 
chain.   We dragged it all over the bay at 8:1 or better scope.  Could feel it 
bumping along a hard bottom.It finally hooked up and was kinda sideways.   
Now the bottom is, I think, a rock shelf under silt and clay, but I don't 
really know.  
We parked his boat and returned with Windstar (my 33 mkii) and her 10kg Bruce 
with 50' heavy chain.  (Plus 150' rode) Let out the chain only, dragged 20' and 
set hard.  You could feel and hear it bumping over a very hard bottom before it 
did so.   Should have tried in 2 or 3 locations to prove it was not a fluke.   
(So to speak) 
 He now wants a load of chain and a 10kg anchor for his 4000lb boat!  Lol
Anyway, the fortress isn't going to work for me.  What do folks use and trust 
as a lunch hook/kedge?  As always, thanks.   
Dave.
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Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I am not sure where Rick got his numbers.  I looked into this recently after an 
elbow injury made me consider replacing my Baronet 28s.  The Pontos Trimmer 4 
speed ($1600) has a power ratio of 113 in its maximum power gear.  If I replace 
my winches at some point, that is what I am planning to use.  Dave

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
> Yes the Pontos 4 speed 40 is $1600. (Which, BTW is $300 more than a Lewmar 
> Ocean 40 and $600 more than a Lewmar EVO 40) And it gets line in fast. And it 
> shifts gears automatically at a comfortable 25 pounds on the winch handle. 
> But…
>  
> The ultimate power ratio in the lowest gear is still a 40 – which means it 
> has the same power as the Barient 24 that came as the halyard winch on my 38. 
> (And that I have installed as primaries on my C&C25)
>  
> Ron, you indicated dissatisfaction with how hard it is to grind in your 155 
> with the current Barient 28’s. The current Barient 28’s have a power ratio of 
> 52 – the same as the Pontos 52’s that sell at Defender for $3400 each.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  

Dr. David Knecht
Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology
Core Microscopy Facility Director
University of Connecticut   
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36.

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I'm not familiar with a rock dike.. did she get an operation?

Anyhow, a little qualification is in order, the 30-1 is the stiff 
boat of the little fleet.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm

the 36 doesn't look particular stiff according to the chart.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 07:55 PM 26/08/2016, you wrote:

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Only thing stiffer than a 30-1 is a rock dike.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL




From: RANDY via CnC-List 
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Cc: RANDY ; Mitchell's 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36.

A lot stiffer than the 30?  The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat then!

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Winch replacement and winch failures

[Richard via CnC-List]

Tim, I'll offer...; I out on boat now, but will email you Sun or Mon if they're 
still available thanks

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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have two spare (non-ST) 28's that are currently being used as paper 
> weights.  They  were cleaned and greased after being taken out of service.  
> Low-ball offers great fully received...
> 
> Tim
> Ex-35-3
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, some of the 28's are indestructible.  The alloy Barient and Barlows 
>> suffer from metal failures.
>> 
>> Failure mode 1 - wallowing out of the pawl sockets.  This can result in the 
>> pawl not operating smoothly or at all.
>> 
>> Failure mode 2 - breaking off of teeth in the drum skirt.  This usually 
>> happens when the headsail flogs violently with a wrap or two on a winch.
>> 
>> Note: I've only seen these failures on alloy winches.  Stainless and 
>> chrome/bronze winches are much more robust.
>> 
>> When Touche' had alloy winches, I kept a spare 28 just in case.  I have 
>> upgraded to chrome/bronze or stainless winches so the spare 28 (non-ST) is 
>> available.  I also have some spare roller bearings for Barient 28 Non-ST's 
>> if anybody needs them.  Sorry, no pawls or springs.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Those 28s are virtually indistructable but they are heavy. What size are 
>>> you going up to?  
>>> Joel  
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Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
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> Lorne Serpa
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Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C&C 36 cb

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

This has been an interesting topic to follow for several days as I have owned 
and raced a C&C 30 and now own and race a C&C 36 cb. I bought the 30' new in 
1975 and raced her on the upper Chesapeake Bay in the Columbia Sailing Assoc. 
(CSA). I had a 160 genoa, deck sweeper, and could carry it in breezes up to the 
high teens. It was a hanked on sail, which was a pain to reduce to the 135. My 
36' cb is more tender with a 150 and we need to reef the main or furl in the 
genoa some (luff tape) when the wind goes in the mid teens. I can still out 
point the fleet with the 150 and the center board is always up as I race on the 
Bohemia River which is very shallow.


Tom

Frolic II 1979 C&C 36'cb

Chesapeake City, MD
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Lorne Serpa
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