Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Check out rotella t6 5w-40 synthetic I use that in my truck but i use
ordinary walmart 15w-40 in my universal m4-30 on Alianna. Go figure its all
good oil nowadays just check the specs i change the oil in my m4-30 every
year; the filter every second year. I use napa gold filters oil and fuel.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 7:35 AM Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There is many flavor of Rotella. I use Rotella T6 10W40 in my Universal
> M4-30, and 0W40 in all my VW TDI (pre 2006).
>
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Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I'm so accustom to the Blackstone report (for 13 years) that it works for
me.  They cover all the elements and the properties, they have a good
comments section, universal averages (which I know will not be as useful
being marine averages will not have the sampling numbers, perhaps), and
they show a running history of the numbers to track trends.


On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:08 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill, we use Blackstone at work.  I posted a link to the latest pdf report
> from oil analyzers.  Does your report look to be equally comprehensive?
> I've not priced the competition since
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Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Bill, we use Blackstone at work.  I posted a link to the latest pdf report
from oil analyzers.  Does your report look to be equally comprehensive?
I've not priced the competition since Amsoil makes the process so easy.  If
both reports are equal I would advise others to simply shop based on
availability and price.

Josh



On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 3:09 PM Bill Dakin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Blackstone does mine.
> Blackstone-labs.com
>
> Bill Dakin
> S/V Tapestry
> 25-2
>
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 1:11 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Josh- Where do you get the oil analysis done?
> >
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Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

Blackstone does mine.
Blackstone-labs.com

Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25-2

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 1:11 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh- Where do you get the oil analysis done?   
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Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Oil analyzers.  https://www.eoilreports.com

Here are the most recent sample results.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MaBnvf4Fc9auz-p_Yw-yp5uh-Z7R4N__/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Nov 26, 2018 2:12 PM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hi Josh- Where do you get the oil analysis done?   Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT


On Nov 22, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I use no additional additives in the oil.  When we got the boat 6.5 years
ago, the PO had somehow added gasoline to the diesel fuel.  The engine
would start easy and run stong-ish until it warmed up.  Then act as though
air had gotten in the fuel and die.  No amount of bleeding would restore
its operation.  During the first year it was difficult to get a feel for
"running good".  The first winter we hauled out to have the rudder
rebuilt.  Second year was fine but small air leaks and an ineffective means
of venting the fuel system continued to occasionally plague operation of
the boat.  Second winter we kept it in the water.  In the spring, we
started the engine to bring it over for a short haul.  The dipstick blew
out and sprayed oil while the engine continuing to run, albeit rough.  We
made it to the travel lift just in time for the engine to die.  1 week
later after being relaunched the engine would turn freely but not start.  I
found that cylinder 1&2 had low compression and have since assumed that
they had stuck rings.  The prevailing theory is that the water lift muffler
push/pulled moist air in/out of the engine as the boat rocked all winter
long.  Eventually, the application of penetrating oil in the cylinders was
able to finally work the rings free.  The engine ran well but still showed
signs of high crankcase pressure caused by excessive blow-by.  The dipstick
could blow loose and the breather would accumulate a lot of oil.  I
installed a breather catch can and accumulated almost 1/4 of the volume in
the first year.

We run about 50 to 75 hours each year and since the stuck rings 4 years ago
the accumulation of oil has subsided.  The can is still 1/4 full.  I've
rechecked the compression and now all cylinders read high and equal.  IMO
poor maintenance by the PO contributed/caused most of the problems I
experienced.  My use of quality oil and sample analysis has contributed to
the reversal of the poor operation.

The only additional additive that I use if Opti-Lube XPD but it is a fuel
additive not oil.  I swear by it.

Here are some videos of mine which you might find useful.

https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ

https://youtu.be/F7KD1_EZmU4

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 6:38 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> thanks Josh
> I notice Sea Hawk is a 1989 boat.   My boat is a 1986 with Yanmar 2GM20F
> so we are close in years.  No issues with synthetic in older engines?
> Also, do you put in any oil additives routinely?
>
> thanks,Wade
>
> Oh Boy
> C&C 33 MK II
> Lake of the Woods
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 5:30 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, fully synthetic.
>>
>> Evidently in the early 70's Amsoil started developing and marketing
>> synthetic oil.  Mobile came out and tried to compete but made an inferior
>> product.  Unfortunately the public already knew and used Mobile products so
>> when the Mobile synthetic didn't deliver on their promises, it made a bad
>> name for synthetics as a whole.  As the story goes, Amsoil came to mobile
>> and proposed to show them how to make a synthetic so that the technology
>> would be embraced.
>>
>> Amsoil has been pioneering ultra efficient oils and extended interval oil
>> changes for almost 50 years.  Under the older engine technology they would
>> simply have you change the filter and top up the sump, no change until
>> 25,000 miles.  As the engine and filter tech improved they have now shifted
>> slightly to an entirely 25k run on the same oil and filter depending on the
>> application.  In addition to their extended oil change interval they also
>> promote oil sample analysis.  You can detect all manner of internal wear
>> and deterioration of the oil and the engine.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 6:11 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>
>>> is this a synthetic oil Josh?
>>>
>>> Wade
>>> Oh Boy C&C 33MKII
>>> Lake of the Woods
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 4:16 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 I use Amsoil products for all my engines.  The boat gets 15w40 heavy
 duty/marine diesel oil.  It had a high TBN of 12.  As the acids accumulate
 in the oil the TBN will diminish towards 0.  I send oil samples for
 analysis.  Typically in high compression engines which accumulate a lot of
 soot/exhaust in the oil, the TBN is the limiting factor as to when the oil
>

Re: Stus-List Engine oil

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Josh- Where do you get the oil analysis done?   Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Nov 22, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use no additional additives in the oil.  When we got the boat 6.5 years 
> ago, the PO had somehow added gasoline to the diesel fuel.  The engine would 
> start easy and run stong-ish until it warmed up.  Then act as though air had 
> gotten in the fuel and die.  No amount of bleeding would restore its 
> operation.  During the first year it was difficult to get a feel for "running 
> good".  The first winter we hauled out to have the rudder rebuilt.  Second 
> year was fine but small air leaks and an ineffective means of venting the 
> fuel system continued to occasionally plague operation of the boat.  Second 
> winter we kept it in the water.  In the spring, we started the engine to 
> bring it over for a short haul.  The dipstick blew out and sprayed oil while 
> the engine continuing to run, albeit rough.  We made it to the travel lift 
> just in time for the engine to die.  1 week later after being relaunched the 
> engine would turn freely but not start.  I found that cylinder 1&2 had low 
> compression and have since assumed that they had stuck rings.  The prevailing 
> theory is that the water lift muffler push/pulled moist air in/out of the 
> engine as the boat rocked all winter long.  Eventually, the application of 
> penetrating oil in the cylinders was able to finally work the rings free.  
> The engine ran well but still showed signs of high crankcase pressure caused 
> by excessive blow-by.  The dipstick could blow loose and the breather would 
> accumulate a lot of oil.  I installed a breather catch can and accumulated 
> almost 1/4 of the volume in the first year.
> 
> We run about 50 to 75 hours each year and since the stuck rings 4 years ago 
> the accumulation of oil has subsided.  The can is still 1/4 full.  I've 
> rechecked the compression and now all cylinders read high and equal.  IMO 
> poor maintenance by the PO contributed/caused most of the problems I 
> experienced.  My use of quality oil and sample analysis has contributed to 
> the reversal of the poor operation.
> 
> The only additional additive that I use if Opti-Lube XPD but it is a fuel 
> additive not oil.  I swear by it.
> 
> Here are some videos of mine which you might find useful.
> 
> https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ 
> 
> https://youtu.be/F7KD1_EZmU4 
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 6:38 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List  > wrote:
> thanks Josh
> I notice Sea Hawk is a 1989 boat.   My boat is a 1986 with Yanmar 2GM20F so 
> we are close in years.  No issues with synthetic in older engines?
> Also, do you put in any oil additives routinely?
> 
> thanks,Wade
> 
> Oh Boy
> C&C 33 MK II
> Lake of the Woods
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 5:30 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Yes, fully synthetic.  
> 
> Evidently in the early 70's Amsoil started developing and marketing synthetic 
> oil.  Mobile came out and tried to compete but made an inferior product.  
> Unfortunately the public already knew and used Mobile products so when the 
> Mobile synthetic didn't deliver on their promises, it made a bad name for 
> synthetics as a whole.  As the story goes, Amsoil came to mobile and proposed 
> to show them how to make a synthetic so that the technology would be embraced.
> 
> Amsoil has been pioneering ultra efficient oils and extended interval oil 
> changes for almost 50 years.  Under the older engine technology they would 
> simply have you change the filter and top up the sump, no change until 25,000 
> miles.  As the engine and filter tech improved they have now shifted slightly 
> to an entirely 25k run on the same oil and filter depending on the 
> application.  In addition to their extended oil change interval they also 
> promote oil sample analysis.  You can detect all manner of internal wear and 
> deterioration of the oil and the engine.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 6:11 PM Wade Glew via CnC-List   wrote:
> is this a synthetic oil Josh?
> 
> Wade
> Oh Boy C&C 33MKII
> Lake of the Woods
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 4:16 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I use Amsoil products for all my engines.  The boat gets 15w40 heavy 
> duty/marine diesel oil.  It had a high TBN of 12.  As the acids accumulate in 
> the oil the TBN will diminish towards 0.  I send oil samples for analysis.  
> Typically in high compression engines which accumulate a lot of soot/exhaust 
> in the oil, the TBN is the limiting factor as to when the oil is exhausted.
> 
> It's cool to trend oil properties over time and be able to understand the 
> changes and w