Stus-List 29MKII Introduction and questions: Water intrusion; Wiring Diagram; Line Lengths

[Jeremy Heather via CnC-List]

Hello everyone! We are the proud new owners of S/V Storm King, a 1983 C&C 
29MKII, Hull# 201. I’ve been following this thread since having been introduced 
to it by my friend, fellow club member and fellow 29MKII owner shortly after 
purchasing our new girl last November. She comes to us in pretty good shape 
from another club member who has owned her for the past 13 or 14 years.

My biggest immediate concerns are her windows in the main saloon and the water 
collecting in the bilge as she sits on the hard for the winter. My friend with 
his ’86 MKII seems to experience a similar issue. I can find no obvious source 
of the water, but every couple of weeks I have to pump a few gallons of water 
out of the bilge. Does anyone else have this issue and any possible leads on 
the source of the water? It seems quite significant, considering. The hull/deck 
seal appears to be in excellent shape everywhere that I have checked, and I see 
no traces of leaks from any deck fittings. The mast boot is in excellent shape. 
The foredeck does have a considerable amount of softness around the babystay 
and anchor locker that will need to be addressed in the near future, but, 
again, no obvious signs of significant water intrusion to the cabin. As I 
mentioned, the windows in the saloon are completely shot and must be replaced 
before this season. I have done a bit of research on the Photo Album site and 
understand this is not the easiest job. I hope to have the assistance of 
another club member and previous owner of the other 29MKII in replacing the 
windows. The boat is covered by a tarp for the winter, so there is no water 
intrusion through the windows at the moment, though there certainly will be 
when the cover is removed. Any advice would be gratefully received.

I’m also in search of a wiring diagram for the vessel. I have ordered the 
owner’s manual from Stu and I’m hoping I will find something there. If anyone 
has a copy of the diagram they would be willing to share, please let me know. 
The panel was replaced a number of years ago, but, save the VHF, there appears 
to be no functioning electrical in the mast.

Lastly, the control lines for the mainsail will have to be replaced this year. 
Does anyone know where I can find a listing of the line lengths for the 
outhaul, Cunningham, reefing, mainsheet, etc? Most of the control lines are 
missing, with the exception of the mainsheet, so I have no way of measuring the 
old lines. All I have been able to deduce is that they are all or mostly 
internal. May prove tricky to install.

I look forward to hearing from you all and your wealth of knowledge. My wife 
and I are thrilled to have the opportunity to join the C&C family as we have 
admired the make from afar for a number of years. We just moved up to the 29 
from our first boat, a wonderful little ’78 Catalina 25 that we completely 
restored. She taught us everything we know, but now we feel like we have a 
grown-up boat.

Thanks in advance!
Jeremy & Heather
S/V Storm King
Fleet Captain, Chelsea Yacht Club
Newbugh, NY
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Re: Stus-List Keel bolt question

[schiller via CnC-List]

With all of the discussion of keel bolt backing plates, I uncovered two 
new stainless steel backing plates and three old mild steel backing 
plates from our old Redwing 35.  They measure 2.5" X 4" with a 1" 
diameter hole.  The stainless steel plates are 3/8" thick and the mild 
steel plates are 1/4".  They could be had for a donation to Stu.


Let me know.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Crosswinds Marine, Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 3/17/2019 9:21 AM, Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote:

Those square plates are steel washers to spread the load - the Wider the 
better. They were often mild steel (to cut costs).
Admittedly they block water. The best solution is to fill in between them - 
which of course isn’t that much fun . . . . .
Cheers,   Rob Ball
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Stus-List Real boom preventer

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Andrew,

The line to the end of the boom is the way to go.  It makes it possible to lead 
the preventer close to the bow & back to a winch, with a long line for streach. 
 One good trick I’ve seen, probably a Brion Toss, is the dynema has a big shock 
cord sewn/seized inside.  Mostly it keeps the eye on the hook at the gooseneck, 
but any easing would be better than shock loading the boom in the water.  

On my first night delivery, when I really didn’t know much, I had to ask is,” 
Is it ok if the boom goes into the water”.  Later, the 4’ rooster tail on the 
spinnaker pole was just slow, before things got worse. . .

Cheers, Lee
s/v simplicity
Seattle


> On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:59 40PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm another who is leary of boom-brakes. They clutter the decks too much and 
> I hate a mid boom preventer because it's so easy for them to break the boom 
> in an accidental gybe or if the end of the boom gets dragged in the 
> water--not something to worry about with IOR designed C&Cs like my old 40, 
> but Masquerade has quite a long boom and the drag could be quite considerable.
> What I've done on my boat is rig a couple of strong lengths of dyneema from 
> padeyes at the end of the boom to near the gooseneck. That allows me to 
> attach a line from the bow back to loops in the dyneema and rig a proper 
> preventer. Essentially, that makes for a preventer from the bow to the end of 
> the boom. Having the dyneema to the end of the boom saves me having to center 
> the boom in order to attach the preventer, which would be a pain and 
> dangerous in any kind of sea. 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middletown, RI 
> USA02842
> 
> www.burtonsailing.com 
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>  
> +401 965-5260
> 
> On Mar 17, 2019, at 19:37, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth.  I 
>> always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe.  By tend I mean center the 
>> traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom.  As the gybe occurs I 
>> quickly release the sheet.  On multiple occasions I've seen main sails pop 
>> as a result of uncontrolled or "forced over" gybes.
>> 
>> Care is always required when going downwind but with an attentive helmsman a 
>> preventer can sometimes be avoided.  Most boats are actually slower dead 
>> downwind so pick one side or the other.  The most often time when a 
>> preventer is unavoidable is wing and wing.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig one 
>> when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This 
>> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been 
>> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a 
>> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my 
>> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be 
>> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple 
>> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake 
>> ) to more complicated and expensive 
>> devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com 
>> ).  In all cases, I worry about another 
>> couple of lines to trip over when moving on the side decks, thus trading one 
>> hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I was a product safety lawyer for a number of years including autos and 
industrial machinery such as power presses. The number one rule is to never let 
the user be within a danger zone, for example hands should never be allowed 
under the ram of a press even if the operator tried to do so.  By extension, 
the boom should be high enough so that even on an uncontrolled jibe it should 
clear the head of all onboard (rather than clear them of their head).   
Moreover, the safety of a topping lift can be vastly enhanced with a rigid 
Vang. The wind at the level of the boom is not very strong compared to the top 
of the mast so if you are tall enough to be hit you are better off shortening 
the sail and raising the boom and adding sail higher up with more roach.  Jerry 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think this is an interesting read: 
> https://www.sail-world.com/news/208083/?source=email or even better: 
> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/commercial/safety/accidents-reporting/accident-reports/documents/Platino-mnz-accident-report-2016.pdf
>  (from the horse’s mouth, a PDF).
>  
> Even with the boom preventer one should be careful how the boats is helmed.  
>  
> The main issue there was not related to the boom preventer, but the preventer 
> itself was incorrectly rigged and failed catastrophically.
>  
> On any boat of reasonable size (anything bigger than a dingy) I always gybe 
> using the mainsheet to bring the boom to the centreline and then releasing it 
> in controlled manner. By doing it always, I make sure that I would do it 
> correctly, when the wind is strong enough to make any damage.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 19:37
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
>  
> In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth.  I 
> always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe.  By tend I mean center the 
> traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom.  As the gybe occurs I 
> quickly release the sheet.  On multiple occasions I've seen main sails pop as 
> a result of uncontrolled or "forced over" gybes.
>  
> Care is always required when going downwind but with an attentive helmsman a 
> preventer can sometimes be avoided.  Most boats are actually slower dead 
> downwind so pick one side or the other.  The most often time when a preventer 
> is unavoidable is wing and wing.
>  
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
>  
>  
>  
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig one 
> when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This 
> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been 
> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a 
> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my 
> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be 
> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple 
> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more complicated 
> and expensive devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In all cases, I 
> worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving on the side 
> decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>  
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think this is an interesting read: 
https://www.sail-world.com/news/208083/?source=email or even better: 
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/commercial/safety/accidents-reporting/accident-reports/documents/Platino-mnz-accident-report-2016.pdf
 (from the horse’s mouth, a PDF).

Even with the boom preventer one should be careful how the boats is helmed.

The main issue there was not related to the boom preventer, but the preventer 
itself was incorrectly rigged and failed catastrophically.

On any boat of reasonable size (anything bigger than a dingy) I always gybe 
using the mainsheet to bring the boom to the centreline and then releasing it 
in controlled manner. By doing it always, I make sure that I would do it 
correctly, when the wind is strong enough to make any damage.

Marek

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 19:37
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth.  I 
always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe.  By tend I mean center the 
traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom.  As the gybe occurs I 
quickly release the sheet.  On multiple occasions I've seen main sails pop as a 
result of uncontrolled or "forced over" gybes.

Care is always required when going downwind but with an attentive helmsman a 
preventer can sometimes be avoided.  Most boats are actually slower dead 
downwind so pick one side or the other.  The most often time when a preventer 
is unavoidable is wing and wing.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig one 
when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This 
discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been concerned 
about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a particular 
problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my safety as 
opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be well worth 
installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple inexpensive solutions 
(https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake)
 to more complicated and expensive devices 
(http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).
  In all cases, I worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving 
on the side decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'm another who is leary of boom-brakes. They clutter the decks too much and I 
hate a mid boom preventer because it's so easy for them to break the boom in an 
accidental gybe or if the end of the boom gets dragged in the water--not 
something to worry about with IOR designed C&Cs like my old 40, but Masquerade 
has quite a long boom and the drag could be quite considerable.
What I've done on my boat is rig a couple of strong lengths of dyneema from 
padeyes at the end of the boom to near the gooseneck. That allows me to attach 
a line from the bow back to loops in the dyneema and rig a proper preventer. 
Essentially, that makes for a preventer from the bow to the end of the boom. 
Having the dyneema to the end of the boom saves me having to center the boom in 
order to attach the preventer, which would be a pain and dangerous in any kind 
of sea. 
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 17, 2019, at 19:37, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth.  I 
> always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe.  By tend I mean center the 
> traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom.  As the gybe occurs I 
> quickly release the sheet.  On multiple occasions I've seen main sails pop as 
> a result of uncontrolled or "forced over" gybes.
> 
> Care is always required when going downwind but with an attentive helmsman a 
> preventer can sometimes be avoided.  Most boats are actually slower dead 
> downwind so pick one side or the other.  The most often time when a preventer 
> is unavoidable is wing and wing.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig one 
>> when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This 
>> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been 
>> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a 
>> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my 
>> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be 
>> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple 
>> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more 
>> complicated and expensive devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In 
>> all cases, I worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving on 
>> the side decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

In my opinion boom brakes are more work and clutter than they are worth.  I
always tend the mainsheet when performing a gybe.  By tend I mean center
the traveler and pull in the sheet to center the boom.  As the gybe occurs
I quickly release the sheet.  On multiple occasions I've seen main sails
pop as a result of uncontrolled or "forced over" gybes.

Care is always required when going downwind but with an attentive helmsman
a preventer can sometimes be avoided.  Most boats are actually slower dead
downwind so pick one side or the other.  The most often time when a
preventer is unavoidable is wing and wing.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig
> one when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This
> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been
> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a
> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my
> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be
> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple
> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more
> complicated and expensive devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In
> all cases, I worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving
> on the side decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

So, from experiace, mid boom to toe rail with no brake, not good. Had that
on the LO300. 3m waves, down wind. Rudder out of water on the crests. Boat
went to port, backwinded the main. Bent the boom where the preventer was
attached.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Joe Della Barba 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:55:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

Mine goes form mid-boom to the toerail. I have never seen an end-boom
preventer.

I also have a boom brake device I need to rig up one of these days. It does
not prevent a gybe, it just makes it sloow

Joe

Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

An update - this is what Josh said already.

Marek

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:40
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

Actually, they (end boom preventers) do exist.

Some people rig a pennant from the end of the boom to the gooseneck; the 
gooseneck end has an eye and can be easily detached from the boom. You attach a 
second line from the toe rail or a string point on the deck to that pennant. 
This way it can be rigged when the boom is completely out.

A big point in rigging a gybe preventer is that it has to be secured to a _very 
strong_ point on the deck _and_ it has to be rigged so that it works as close 
to perpendicular to the boom as possible.. There was an interesting report on 
what can happen when the boom preventer is incorrectly rigged.

Marek
1994 C270 "Legato"
Ottawa, ON



From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:55
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer


Mine goes form mid-boom to the toerail. I have never seen an end-boom preventer.

I also have a boom brake device I need to rig up one of these days. It does not 
prevent a gybe, it just makes it sloow

Joe

Coquina


On 3/16/2019 11:51 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:
My Gybe preventer is simply a soft Vang taken to the toe rail.

Works great and doesn't require any special rigging.

Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this old 
discussion of how people rig them. End boom attachment sounds preferable, but 
does that have to run outside the shrouds?  If so, then you would have to rig 
it before letting the main out while you can stlill get to the end of the boom. 
 Then, how do you gybe when you want to?

  I have a single reef point on my new main, so I have an extra internal boom 
line and sheave  from the second reef setup that exits at the rear of the boom. 
 I am thinking that if i put a long enough line with a snap shackle at the end 
where it exits the boom, I could use that as a preventer.  Before letting the 
main out downwind, you would grab the shackle and run it forward to the toe 
rail near the bow and clip it in and then have control from the stopper on the 
cabin top.   Thoughts?  Dave
PS- No expectation of offshore/big waves racing in my future so this is a 
cruising/club racing solution



S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Actually, they (end boom preventers) do exist.

Some people rig a pennant from the end of the boom to the gooseneck; the 
gooseneck end has an eye and can be easily detached from the boom. You attach a 
second line from the toe rail or a string point on the deck to that pennant. 
This way it can be rigged when the boom is completely out.

A big point in rigging a gybe preventer is that it has to be secured to a _very 
strong_ point on the deck _and_ it has to be rigged so that it works as close 
to perpendicular to the boom as possible.. There was an interesting report on 
what can happen when the boom preventer is incorrectly rigged.

Marek
1994 C270 "Legato"
Ottawa, ON



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer


Mine goes form mid-boom to the toerail. I have never seen an end-boom preventer.

I also have a boom brake device I need to rig up one of these days. It does not 
prevent a gybe, it just makes it sloow

Joe

Coquina


On 3/16/2019 11:51 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote:
My Gybe preventer is simply a soft Vang taken to the toe rail.

Works great and doesn't require any special rigging.

Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer

I have been thinking aobut rigging a preventer on my boat so re-read this old 
discussion of how people rig them. End boom attachment sounds preferable, but 
does that have to run outside the shrouds?  If so, then you would have to rig 
it before letting the main out while you can stlill get to the end of the boom. 
 Then, how do you gybe when you want to?

  I have a single reef point on my new main, so I have an extra internal boom 
line and sheave  from the second reef setup that exits at the rear of the boom. 
 I am thinking that if i put a long enough line with a snap shackle at the end 
where it exits the boom, I could use that as a preventer.  Before letting the 
main out downwind, you would grab the shackle and run it forward to the toe 
rail near the bow and clip it in and then have control from the stopper on the 
cabin top.   Thoughts?  Dave
PS- No expectation of offshore/big waves racing in my future so this is a 
cruising/club racing solution




S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

David, in light winds yes .. it will serve purpose of reducing energy &
injury, if you get hit with boom.  In heavy winds... not so much,  you
would be badly injured or worse even w boom break.

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 11:08 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig
> one when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This
> discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been
> concerned about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a
> particular problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my
> safety as opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be
> well worth installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple
> inexpensive solutions (https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more
> complicated and expensive devices (http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In
> all cases, I worry about another couple of lines to trip over when moving
> on the side decks, thus trading one hazard for another.  Thoughts?  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the info on preventers.  I plan to use the advice to rig one 
when spring finally arrives and use it on long downwind cruises.  This 
discussion also led me to look into boom brakes.  I have always been concerned 
about getting hit by the boom on a gybe, and being 6’ 3”, it is a particular 
problem.  I had never thought of a boom brake as a device for my safety as 
opposed to the boat’s safety but realize now that this might be well worth 
installing on both accounts.  They seem to come in simple inexpensive solutions 
(https://dreamgreen.org/boom-brake) to more complicated and expensive devices 
(http://www.boom-brake-walder.com).  In all cases, I worry about another couple 
of lines to trip over when moving on the side decks, thus trading one hazard 
for another.  Thoughts?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Keel bolt question

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Those square plates are steel washers to spread the load - the Wider the 
better. They were often mild steel (to cut costs). 
Admittedly they block water. The best solution is to fill in between them - 
which of course isn’t that much fun . . . . . 
Cheers,   Rob Ball
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Re: Stus-List Barber hauler vs outboard sheet

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Bill,

Looks good to us, we’ll be there as much as possible.

Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32, FoxFire

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dennis C. via 
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Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 4:08 PM
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Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Barber hauler vs outboard sheet

Just a fine technical point on the difference between a Barber hauler and an 
outboard sheet.  I hope I'm right on this.  It's a fine distinction.

A Barber hauler (invented by the Barber brothers) is used in conjunction with 
the primary jibsheet.  As one sails a bit off the wind and eases the jibsheet, 
the leech of the headsail will tend to open and twist off a bit.  A Barber 
hauler is rigged to pull the clew outboard and down to reduce twist while 
opening the slot.  See:

http://www.mysailing.com.au/news/barber-haulers

An "outboard sheet" like we often use on Touche' is simply a sheet rigged to a 
snatch block on the toe rail which carries the full load of the headsail.  The 
primary jibsheet (the one rigged through the car on the genoa track) is fully 
slacked.

Now, if we were to take a bit of load on the primary sheet as well as the 
outboard sheet, then we would have a Barber hauler configuration.  By adjusting 
the tension on the two sheets, you can control both the height and the 
inboard/outboard position of the clew of the headsail.  Provides a lot of 
control for the leech of the headsail.

Yeah, I know, your brain hurts and it's way more knowledge than most of us want.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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