Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
We need to put that guy on the pointy end of my 42 in 20-25 knots of breeze 
with the massive chute and (mostly) following seas.  Even the church-goers 
start sounding like him.

From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Kevin Driscoll 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't have 
a gazillion views.



On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List  
wrote:

  Damn Kevin I howled


  How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season!


  John





  On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 wrote:




  Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following 
instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A

  On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having 
the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates 
prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through 
practice.  When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then 
tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no 
load on the new guy.  The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new 
guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real 
load on the pole via the guy.  The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy 
after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer 
eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in.  

And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that 
call as well…

All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page…  ;)  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis 
C. via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the 
chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to 
move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side.  If the center 
seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck 
person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.
A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat 
keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe 
the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of tape on the center seam 
of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.
When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made 
on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go 
smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch the 
center seam!

Dennis C.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!

  On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully 
concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey 
at the blunt end 
  Cheers,
  Paul.

  1974 27' MkII 
  Sidney, BC.

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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
That video is an all time classic in my book. I can not believe it doesn't
have a gazillion views.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, 6:58 PM John McKay via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Damn Kevin I howled
>
> How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season!
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following
> instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is
> having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the
> chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined
> through practice.  When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down,
> and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and
> there is no load on the new guy.  The mast man / foredeck should be able to
> drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast
> without any real load on the pole via the guy.  The guy trimmer only trims
> back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and
> then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is
> brought in.
>
> And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until
> that call as well…
>
> All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page…  ;)
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
>
> Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the
> chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy
> to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side.  If the
> center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then
> the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.
> A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat
> keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck
> gybe the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of tape on the
> center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.
> When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made
> on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go
> smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch
> the center seam!
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully
> concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted
> monkey at the blunt end [image: ��]
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> 1974 27' MkII
> Sidney, BC.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread John McKay via CnC-List 
Damn Kevin I howled
How often did I hear these conversation the last racing season!
John
 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following 
instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having the 
foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates 
prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through 
practice.  When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then 
tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no 
load on the new guy.  The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new 
guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real 
load on the pole via the guy.  The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy 
after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer 
eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in.   And of course, the 
helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that call as well… All it 
takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page…  ;)   From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Think about it like this, if the 
center seam on the bottom panel of the chute is directly ahead of the boat 
(centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the chute side to side to make 
the pole on either side.  If the center seam has prematurely crossed the 
forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person has to push the sail back 
to windward to make the pole.A simple light air practice exercise is to center 
the main, steer the boat keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then 
have the foredeck gybe the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of 
tape on the center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the 
forestay.When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole 
made on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go 
smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch the 
center seam! Dennis C. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! On Tuesday, December 6, 
2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List  wrote: As 
someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. 
Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the 
blunt end Cheers,Paul. 1974 27' MkII Sidney, BC.
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Re: Stus-List Nova Kool

2016-12-06 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
I think those are the venerable Danfoss compressors.  You can find more
info in the link below.

http://www.kollmann-marine.com/modules.aspx

Mine has had problems which include a fan that needed replaced.  IIRC,
120mm computer fan ~$12 on Amazon.  It also had a failure of the fuse
holder which appeared to have a poor solder connection causing it to
overheat and slightly melt.   Simple problems which were cheap to repair.

If you want more help troubleshooting just PM me.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Dec 6, 2016 7:27 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" 
wrote:

The controlled on our Nova Kool LT200 refrigeration unit is on its last
legs.  It works like me...once in a while, but only when I want to.  So, it
has to be replacedhmmm.  But I digress.  I have been told that the
controller on the older (pre 98) Nova Kools are no longer available.

Do any of you have a source for these old, 12v, LT200 control units?  I may
be able to source one through Sure Marine, but they're closed and we're all
just hanging out at our computers waiting for spring...

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

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Stus-List Nova Kool

2016-12-06 Thread Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
The controlled on our Nova Kool LT200 refrigeration unit is on its 
last legs.  It works like me...once in a while, but only when I want 
to.  So, it has to be replacedhmmm.  But I digress.  I have been 
told that the controller on the older (pre 98) Nova Kools are no 
longer available.


Do any of you have a source for these old, 12v, LT200 control 
units?  I may be able to source one through Sure Marine, but they're 
closed and we're all just hanging out at our computers waiting for spring...


Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
“Soldering Iron” effect.

A controller handling 100 watts can get pretty hot and not blow a fuse if the 
fault is a 9.99 amp fault and not a dead short. My solar wiring is only fused 
on the battery end, the controller itself has no fuse between it and the panel.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:01 PM
To: Patrick Davin 
Cc: syerd...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; PME 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

 

Not necessarily.   Same as in a house, an arc fault (or conceptually similar) 
can ignite combustible materials at lower-than-protected current levels.  Well 
secured wiring Protected from chafe is a really good idea.

Dave.  

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Davin  > wrote:

So it was a solar charge controller that started the electrical fire. 
Interesting since the list was just recently discussing solar panels (and I'm 
planning to do that project in the spring). 

 

Either the controller was faulty, overloaded, or improperly installed. Hard to 
speculate on which it was... but if it was properly fused and wires properly 
sized, shouldn't that haven't prevented a fire? 

 

-Patrick

1984 C LF 38

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:05 PM,  > wrote:

From: Dreuge  >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: 
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:13:21 -0500
Subject: Stus-List Fire aboard

I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets on 
board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I planned on 
getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe fire, I’m 
getting a few fire blankets today.

 

 

Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.

 

http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat

 

 

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 

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Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread Dave via CnC-List 
Not necessarily.   Same as in a house, an arc fault (or conceptually similar) 
can ignite combustible materials at lower-than-protected current levels.  Well 
secured wiring Protected from chafe is a really good idea.
Dave.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Davin  wrote:
> 
> So it was a solar charge controller that started the electrical fire. 
> Interesting since the list was just recently discussing solar panels (and I'm 
> planning to do that project in the spring). 
> 
> Either the controller was faulty, overloaded, or improperly installed. Hard 
> to speculate on which it was... but if it was properly fused and wires 
> properly sized, shouldn't that haven't prevented a fire? 
> 
> -Patrick
> 1984 C LF 38
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>> From: Dreuge 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: 
>> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:13:21 -0500
>> Subject: Stus-List Fire aboard
>> I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets on 
>> board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I planned 
>> on getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe fire, 
>> I’m getting a few fire blankets today.
>> 
>> 
>> Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.
>> 
>> http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Paul E.
>> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
>> S/V Johanna Rose
>> Carrabelle, FL
>> 
>> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
Not sure why the ass end of the boat has so much difficulty following
instructions: https://youtu.be/4MRunq1y2_A

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:45 PM Nauset Beach via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is
> having the foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the
> chain plates prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined
> through practice.  When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down,
> and then tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and
> there is no load on the new guy.  The mast man / foredeck should be able to
> drop the new guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast
> without any real load on the pole via the guy.  The guy trimmer only trims
> back the new guy after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and
> then the spin trimmer eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is
> brought in.
>
>
>
> And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until
> that call as well…
>
>
>
> All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page…  ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* CnClist 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
>
>
>
> Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the
> chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy
> to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side.  If the
> center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then
> the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.
>
> A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat
> keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck
> gybe the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of tape on the
> center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.
>
> When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made
> on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go
> smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch
> the center seam!
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully
> concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted
> monkey at the blunt end [image: ��]
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul.
>
>
>
> 1974 27' MkII
>
> Sidney, BC.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
So it was a solar charge controller that started the electrical fire.
Interesting since the list was just recently discussing solar panels (and
I'm planning to do that project in the spring).

Either the controller was faulty, overloaded, or improperly installed. Hard
to speculate on which it was... but if it was properly fused and wires
properly sized, shouldn't that haven't prevented a fire?

-Patrick
1984 C LF 38

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:
>
> From: Dreuge 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:13:21 -0500
> Subject: Stus-List Fire aboard
> I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets
> on board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I
> planned on getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe
> fire, I’m getting a few fire blankets today.
>
>
> Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.
>
> http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
Another aspect of smoother end for end gybes with sheets and guys is having the 
foredeck make certain there is plenty of slack lazy guy at the chain plates 
prior to beginning the maneuver – how much slack is determined through 
practice.  When the pole is trimmed back as the boat turns down, and then 
tripped, the spin trimmer controls the kite with both sheets and there is no 
load on the new guy.  The mast man / foredeck should be able to drop the new 
guy into the jaw and push the pole out and make it on the mast without any real 
load on the pole via the guy.  The guy trimmer only trims back the new guy 
after the call of “Made” is heard from the foredeck, and then the spin trimmer 
eases the weather spin sheet as the new guy is brought in.  

 

And of course, the helmsman has to not turn up to the new course until that 
call as well…

 

All it takes is a lot of practice to get everyone on the same page…  ;)  

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:04 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

 

Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the chute 
is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy to move the 
chute side to side to make the pole on either side.  If the center seam has 
prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then the foredeck person 
has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.

A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat 
keeping the Windex CENTERED between the tabs and then have the foredeck gybe 
the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of tape on the center seam 
of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.

When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made on 
the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go 
smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch the 
center seam!

 

Dennis C.

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List  > wrote:

Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!

 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

 

As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. 
Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the 
blunt end 

Cheers,

Paul.

 

1974 27' MkII 

Sidney, BC.

 

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Re: Stus-List Epoxy Putty

2016-12-06 Thread Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 

  
  


I had watched that video series years ago - but it was good to go
  back a re-read the comments.
The epoxy putty my friend used cured underwater - so he was able
  to hold it in place and get a fair seal (smaller diameter hole
  likely made it easier as well)

Dennis - I had heard of the toilet bowl wax ring idea before -
  but thanks for the reminder --- I'd hate to try and clean the
  surface after the wax but I bet it would do a pretty good job of
  stemming water flow.
The other recommendation I got from another friend who lost his
  stuffing box entering a rough inlet is a rubber tire tube and zip
  ties -- he was able to get a passable seal that allowed him to
  sail to a marina

I've never had reason to use my bungs or plugs - but I'll add a
  couple wax rings, inner tube, and epoxy putty for a little extra
  insurance.


Mark



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  - George Santayana
On 2016-12-06 10:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  

  Have you seen this: 
http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/crash-test-boat-holed-sinking-2-29668
   
  It is an interesting test with some useful advice.
   
  There must be somewhere a PDF of it (I have it), but I
cannot find it. And they have some interesting videos, as
well. On other topics, as well.
   
  Marek
  

   
  
From: Dennis
C. via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 23:13
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy Putty
  

 
  
  

  Also keep a couple of toilet bowl wax rings on board
for plugging that odd shaped hole.

  
  Anybody tried Forespar's Sta-Plug?

http://www.forespar.com/products/sta-plug.shtml
  
   
  Dennis C.


   
  On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:58 PM,
Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List

wrote:

  
  Anyone use the epoxy putty for their boats? 2 part
  putty that you mix together
  
  https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B008DYMZCG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1
  
  I was talking to a friend the other day - he was
  telling me how he wrapped a line around his prop and
  jammed his strut up into the hull.  He discovered a
  small fountain of water coming in.
  
  He had some of the epoxy putty - squeezed it together
  to start the reaction and mashed it in around the
  damaged area  - he then held it in place with his
  hands as it warmed up and cured.  90% of the water
  stopped - so he mixed up a bit more and was able to
  stop all the incoming water.  Confident enough that he
  left the boat on a mooring overnight and had it hauled
  a day or 2 later for repairs.
  
  I'm thinking I should have a couple tubes of this on
  the boat for emergencies.
  
  Mark
  
  
  BTW - Jamie at Shining Waters Marine did his repair -
  my friend had nothing but great things to say about
  the workmanship -- I believe Jamie is  C+C lister Mike
  Amirault's son.
  
  
  -- 
  
  
  
  There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the
  interval.
    - George Santayana
  
  
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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Think about it like this, if the center seam on the bottom panel of the
chute is directly ahead of the boat (centered on the forestay) it is easy
to move the chute side to side to make the pole on either side.  If the
center seam has prematurely crossed the forestay to the leeward side then
the foredeck person has to push the sail back to windward to make the pole.

A simple light air practice exercise is to center the main, steer the boat
keeping the Windex *CENTERED *between the tabs and then have the foredeck
gybe the chute back and forth a few times.  Put a piece of tape on the
center seam of the bottom panel to give a visible reference to the forestay.

When racing, if the foredeck can complete the gybe and have the pole made
on the mast while the Windex is still well between the tabs, it should go
smoothly.  The speed of the turn is controlled by the helmsperson!  Watch
the center seam!

Dennis C.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, John McKay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys!
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully
> concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted
> monkey at the blunt end [image: ��]
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> 1974 27' MkII
> Sidney, BC.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of David
> Kaseler via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* December 5, 2016 6:09 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* David Kaseler; Michael Brown
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling
>
> Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is
> controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the
> maneuver the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell
> my wife the skipper.
> Dave. K
> SLY 1975 C 33
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread John McKay via CnC-List 
Yikes, and I have been blaming it on the foredeck guys! 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 12:09 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv8286461759 #yiv8286461759 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv8286461759 As someone who does the pointy 
end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. Almost all of the FUBAR kite 
moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the blunt endCheers,Paul.
1974 27' MkIISidney, BC.

From: CnC-List  on behalf of David Kaseler via 
CnC-List 
Sent: December 5, 2016 6:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Kaseler; Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling Turns out, in my view, the 
success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is controlled at the helm. When 
the boat is correctly driven through the maneuver the job on the foredeck is 
much more manageable. Please don't tell my wife the skipper.Dave. KSLY 1975 C 
33

Sent from my iPad



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Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread JP Mail via CnC-List 
I lost a previous boat to a fire. Ours was more of a get-off-now kinda fire. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets on 
> board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I planned on 
> getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe fire, I’m 
> getting a few fire blankets today.
> 
> 
> Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.
> 
> http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
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Re: Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread JP Mail via CnC-List 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets on 
> board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I planned on 
> getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe fire, I’m 
> getting a few fire blankets today.
> 
> 
> Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.
> 
> http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
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Stus-List Fire aboard

2016-12-06 Thread Dreuge via CnC-List 
I recall a discussion a while back on the list about having fire blankets on 
board.  At the time, I looked up a few fire blankets online, and I planned on 
getting one or two. After reading about yesterday’s Vendee Globe fire, I’m 
getting a few fire blankets today.


Be sure to watch the video after you have read about the fire.

http://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/16841/fire-aboard-conrad-colman-s-boat 




-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

2016-12-06 Thread Paul Baker via CnC-List 
As someone who does the pointy end on multiple racing boats, I fully concur. 
Almost all of the FUBAR kite moments are down to the ham-fisted monkey at the 
blunt end []

Cheers,

Paul.

1974 27' MkII
Sidney, BC.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of David Kaseler via 
CnC-List 
Sent: December 5, 2016 6:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Kaseler; Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker pole handling

Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is 
controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the maneuver 
the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell my wife the 
skipper.
Dave. K
SLY 1975 C 33

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Stus-List manhole properly explain

2016-12-06 Thread Larry via CnC-List 
Now if you don’t mind, could you explain a “Bung Hole” and “Bung Wrench”?

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
Lenehan via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Lenehan
Subject: Re: Stus-List manhole properly explain

 

Russ is, indeed, a very funny fellow but he'd be a lot funnier if he was stuck 
in one of those manholes

 

On 6 December 2016 at 14:04, John McKay via CnC-List  
wrote:

I had a good laugh at that one!

 

 

On Monday, December 5, 2016 9:55 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 


Hi Chuck, 

I'm glad you took this on the clarify manhole. I don't want guys at the 
boatyard to be getting the wrong idea. :)

 Thanks again, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 Lunatic Fringe, B.C.



At 03:25 PM 05/12/2016, you wrote:



A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a hand 
through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through.




On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

Inspection plate???
 
From: David via CnC-List   
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David   
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
 
Errr...what is a "hand hole"?
 
 
 
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Josh Muckley  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat 

My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable 
pain in the ass to fix.  The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the 
fuel tank is aluminum.  The back stay attachments are a place for detailed 
inspection.  You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, 
directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted.  It should be one of the 
first safety repairs.  The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement 
too. 
 
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi Mark, 

 Wow!  We have a lot in common.  Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) 
and bought my 37/40+.  I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every 
way.  The performance difference is breathtaking.  The boat I bought was in 
pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her.  We renamed her 
"Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah.  The side windows are 
chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so 
you will probably have to deal with that.  If you are, at all handy, they are 
not that hard to fix.  I can give you a lot of advice in that area.  The 
holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the 
interior was installed.  Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal.  Of 
course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck.  Otherwise she is 
a good boat with minimal problems.  Text me if you need specific advice.  There 
are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful 
knowledge.

 

Good luck,

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA

 

~~~_ /)~~

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List  wrote:

I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat 
was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII 
in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm 
looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C 
performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick 
with C

I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most 
everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island 
and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving 
holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to 
have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in 
cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform 
to start with.

For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close 
attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that 
could bite me.

Thanks,

Mark Baldridge

~~_/)

'75 C MKII "The Edge"

Surf City, NC



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Re: Stus-List Epoxy Putty

2016-12-06 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Have you seen this: 
http://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/crash-test-boat-holed-sinking-2-29668

It is an interesting test with some useful advice.

There must be somewhere a PDF of it (I have it), but I cannot find it. And they 
have some interesting videos, as well. On other topics, as well.

Marek

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 23:13
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy Putty

Also keep a couple of toilet bowl wax rings on board for plugging that odd 
shaped hole.

Anybody tried Forespar's Sta-Plug?

http://www.forespar.com/products/sta-plug.shtml

Dennis C.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Anyone use the epoxy putty for their boats? 2 part putty that you mix together

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B008DYMZCG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB=1

I was talking to a friend the other day - he was telling me how he wrapped a 
line around his prop and jammed his strut up into the hull.  He discovered a 
small fountain of water coming in.

He had some of the epoxy putty - squeezed it together to start the reaction and 
mashed it in around the damaged area  - he then held it in place with his hands 
as it warmed up and cured.  90% of the water stopped - so he mixed up a bit 
more and was able to stop all the incoming water.  Confident enough that he 
left the boat on a mooring overnight and had it hauled a day or 2 later for 
repairs.

I'm thinking I should have a couple tubes of this on the boat for emergencies.

Mark


BTW - Jamie at Shining Waters Marine did his repair - my friend had nothing but 
great things to say about the workmanship -- I believe Jamie is  C+C lister 
Mike Amirault's son.


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