Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

https://youtu.be/tRR96ILGORU

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Torque is not affected in this case by deformation of the extension or
> other hardware at all. Zero.  Torque is force x moment arm length.
>
> Jeff Laman
> 1981 C&C34 "Harmony"
> Ludington, Mi
>
> --
> *From:* David Miles 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 7:33 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque
>
>
> I could be wrong, but don’t you also have to allow for the torque/flex of
> the extension, therefore if you have a listed 250# value to be measured,
> you add the 15# rating of the extension, making your goal readout at a new
> number of 265#s? I am only guessing at the extension value. Need to check
> ours as well, but this thought comes to mind from many years ago. Would
> like to know if it has merit or not.
>
>
>
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> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* February-21-19 3:35 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* David
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque
>
>
>
> Renting a large torque wrench is a easy solution...
>
> From my Android
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Charlie
> Nelson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:46:47 PM
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> *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque
>
>
>
> Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
>
>
>
> Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
>
>
>
> Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud
> but was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a
> little strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier
> to measure.
>
>
>
> I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for
> SS and reachable without a multiplier.
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Charlie
>
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> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
>
>
>
> If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
> you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
> large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It
> will almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at
> its high limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to
> save myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest
> torque wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6
> point, 1-1/2" socket.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C&C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>
>
> It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard
> 'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts
> by removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the
> bolts under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others.
> My keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding
> it to the hull.
>
>
>
> My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are
> 7/8" diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless
> steel. BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the
> original specs.
>
>
>
> A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values
> with my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with
> an extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the
> torque required.
>
>
>
> List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most
> common torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick
> look at recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195
> ft-lbs is recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have
> seen on the list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
>
>
>
> OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the
> multiplier.
>
>
>
> Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or
> buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive
> to 3/4" or higher.
>
>
>
> Questions for the list:
>
>
>
> 1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to
> remember some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
>
>
>
> 2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
>
>
>
> 3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the
> ft-lbs required without the multiplier)?
>
>
>
> 4. Any likely issues with not t

Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Torque is not affected in this case by deformation of the extension or other 
hardware at all. Zero.  Torque is force x moment arm length.

Jeff Laman
1981 C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, Mi


From: David Miles 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 7:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque


I could be wrong, but don’t you also have to allow for the torque/flex of the 
extension, therefore if you have a listed 250# value to be measured, you add 
the 15# rating of the extension, making your goal readout at a new number of 
265#s? I am only guessing at the extension value. Need to check ours as well, 
but this thought comes to mind from many years ago. Would like to know if it 
has merit or not.



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Sent: February-21-19 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque



Renting a large torque wrench is a easy solution...

>From my Android





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Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque



Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!



Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.



Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but 
was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a little 
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to measure.



I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS 
and reachable without a multiplier.



Thanks again,



Charlie

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On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.



https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc



If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and you're 
looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A large torque 
wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will almost 
certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high limit is 
always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save myself the money 
on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque wrench and 1/2" drive 
extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2" socket.



Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD







On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard 
'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts by 
removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the bolts 
under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others. My 
keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding it to 
the hull.



My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are 7/8" 
diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless steel. 
BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the original 
specs.



A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values with 
my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with an 
extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the torque 
required.



List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most common 
torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick look at 
recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195 ft-lbs is 
recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have seen on the 
list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.



OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the 
multiplier.



Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or 
buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive to 
3/4" or higher.



Questions for the list:



1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to remember 
some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!



2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?



3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the ft-lbs 
required without the multiplier)?



4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my 
haul-out this summer?



TIA



Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb

















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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My biggest studs were 1-1/2".  In the comments section of my video the
first link shows engineered torque values.  I selected lubricated and 316
SS.  Looks like 622ft-lbs... And that is the lowest of all the SS
configurations.  I presume that I needed it and the 615 that I used was
still conservative.

Josh

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 9:02 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Now that (600 Ft-lbs) is a LOT of torque compared to 250.
> Did you really need that much or were your bolts of a size that 600 was
> recommended?
>
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> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I only had to get about 200 ft-lbs on my 3:1 torque multiplier for a total
> of 600 ft-lbs.  It was a pretty good struggle to get there.
>
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 8:55 PM Josh Muckley 
> Charlie,
>
> You're very welcome.  I got my torque wrench from home depot about 15
> years ago.  It's the one you see in the video.
>
>
> https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-1-2-in-Drive-Click-Torque-Wrench-50-ft-lb-to-250-ft-lb/1000259431
>
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-50-250-ft-lbs-1-2-in-Drive-Torque-Wrench-H2DTWA/205914009
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
>
> Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
>
> Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud
> but was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a
> little strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier
> to measure.
>
> I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for
> SS and reachable without a multiplier.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Charlie
>
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> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
>
> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
>
> If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
> you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
> large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It
> will almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at
> its high limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to
> save myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest
> torque wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6
> point, 1-1/2" socket.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>
> It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard
> 'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts
> by removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the
> bolts under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others.
> My keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding
> it to the hull.
>
> My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are
> 7/8" diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless
> steel. BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the
> original specs.
>
> A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values
> with my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with
> an extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the
> torque required.
>
> List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most
> common torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick
> look at recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195
> ft-lbs is recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have
> seen on the list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
>
> OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the
> multiplier.
>
> Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or
> buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive
> to 3/4" or higher.
>
> Questions for the list:
>
> 1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to
> remember some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
>
> 2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
>
> 3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the
> ft-lbs required without the multiplier)?
>
> 4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my
> haul-out this summer?
>
> TIA
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _

Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Now that (600 Ft-lbs) is a LOT of torque compared to 250. Did you really need 
that much or were your bolts of a size that 600 was recommended?

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 On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I only had to get about 200 ft-lbs on my 3:1 torque multiplier for a total of 
600 ft-lbs.  It was a pretty good struggle to get there.
Josh 
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 8:55 PM Josh Muckley https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-1-2-in-Drive-Click-Torque-Wrench-50-ft-lb-to-250-ft-lb/1000259431
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-50-250-ft-lbs-1-2-in-Drive-Torque-Wrench-H2DTWA/205914009
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD 





On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but 
was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a little 
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to 
measure. 
I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS 
and reachable without a multiplier.
Thanks again,
Charlie

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Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and you're 
looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A large torque 
wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will almost 
certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high limit is 
always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save myself the money 
on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque wrench and 1/2" drive 
extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2" socket.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD



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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I think you are correct re the extension since it likely ‘twists’ under the 
applied torque wrench torque. 
Based on previous list comments about the precision/accuracy of all the factors 
that go into the recommended torque values, my guess is that with a reasonably 
built extension, the torque ‘wasted’ in it is within the error bars of the 
recommended torques for the keel bolts.
Of course the extension must be able to take the torque applied without 
deformation or snapping apart so your point is well taken. Much like large 
winches, there is substantial stored energy in the system when in use—if 
something breaks, bad things could happen!
Thanks for chiming in.

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I could be wrong, but don’t you also have to allow for the torque/flex of the 
extension, therefore if you have a listed 250# value to be measured, you add 
the 15# rating of the extension, making your goal readout at a new number of 
265#s? I am only guessing at the extension value. Need to check ours as well, 
but this thought comes to mind from many years ago. Would like to know if it 
has merit or not.

  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
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Sent: February-21-19 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

  

Renting a large torque wrench is a easy solution...

>From my Android

  

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque 

 

Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier! 

  

Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.

  

Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but 
was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a little 
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to 
measure. 

  

I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS 
and reachable without a multiplier.

  

Thanks again,

  

Charlie

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 wrote: 


  

Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.

  

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc 

  

If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and you're 
looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A large torque 
wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will almost 
certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high limit is 
always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save myself the money 
on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque wrench and 1/2" drive 
extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2" socket.

  

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD

  

  

  

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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I only had to get about 200 ft-lbs on my 3:1 torque multiplier for a total
of 600 ft-lbs.  It was a pretty good struggle to get there.

Josh

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 8:55 PM Josh Muckley  Charlie,
>
> You're very welcome.  I got my torque wrench from home depot about 15
> years ago.  It's the one you see in the video.
>
>
> https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-1-2-in-Drive-Click-Torque-Wrench-50-ft-lb-to-250-ft-lb/1000259431
>
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-50-250-ft-lbs-1-2-in-Drive-Torque-Wrench-H2DTWA/205914009
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
>>
>> Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
>>
>> Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud
>> but was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a
>> little strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier
>> to measure.
>>
>> I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for
>> SS and reachable without a multiplier.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
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>> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
>>
>> If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
>> you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
>> large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It
>> will almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at
>> its high limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to
>> save myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest
>> torque wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6
>> point, 1-1/2" socket.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard
>> 'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts
>> by removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the
>> bolts under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others.
>> My keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding
>> it to the hull.
>>
>> My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are
>> 7/8" diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless
>> steel. BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the
>> original specs.
>>
>> A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values
>> with my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with
>> an extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the
>> torque required.
>>
>> List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most
>> common torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick
>> look at recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195
>> ft-lbs is recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have
>> seen on the list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
>>
>> OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the
>> multiplier.
>>
>> Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or
>> buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive
>> to 3/4" or higher.
>>
>> Questions for the list:
>>
>> 1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to
>> remember some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
>>
>> 2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
>>
>> 3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the
>> ft-lbs required without the multiplier)?
>>
>> 4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until
>> my haul-out this summer?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom
>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Charlie,

You're very welcome.  I got my torque wrench from home depot about 15 years
ago.  It's the one you see in the video.

https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-1-2-in-Drive-Click-Torque-Wrench-50-ft-lb-to-250-ft-lb/1000259431

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-50-250-ft-lbs-1-2-in-Drive-Torque-Wrench-H2DTWA/205914009

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD






On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
>
> Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
>
> Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud
> but was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a
> little strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier
> to measure.
>
> I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for
> SS and reachable without a multiplier.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Charlie
>
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> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
>
> https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
>
> If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
> you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
> large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It
> will almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at
> its high limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to
> save myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest
> torque wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6
> point, 1-1/2" socket.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>
> It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard
> 'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts
> by removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the
> bolts under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others.
> My keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding
> it to the hull.
>
> My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are
> 7/8" diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless
> steel. BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the
> original specs.
>
> A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values
> with my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with
> an extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the
> torque required.
>
> List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most
> common torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick
> look at recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195
> ft-lbs is recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have
> seen on the list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
>
> OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the
> multiplier.
>
> Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or
> buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive
> to 3/4" or higher.
>
> Questions for the list:
>
> 1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to
> remember some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
>
> 2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
>
> 3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the
> ft-lbs required without the multiplier)?
>
> 4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my
> haul-out this summer?
>
> TIA
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[David Miles via CnC-List]

I could be wrong, but don't you also have to allow for the torque/flex of
the extension, therefore if you have a listed 250# value to be measured, you
add the 15# rating of the extension, making your goal readout at a new
number of 265#s? I am only guessing at the extension value. Need to check
ours as well, but this thought comes to mind from many years ago. Would like
to know if it has merit or not.

 

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Sent: February-21-19 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

 

Renting a large torque wrench is a easy solution...

>From my Android

 

  _  

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Charlie Nelson
via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:46:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque 

 

Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier! 

 

Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.

 

Good catch on the the stud size-my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but
was likely across the inside of the thread groove-plus 7/8" seems a little
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to
measure. 

 

I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS
and reachable without a multiplier.

 

Thanks again,

 

Charlie

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 wrote: 

 

Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.

 

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc 

 

If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will
almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high
limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save
myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque
wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2"
socket.

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[David via CnC-List]

Renting a large torque wrench is a easy solution...

>From my Android


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Charlie Nelson via 
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:46:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!

Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.

Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but 
was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a little 
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to measure.

I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS 
and reachable without a multiplier.

Thanks again,

Charlie

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On Thursday, February 21, 2019, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc

If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and you're 
looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A large torque 
wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will almost 
certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high limit is 
always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save myself the money 
on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque wrench and 1/2" drive 
extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2" socket.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard 
'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts by 
removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the bolts 
under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others. My 
keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding it to 
the hull.

My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are 7/8" 
diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless steel. 
BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the original 
specs.

A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values with 
my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with an 
extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the torque 
required.

List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most common 
torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick look at 
recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195 ft-lbs is 
recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have seen on the 
list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.

OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the 
multiplier.

Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or 
buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive to 
3/4" or higher.

Questions for the list:

1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to remember 
some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!

2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?

3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the ft-lbs 
required without the multiplier)?

4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my 
haul-out this summer?

TIA

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb








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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks for chiming in Josh. I like not buying a multiplier!
Will have a look for a 250 ft-lb wrench etc. and review your video.
Good catch on the the stud size—my msmt was with a ruler across the stud but 
was likely across the inside of the thread groove—plus 7/8” seems a little 
strange for such a large stud. The flats on the nut were much easier to 
measure. 
I like your ft-lb numbers since they are consistent with what I found for SS 
and reachable without a multiplier.
Thanks again,
Charlie

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 wrote:

Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.
https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc
If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and you're 
looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A large torque 
wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It will almost 
certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at its high limit is 
always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to save myself the money 
on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest torque wrench and 1/2" drive 
extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6 point, 1-1/2" socket.
Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD



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Re: Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Look in the description section of the  video for useful links.

https://youtu.be/n6B0IPKQERc

If the flats of the nut are at 1-1/2 inch then the studs are 1 inch and
you're looking at roughly 230 to 250 ft-lbs lubricated torque value.  A
large torque wrench from Home Depot or Lowes should max out at 250.  It
will almost certainly be 1/2 inch drive.  Operating any torque wrench at
its high limit is always difficult... But doable.  I would probably try to
save myself the money on a torque multiplier and just get the biggest
torque wrench and 1/2" drive extensions and a 1/2 inch drive, deep, 6
point, 1-1/2" socket.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 1:41 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

>
> It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard
> 'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts
> by removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the
> bolts under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others.
> My keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding
> it to the hull.
>
> My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are
> 7/8" diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless
> steel. BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the
> original specs.
>
> A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values
> with my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with
> an extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the
> torque required.
>
> List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most
> common torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick
> look at recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195
> ft-lbs is recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have
> seen on the list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
>
> OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the
> multiplier.
>
> Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or
> buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive
> to 3/4" or higher.
>
> Questions for the list:
>
> 1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to
> remember some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
>
> 2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
>
> 3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the
> ft-lbs required without the multiplier)?
>
> 4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my
> haul-out this summer?
>
> TIA
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Avon and engine...

[David via CnC-List]

Yes its definately heavier.   Will weigh when back at house.

>From my Android


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Cc: ALAN BERGEN
Subject: Re: Stus-List Avon and engine...

Your 4 cycle eight is a lot heavier than your 2 cycle four. Might make the boat 
out of balance.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:48 AM David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a 9' high pressure floor Avon that is in good shap.  My 4hp 2cycle died. 
 I have a barely used 4 cycle mercury 8hp that I would like to throw on it to 
save buying a new boat or motor.  Avon spec plate says max HP is 6 hp.   I am 
thinking that as long as I dont hot-rod  the dink I should be able to get away 
with it?

Or am I missing something...

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650

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Your 4 cycle eight is a lot heavier than your 2 cycle four. Might make the
boat out of balance.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:48 AM David via CnC-List 
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> I have a 9' high pressure floor Avon that is in good shap.  My 4hp 2cycle
> died.  I have a barely used 4 cycle mercury 8hp that I would like to throw
> on it to save buying a new boat or motor.  Avon spec plate says max HP is 6
> hp.   I am thinking that as long as I dont hot-rod  the dink I should be
> able to get away with it?
>
> Or am I missing something...
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>
> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>
>
> *(401) 419-4650 *
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Avon and engine...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Yes - you are missing engine weight. My Avon is rated for both max HP and max 
engine weight. It is rated for 25 HP, but some 25 HP 4 strokes are too heavy.
Try and find out what the weight spec is for your boat.  How much does the 8 HP 
weigh?

Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 1:48 PM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Avon and engine...

I have a 9' high pressure floor Avon that is in good shap.  My 4hp 2cycle died. 
 I have a barely used 4 cycle mercury 8hp that I would like to throw on it to 
save buying a new boat or motor.  Avon spec plate says max HP is 6 hp.   I am 
thinking that as long as I dont hot-rod  the dink I should be able to get away 
with it?

Or am I missing something...

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List West Coast C&C Rendezvous Aug 19-21 Telegraph Harbour

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Thanks Mary-Ann!  I copied the details to the C&C Sailors Facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/666179806815705?view=permalink&id=1724070284359980

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 1:07 PM Mary-Ann Pedersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just wanted to let the west coast C&C'ers know about the upcoming C&C
> Rendezvous Aug 9-11 at Telegraph Harbour Marina on Thetis Island. More info
> is on our website. www.cncrdv.org.
>
> Look forward to seeing many of you there!
>
> Thanks
> --
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> Red Sled
> C&C 34+
> p. 604.725.4801
> e. maryann.peder...@gmail.com
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Stus-List Avon and engine...

[David via CnC-List]

I have a 9' high pressure floor Avon that is in good shap.  My 4hp 2cycle died. 
 I have a barely used 4 cycle mercury 8hp that I would like to throw on it to 
save buying a new boat or motor.  Avon spec plate says max HP is 6 hp.   I am 
thinking that as long as I dont hot-rod  the dink I should be able to get away 
with it?

Or am I missing something...

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Stus-List Bolts, nuts and torque

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

It appears per list comments that it is OK to tighten my keel/centerboard 
'trunk' without putting her on the hard. Since I can reach most of the nuts by 
removing the cabin sole, I figure its worth a try. I cannot reach the bolts 
under the mast this way but I can probably get to most of the others. My 
keel/cb trunk is pretty wide so there are 2 rows of bolts/nuts holding it to 
the hull.
My guess is that I have 8-12 pairs of bolts and those that I can see are 7/8" 
diameter with nuts that are 1 1/2" across and appear to be stainless steel. 
BTW, my keel/cb trunk and board weigh-in at about 5600 lbs per the original 
specs.
A quick internet search on torque wrenches, multipliers and torque values with 
my bilge depth in mind indicates that I will need a 1 1/2" socket with an 
extension of ~ 12 inches and maybe a torque multiplier, depending on the torque 
required. 
List sources suggest torques of over 200 ft-lbs are required and most common 
torque wrenches top out at 150 ft-lbs thus the multiplier. My quick look at 
recommended torques vs. SS (18-8) bolt sizes indicates 193-195 ft-lbs is 
recommended for my bolts which is consistent with values I have seen on the 
list and the C&C photo album, although a little on the low end.
OTOH, I might be able to use a bigger/longer torque wrench without the 
multiplier.
Either way, I am not certain of what drive size to either rent/borrow or 
buy--and the cost is substantial if you go from the 'standard' 1/2" drive to 
3/4" or higher.
Questions for the list:
1. Are my torque values ~ 200 ft-lbs within the ballpark? I seem to remember 
some list recommendations at ~ 350 ft-lbs!
2. Also, what is a reasonable drive size to use?
3. Should I just go with a larger torque wrench (which will reach the ft-lbs 
required without the multiplier)?
4. Any likely issues with not tightening the bolts under the mast until my 
haul-out this summer?
TIA
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb







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Stus-List Epoxy or not

[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

I purchased Alegria in 2006.  Th teak was in and shapebut could have been 
lots worse.  I sanded to fresh teak, applied 3 coats of Cetol and 2 to coats of 
clear per their instructions.  Going on 12 years later with only a scotchbright 
ruff up and cleaning.I have a few dings to clean up, but, it is basically 
holding up well.  Tapeing the handrails is a bit of a pain but they look great. 
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Re: Stus-List Epoxy or not.

[Marc Boyd via CnC-List]

Thanks. Very good tip, which I shall apply once the weather gets better🙂

Marc.

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 11:22 AM, David via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Cetol light;  3 coats with 3 coats of clear over.  No orangy tinge and rugged.
> 
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> (401) 419-4650 
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Hoyt, Mike via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:52 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy or not.
>  
> Hi Marc
>  
> Cetol Light is a bit less orange than regular Cetol.  I normally use a brush 
> to apply.  It still has an orange tinge but looks oh so much better than a 
> weathered peeling handrail!  Somewhat less work than varnish as in my 
> experience it is not as problematic when it lifts in places as is varnish.
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
> www.hoytsailing.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marc Boyd 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:19 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Marc Boyd
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy or not.
>  
> Hi Mike,
>  
> Does the Cetol Light you use have a colour, or is it just called light? And, 
> do you apply by cloth or brush...or?
>  
> In the cabin of our C&C 30 the woodwork is not varnished, but oiled. 
> Interested in what you recommend here i.e. Stain or?
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Marc
>  
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:45 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> On Persistence we use Cetol Light on handrails and toerail.  At least one 
> maintenance coat per season.  Around companionway and hatch boards  we use 
> Epiphanes varnish.  We do this because the  interior has a lot of varnished 
> wood and the companionway wood pieces like to match.  Also maintenance coats 
> every year or two.
>  
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
> www.hoytsailing.com
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 8:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy or not.
>  
> I have stripped twice. 6 coats of Cetol with one maintenance coat per season. 
>  Done. 
> 
> From my Android
>  
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Watts via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 5:31:53 PM
> To: 1 CnC List
> Cc: Jim Watts
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy or not.
>  
> I skipped the varnish and the epoxy and used Cetol. 
> I would never use epoxy on any exterior wood that you can't cover. If you can 
> cover it, you don't need epoxy.
> One ding in the epoxy finish and you are pretty much guaranteed to have to 
> wood them down and start over.
>  
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>  
>  
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 13:14, Steven A. Demore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Another 2 cents.  I would use penetrating epoxy on them.  It soaks into the 
> wood and seals everything (not to mention looks exceptional).  Since the 
> epoxy isn't UV protected, cover it with 3 or 4 coats of varnish.  You may 
> have to clean and reapply the varnish as usual, but the penetrating epoxy 
> will last for life and keep the wood sealed. 
> 
> Steve
>  
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Stus-List Epoxy or not.
> From: Bev Parslow 
> Date: Mon, February 18, 2019 6:30 pm
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Just doing the teak handrails. They are coming up quite well BUT do I epoxy 
> and then 3-4 coats of varnish or just put the varnish on an skip the epoxy?
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Re: Stus-List West Coast C&C Rendezvous Aug 19-21 Telegraph Harbour

[Marc Boyd via CnC-List]

Thanks, greatly appreciated.

Marc.

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