Re: Stus-List Stern rail for a 41

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

www.topsinquality.com
They built many of the stainless rails, ladders and other bits on our boats.
Located in Michigan 
Chuck Gilchrest 

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> On Mar 9, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Chuck Borge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Nearly 2 weeks after her tumble, I'm trying to get our 41 back together and 
> looking to source some parts.
> Thus far it seems like we have more composite and gelcoat repair than broken 
> parts. As long as things work out with insurance and logistics, we hope to 
> make a full recovery.
> Since all my stanchions and most bases were damaged, I will be replacing all 
> of them along with the lifelines.  I found that South Shore Yacht in Ontario 
> may have all that I need there. The Bow rail suffered a slight bend, but 
> fixable.  The stern rail, on the other hand... looks like it will need a lot 
> of work.  It might be more economical to find a decent used one.  Here's 
> where I need some help.
> Any ideas?  Also, would anyone know if we would be close in dimension to any 
> other design (even a non-C)?  Maybe I can swap in something close.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Chuck
> 
> Chuck Borge
> C 41 Tenacious
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Stus-List Stern rail for a 41

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Hello all,

Nearly 2 weeks after her tumble, I'm trying to get our 41 back together and
looking to source some parts.
Thus far it seems like we have more composite and gelcoat repair than
broken parts. As long as things work out with insurance and logistics, we
hope to make a full recovery.
Since all my stanchions and most bases were damaged, I will be replacing
all of them along with the lifelines.  I found that South Shore Yacht in
Ontario may have all that I need there. The Bow rail suffered a slight
bend, but fixable.  The stern rail, on the other hand... looks like it will
need a lot of work.  It might be more economical to find a decent used
one.  Here's where I need some help.
Any ideas?  Also, would anyone know if we would be close in dimension to
any other design (even a non-C)?  Maybe I can swap in something close.

Thanks in advance,
Chuck

*Chuck Borge*
*C 41 Tenacious*
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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Good to know Don...as usual, read the SI!..
Bill

Bill Walker 
On Saturday, March 9, 2019 Don Kern via CnC-List  wrote:
 
Bill
 
Yup, the Rule 55 does curtail the use of sail stops going into a water.  
However, some of the venues (OAs) add to the Sailing Inst the following phrase 
"RRS 55 - A competitor shall not intentionally put trash in the water. This 
rule applies at all times while afloat. The penalty for a breach of this rule 
may be less than disqualification. However, discarding elastic or wool bands 
when setting a sail is permitted."
 Don
 Fireball C 35 II
 .
 On 3/9/2019 12:32 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List wrote:
  
 

Don,
    Isn't the use of rubber bands on spinnakers, or yarn, or anything that goes 
overboard intentionally during a race, banned by Rule 55 of RRS?
    That's what I have read and been told.
 Bill Walker 
 C 36
 Pentwater, Mi
    
 
Bill Walker 
 
 
 On Saturday, March 9, 2019 Don Kern via CnC-List  wrote:
 
 Joe
 
 Like Morgan I race my boat, so we fold the genoas after each race, a 
 least once per week, maybe two genoas per race. The mainsail is furled 
 on the boom and covered. The spinnakers are rubber banded and then care 
 fully stuffed into a spinnaker turtle.
 
 Don
 Fireball C 35 II
 
 
 On 3/8/2019 9:24 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
 > This is for my son's engineering class. His team is building a sail 
 > folding machine and this is part of the project. The prototype will 
 > probably be sized for Laser/420 type sails. They need 100 answers to 
 > this before they proceed.
 >
 > There is no marketing or spam involved here unless Google is doing it. 
 > It does not ask you for names or emails.
 >
 >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSepqfvKhPJykXVBQj8ZVRxEJS5gswZAIRJx1mOEbjiWgYcsRw/viewform
 >>  
 >>
 >
 >
 > Thanks!
 >
 > Joe
 >
 > Coquina
 >
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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Bill

Yup, the Rule 55 does curtail the use of sail stops going into a water.  
However, some of the venues (OAs) add to the Sailing Inst the following 
phrase "RRS 55 - A competitor shall not intentionally put trash in the 
water. This rule applies at all times while afloat. The penalty for a 
breach of this rule may be less than disqualification. However, 
discarding elastic or wool bands when setting a sail is permitted."


Don
Fireball C 35 II
.
On 3/9/2019 12:32 PM, WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List wrote:


Don,
   Isn't the use of rubber bands on spinnakers, or yarn, or anything 
that goes overboard intentionally during a race, banned by Rule 55 of RRS?

   That's what I have read and been told.
Bill Walker
C 36
Pentwater, Mi

Bill Walker




On Saturday, March 9, 2019 Don Kern via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Joe

Like Morgan I race my boat, so we fold the genoas after each race, a
least once per week, maybe two genoas per race. The mainsail is furled
on the boom and covered. The spinnakers are rubber banded and then care
fully stuffed into a spinnaker turtle.

Don
Fireball C 35 II


On 3/8/2019 9:24 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
> This is for my son's engineering class. His team is building a sail
> folding machine and this is part of the project. The prototype will
> probably be sized for Laser/420 type sails. They need 100 answers to
> this before they proceed.
>
> There is no marketing or spam involved here unless Google is doing it.
> It does not ask you for names or emails.
>
>> 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSepqfvKhPJykXVBQj8ZVRxEJS5gswZAIRJx1mOEbjiWgYcsRw/viewform 


>>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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Stus-List Kicker size for 30 '73

[Marc Boyd via CnC-List]

Hi there,

Just trying to determine what shaft length for my back-up kicker -
currently looking at a Honda 9.9 long shaft (20"). Also, is 9.9' adequate
as an emergency power? I'm thinking it should be.

Cheers and appreciate any thoughts on this

marc.
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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire - now folding a headsail

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Dennis

Do the same on Fireball where we launch Genoas out of a long zip bag 
that is secured to the toe rail. We pull the zipper forward to open the 
bag and attach the tack and head (led thru the pre-feed and onto the the 
twin foil). Pull the zipper back on aft end of bag which is laid between 
cabin and shrouds and and attach the sheets with bowlines.  Have not 
used soft shackles yet and am reluctant to do so.  We do a lot of short 
tacking to stay out the current so the sails do a lot of thrashing about 
every ten to twenty minutes.  Last season a J-30 had his main halyard 
soft shackle drop the main about 20 minutes into the race.  Had a very 
difficult time trying to recover the halyard, since the J-30 is a 
fractional rig and the s-shackle was in the sheave at the mast head.


Don

Fireball C II


On 3/9/2019 12:48 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:


We all have our preferred way of doing things on our boats.  :)

As a racer and long time foredeck, I fold all my headsails with the 
luff tape on top of itself.  If you do what I call a "cruiser fold" 
with the folds parallel to the foot and the head ending up in the 
middle, you risk ripping the luff tape when you launch the head sail.  
The tape will have to come from well aft of the pre-feeder or feeder 
and make a sharp bend from horizontal to vertical before feeding up 
the track. An overly enthusiastic crewperson jumping the sail might 
cause the luff tape to rip off.


The way you do it is to take a "half" fold at the luff only.  This 
will "cock" the sail slightly.  After the half fold, match the folds 
with the luff laying on top of itself. The leech will form a sawtooth 
as the leech folder works his/her way towards the luff.  The head is 
then folded to lie next to the tack.  When launching, the foredeck can 
easily find and hook up the tack and head.


The luff tape should lay well forward in the bow pulpit an be directly 
under the pre-feeder/feeder so it hoists straight up without bending.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 11:09 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



And I fold my hank on sails with a different pattern than the
sails with luff tape. With a luff tape, each fold is parallel to
the foot of the sail and the head of the sail ends up
approximately in the middle of the sail before I start rolling it
up. But when I was learning to sail on Lake Michigan 5 decades ago
with hank on sails, I learned to fold the sail perpendicular to
the luff so all the hanks were exposed. That way you could put the
sail down on the deck, connect the tack, put all the hanks on the
Headstay, and then just unroll the sail and hoist. And that
minimizes the time you need to stand on the pointy end of the boat
for a sail change.




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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire - now folding a headsail

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

We all have our preferred way of doing things on our boats.  :)

As a racer and long time foredeck, I fold all my headsails with the luff
tape on top of itself.  If you do what I call a "cruiser fold" with the
folds parallel to the foot and the head ending up in the middle, you risk
ripping the luff tape when you launch the head sail.  The tape will have to
come from well aft of the pre-feeder or feeder and make a sharp bend from
horizontal to vertical before feeding up the track.  An overly enthusiastic
crewperson jumping the sail might cause the luff tape to rip off.

The way you do it is to take a "half" fold at the luff only.  This will
"cock" the sail slightly.  After the half fold, match the folds with the
luff laying on top of itself.  The leech will form a sawtooth as the leech
folder works his/her way towards the luff.  The head is then folded to lie
next to the tack.  When launching, the foredeck can easily find and hook up
the tack and head.

The luff tape should lay well forward in the bow pulpit an be directly
under the pre-feeder/feeder so it hoists straight up without bending.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 11:09 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> And I fold my hank on sails with a different pattern than the sails with
> luff tape. With a luff tape, each fold is parallel to the foot of the sail
> and the head of the sail ends up approximately in the middle of the sail
> before I start rolling it up. But when I was learning to sail on Lake
> Michigan 5 decades ago with hank on sails, I learned to fold the sail
> perpendicular to the luff so all the hanks were exposed. That way you could
> put the sail down on the deck, connect the tack, put all the hanks on the
> Headstay, and then just unroll the sail and hoist. And that minimizes the
> time you need to stand on the pointy end of the boat for a sail change.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Don,
   Isn't the use of rubber bands on spinnakers, or yarn, or anything that goes 
overboard intentionally during a race, banned by Rule 55 of RRS?
   That's what I have read and been told.
Bill Walker 
C 36
Pentwater, Mi
   

Bill Walker 
On Saturday, March 9, 2019 Don Kern via CnC-List  wrote:
Joe

Like Morgan I race my boat, so we fold the genoas after each race, a 
least once per week, maybe two genoas per race. The mainsail is furled 
on the boom and covered. The spinnakers are rubber banded and then care 
fully stuffed into a spinnaker turtle.

Don
Fireball C 35 II


On 3/8/2019 9:24 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
> This is for my son's engineering class. His team is building a sail 
> folding machine and this is part of the project. The prototype will 
> probably be sized for Laser/420 type sails. They need 100 answers to 
> this before they proceed.
>
> There is no marketing or spam involved here unless Google is doing it. 
> It does not ask you for names or emails.
>
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSepqfvKhPJykXVBQj8ZVRxEJS5gswZAIRJx1mOEbjiWgYcsRw/viewform
>>  
>>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Joe

Like Morgan I race my boat, so we fold the genoas after each race, a 
least once per week, maybe two genoas per race. The mainsail is furled 
on the boom and covered. The spinnakers are rubber banded and then care 
fully stuffed into a spinnaker turtle.


Don
Fireball C 35 II


On 3/8/2019 9:24 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
This is for my son's engineering class. His team is building a sail 
folding machine and this is part of the project. The prototype will 
probably be sized for Laser/420 type sails. They need 100 answers to 
this before they proceed.


There is no marketing or spam involved here unless Google is doing it. 
It does not ask you for names or emails.


https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSepqfvKhPJykXVBQj8ZVRxEJS5gswZAIRJx1mOEbjiWgYcsRw/viewform 




Thanks!

Joe

Coquina



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Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I have to agree about the interval.

 

On my 25, with hank on headsails and use on weekends for day sails, The sail 
comes off and gets folded and stowed  every time I use the boat. On my 38, with 
roller reefing and a 135% genoa, the sail gets changed and stowed maybe once 
every two years.

 

And I fold my hank on sails with a different pattern than the sails with luff 
tape. With a luff tape, each fold is parallel to the foot of the sail and the 
head of the sail ends up approximately in the middle of the sail before I start 
rolling it up. But when I was learning to sail on Lake Michigan 5 decades ago 
with hank on sails, I learned to fold the sail perpendicular to the luff so all 
the hanks were exposed. That way you could put the sail down on the deck, 
connect the tack, put all the hanks on the Headstay, and then just unroll the 
sail and hoist. And that minimizes the time you need to stand on the pointy end 
of the boat for a sail change.

 

Oh, and on my 16’ dinghy, I install the sail before launching the boat, and 
anyway the sail is small enough and light enough cloth that I can basically 
just push it into the sailbag if need be.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Morgan Ellis 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Joe Della Barba 
Cc: Morgan Ellis 
Subject: Re: Stus-List sail folding machine questionnaire

 

Hi Joe, I answered the survey. A quick comment, your son may want to chaange 
the multiple choise answer options to the question on how often do you fold 
sails on your boat. The most frequent interval he offers is 3+ time per season. 
On the race boat we fold sails 3+ times per week!

 

Regards,

 

Morgan 

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