Re: Stus-List need advice with 1983 C&C 37
Robert; I agree with the advice of the others who have already responded; get a good survey, and work through whatever issues are found; however, almost any condition can be remediated or corrected; once you are satisfied that the boat is structurally sound, and have an idea of the cost to repair any issues, you will have an awesome boat; the 37 sails like a witch; she is close winded, and solid. she is not overly tender, but she will dig in and accelerate in a gust that will surely make you smile! There is plenty of room below and the cabin is well laid out in a traditional format. The original engine on the 37s was a 27 hp Yanmar; mine still pushes the boat with ease. Go to the Photo album website (noted in one of the earlier posts) and read the original brochures, they tell you about how C&C envisioned the boat; there's some puffery in there, but also a lot of detail. Lastly, once you get into the boat, come back here with any questions and you will have lots of help and guidance on how to tackle any issue; best of luck! Richard s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; (and the flood is finally receding...) Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ROBERT MROZ via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: ROBERT MROZ Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 6:07 pm Subject: Stus-List need advice with 1983 C&C 37 Hi everyone. I need some advice from the owners about 1983 C&C 37 Draft 5' 5".The boat looks very good and clean ( for the age) from provided pictures and description ( 5'5" draft ! I wondering if this is misprint). Well maintained ( broker words). What Should I look for and how the boat sails ( stiff , tender etc.) or I should stay away from 34 years old balsa cored Hull and deck ? Thank you for any input and advice. Sincerely, Robert M ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List USCG Abstract of Title and documents
This doesn’t mean you’re thinking about selling Touche, does it? Say it ain’t so. Cheers, Randy > On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:28 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > I'd gotten an abstract of title from the Vessel Documentation Center years > ago when I bought Touche'. Got to thinking it might be a good idea to order > a new one which shows me as the current owner and to make sure the very old > lien on the boat from the previous owner had indeed been recorded as > satisfied. > > The previous owner had failed to send the satisfaction of mortgage to the VDC > to have it recorded. Hence it was still shown as outstanding when I bought > the boat. Took 3 months to get it straightened out. The PO didn't want to > send the signed satisfaction to the VDC. VDC now accepts copies. > > Easy process. All done online. > > Anyway, the new AOT does show the lien satisfaction recorded but the > chronological order is interesting. In one transaction, it shows the > previous owner as the grantor and me as the grantee. 3 months later it shows > the lien satisfaction with the bank as grantor and the previous owner as > grantee. > > To an inexperienced owner, it might look like the previous owner still owned > the boat since he was, chronologically, the last grantee. I called the VDC > and a very nice lady said that it wasn't unusual at all. Often the proceeds > of a sale are used to pay off a lien and the satisfaction doesn't get to the > VDC until well after the bill of sale. > > She explained to me how to read the info on the AOT. If you have an AOT, and > choose to drag it out and look at it, you'll see a line with the following > column headings: > > Instrument % Conveyed Date Amount Book Page. > > Instrument can be BS (bill of sale), SMTG (mortgage), etc. > % Conveyed is usually 100% but could be partial ownership > Date is when VDC recorded it > Amount = $$$ > Book and Page are where in the archives the document is actually resident, be > it electronic or hard copy. > > Since I've lost contact with the previous owner I wanted a copy of the > satisfaction for my records. The lady told me to request it via the VDC > website email pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act. She said to > reference the vessel documentation number, the book and the page. There is a > $4 fee. > > So there you know more about vessel documentation than you probably ever > wanted to know. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List USCG Abstract of Title and documents
I'd gotten an abstract of title from the Vessel Documentation Center years ago when I bought Touche'. Got to thinking it might be a good idea to order a new one which shows me as the current owner and to make sure the very old lien on the boat from the previous owner had indeed been recorded as satisfied. The previous owner had failed to send the satisfaction of mortgage to the VDC to have it recorded. Hence it was still shown as outstanding when I bought the boat. Took 3 months to get it straightened out. The PO didn't want to send the signed satisfaction to the VDC. VDC now accepts copies. Easy process. All done online. Anyway, the new AOT does show the lien satisfaction recorded but the chronological order is interesting. In one transaction, it shows the previous owner as the grantor and me as the grantee. 3 months later it shows the lien satisfaction with the bank as grantor and the previous owner as grantee. To an inexperienced owner, it might look like the previous owner still owned the boat since he was, chronologically, the last grantee. I called the VDC and a very nice lady said that it wasn't unusual at all. Often the proceeds of a sale are used to pay off a lien and the satisfaction doesn't get to the VDC until well after the bill of sale. She explained to me how to read the info on the AOT. If you have an AOT, and choose to drag it out and look at it, you'll see a line with the following column headings: Instrument % Conveyed Date Amount Book Page. Instrument can be BS (bill of sale), SMTG (mortgage), etc. % Conveyed is usually 100% but could be partial ownership Date is when VDC recorded it Amount = $$$ Book and Page are where in the archives the document is actually resident, be it electronic or hard copy. Since I've lost contact with the previous owner I wanted a copy of the satisfaction for my records. The lady told me to request it via the VDC website email pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act. She said to reference the vessel documentation number, the book and the page. There is a $4 fee. So there you know more about vessel documentation than you probably ever wanted to know. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List need advice with 1983 C&C 37
I see there are a couple of keels listed on Sailboat Data for the C&C 37. None at 5' 5" though: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2384 Keel/cb model also available. Draft (Board Down): 8.40'/2.56m Draft (Board Up): 4.60'/1.40m Displacement: 14725 lbs./ 6679 kgs. Also available with fixed shoal draft keel: 6.00'/1.83m On 4 March 2018 at 19:35, Ken Heaton wrote: > As to the draft, the C&C 37 Brochure lists it at 6' 7" (or 6' 8") but > there was a Keel / Centreboard version that would draw less than that. > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/37foot/37b1pg04.htm > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/37foot/37b2pg04.htm > > As for the cored hull and deck, get a good surveyor, one who knows what he > is doing around cored hulls. > > The vast majority of cored C&C hulls and decks have little to no issues. > But a few out there are nightmares, usually due to improperly done > penetrations for thru-hulls or deck fittings or penetrations from the > interior, down in the bilges into the cores that were done improperly. > > The surveyor should at the minimum have a moisture meter, and know how to > use it and should also go over the hull and deck with a plastic hammer to > sound it out. I paid a surveyor to do just that first before we spent the > extra money of a full survey back when we were buying. The cores were dry. > > Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia > > https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html > > > On 4 March 2018 at 19:06, ROBERT MROZ via CnC-List > wrote: > >> Hi everyone. I need some advice from the owners about 1983 C&C 37 >> Draft 5' 5".The boat looks very good and clean ( for the age) from >> provided pictures and description ( 5'5" draft ! I wondering if this is >> misprint). Well maintained ( broker words). What Should I look for and how >> the boat sails ( stiff , tender etc.) or I should stay away from 34 years >> old balsa cored Hull and deck ? Thank you for any input and advice. >> Sincerely, Robert M >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List need advice with 1983 C&C 37
As to the draft, the C&C 37 Brochure lists it at 6' 7" (or 6' 8") but there was a Keel / Centreboard version that would draw less than that. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/37foot/37b1pg04.htm http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/37foot/37b2pg04.htm As for the cored hull and deck, get a good surveyor, one who knows what he is doing around cored hulls. The vast majority of cored C&C hulls and decks have little to no issues. But a few out there are nightmares, usually due to improperly done penetrations for thru-hulls or deck fittings or penetrations from the interior, down in the bilges into the cores that were done improperly. The surveyor should at the minimum have a moisture meter, and know how to use it and should also go over the hull and deck with a plastic hammer to sound it out. I paid a surveyor to do just that first before we spent the extra money of a full survey back when we were buying. The cores were dry. Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia https://c-c-37-40.blogspot.ca/p/salazar.html On 4 March 2018 at 19:06, ROBERT MROZ via CnC-List wrote: > Hi everyone. I need some advice from the owners about 1983 C&C 37 > Draft 5' 5".The boat looks very good and clean ( for the age) from > provided pictures and description ( 5'5" draft ! I wondering if this is > misprint). Well maintained ( broker words). What Should I look for and how > the boat sails ( stiff , tender etc.) or I should stay away from 34 years > old balsa cored Hull and deck ? Thank you for any input and advice. > Sincerely, Robert M > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List need advice with 1983 C&C 37
Hi everyone. I need some advice from the owners about 1983 C&C 37 Draft 5' 5".The boat looks very good and clean ( for the age) from provided pictures and description ( 5'5" draft ! I wondering if this is misprint). Well maintained ( broker words). What Should I look for and how the boat sails ( stiff , tender etc.) or I should stay away from 34 years old balsa cored Hull and deck ? Thank you for any input and advice.Sincerely, Robert M___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List C&C 33-2 St. Joseph, MI
The 33 MK II is a great boat. I bought one 3 years ago. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 at 2:23 PM, Richard Gotthardt via CnC-List wrote: I'm thinking of taking the 3 hour trip to look at this boat: https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/boa/d/33-and-sailboat-cruiser-racer/6517003531.html I haven't been able to get much more information than what's available in this Craigslist ad, broker doesn't know much either. Is anyone familiar with it? Thanks___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List C&C 33-2 St. Joseph, MI
I'm thinking of taking the 3 hour trip to look at this boat: https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/boa/d/33-and-sailboat-cruiser-racer/6517003531.html I haven't been able to get much more information than what's available in this Craigslist ad, broker doesn't know much either. Is anyone familiar with it? Thanks ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
