Re: Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I've had one of these Taylor Made Sur-Moor™ T3C™ Mooring Buoy for about 8
years now.  I like it.
http://www.taylormadeproducts.com/cgi-bin/catalog.pl?item_id=63

We did purchase this T3C™ Mooring Collar to go with it:
http://www.taylormadeproducts.com/cgi-bin/catalog.pl?item_id=69

If I was buying one today I'd go with this one (they didn't make it then):
http://www.taylormadeproducts.com/cgi-bin/catalog.pl?item_id=61

Ken H.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 16:27, Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I need to purchase a new mooring bouy for my 30-1. The old Taylor conical
> bouy had the lower metal rod fitting fail last Fall, The boat enjoyed a
> little freedom, but luckily no harm done.
>
> My old style bouy seems off the market A new styleJim-Bouy  has a hollow
> core shaft to move the chain up through the bouy to the top, for more
> direct connection to the bow lines, see
>
> https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-pendant-mooring-buoy-24inch=-1|2276108|2276138|2276139=1637498
>
> Anyone used one of these? Do I really need the $118 plate and ring too?
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=jim-buoy-mooring-system=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1358166
> ?
>
> Thanks for any advice or opinion
>
> Nate
>
> Sarah Jean
> 1980 30-1
> Lake St, Croix Hudson WI
>
> (and)
> 1994 Tartan 31
> Cornucopia, WI
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Re: Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

    https://www.defender.com/warehouse-sale19.html

    Thursday    3/28/19     9 AM - 7 PM
 Friday    3/29/19     9 AM - 7 PM
 Saturday    3/30/19     9 AM - 6 PM
 Sunday    3/31/19    10 AM - 3 PM

Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 3/21/2019 5:39 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:


Defender Warehouse Sale — March 28-31. Thursday start.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:37 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I thought it started Thursday???  Dave

PS- Will I see you there at the line area?

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Defender Warehouse sale starts Wednesday.  Don’t buy it until then.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic

Sent from my iPhone




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Re: Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Defender Warehouse Sale — March 28-31. Thursday start.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:37 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

I thought it started Thursday???  Dave

PS- Will I see you there at the line area?

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> Defender Warehouse sale starts Wednesday.  Don’t buy it until then.
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> S/V Half Magic
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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Re: Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I thought it started Thursday???  Dave

PS- Will I see you there at the line area?

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Defender Warehouse sale starts Wednesday.  Don’t buy it until then.
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> S/V Half Magic
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 21, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I need to purchase a new mooring bouy for my 30-1. The old Taylor conical 
>> bouy had the lower metal rod fitting fail last Fall, The boat enjoyed a 
>> little freedom, but luckily no harm done.
>> 
>> My old style bouy seems off the market A new styleJim-Bouy  has a hollow 
>> core shaft to move the chain up through the bouy to the top, for more direct 
>> connection to the bow lines, see
>> https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-pendant-mooring-buoy-24inch=-1|2276108|2276138|2276139=1637498
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Anyone used one of these? Do I really need the $118 plate and ring too?  
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=jim-buoy-mooring-system=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1358166
>>  
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks for any advice or opinion
>> 
>> Nate
>> 
>> Sarah Jean
>> 1980 30-1
>> Lake St, Croix Hudson WI
>> 
>> (and)
>> 1994 Tartan 31
>> Cornucopia, WI
>> ___
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Defender Warehouse sale starts Wednesday.  Don’t buy it until then.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need to purchase a new mooring bouy for my 30-1. The old Taylor conical 
> bouy had the lower metal rod fitting fail last Fall, The boat enjoyed a 
> little freedom, but luckily no harm done.
> 
> My old style bouy seems off the market A new styleJim-Bouy  has a hollow core 
> shaft to move the chain up through the bouy to the top, for more direct 
> connection to the bow lines, see
> https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-pendant-mooring-buoy-24inch=-1|2276108|2276138|2276139=1637498
>  
> Anyone used one of these? Do I really need the $118 plate and ring too?  
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=jim-buoy-mooring-system=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1358166?
> 
> Thanks for any advice or opinion
> 
> Nate
> 
> Sarah Jean
> 1980 30-1
> Lake St, Croix Hudson WI
> 
> (and)
> 1994 Tartan 31
> Cornucopia, WI
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don’t have one of those ring and plate devices. I did buy a collar to keep 
the chain/shackle from eating into the buoy.
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-moor-pro-buoy-protector-collar=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1637578

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate 
Flesness via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 3:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nate Flesness 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and 
advice/experience?

I need to purchase a new mooring bouy for my 30-1. The old Taylor conical bouy 
had the lower metal rod fitting fail last Fall, The boat enjoyed a little 
freedom, but luckily no harm done.

My old style bouy seems off the market A new styleJim-Bouy  has a hollow core 
shaft to move the chain up through the bouy to the top, for more direct 
connection to the bow lines, see
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-pendant-mooring-buoy-24inch=-1|2276108|2276138|2276139=1637498

Anyone used one of these? Do I really need the $118 plate and ring too?  
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=jim-buoy-mooring-system=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1358166?

Thanks for any advice or opinion

Nate

Sarah Jean
1980 30-1
Lake St, Croix Hudson WI

(and)
1994 Tartan 31
Cornucopia, WI
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Stus-List Mooring bouy new hollow style - and advice/experience?

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

I need to purchase a new mooring bouy for my 30-1. The old Taylor conical
bouy had the lower metal rod fitting fail last Fall, The boat enjoyed a
little freedom, but luckily no harm done.

My old style bouy seems off the market A new styleJim-Bouy  has a hollow
core shaft to move the chain up through the bouy to the top, for more
direct connection to the bow lines, see
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=jim-buoy-pendant-mooring-buoy-24inch=-1|2276108|2276138|2276139=1637498

Anyone used one of these? Do I really need the $118 plate and ring too?
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=jim-buoy-mooring-system=-1|2276108|2276138|2276137=1358166
?

Thanks for any advice or opinion

Nate

Sarah Jean
1980 30-1
Lake St, Croix Hudson WI

(and)
1994 Tartan 31
Cornucopia, WI
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Stus-List 37+ Genoa track

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Bruce, where is it leaking if the bolts do not penetrate the deck? Sorry I am 
having issues wrapping my head around how they are fastened after what Rob 
added. The force generated by the head sail can be substantial. They have got 
to be thru bolted like the rest of the fleet. 
Len

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

If you are racing under PHRF it is best to check the rating instructions 
for your region.  Below are the regions I race in:


In PHRF-NB (Narragansett Bay) the instruction states:
    REPORTABLE ITEMS OR MODIFICATIONS:
        R6) Rig modifications such as, but not limited to:
            b. spinnaker/whisker poles exceeding 101% of the J dimension.
            (this means you get penalized if a whisker pole exceeds the 
J by a variable amount depending on how long the pole is)


For ECSA PHRF  (Eastern Connecticut) the instruction states:
    REPORTABLE ITEMS OR MODIFICATIONS:
        Whisker Poles - Whisker poles must be declared, but there is no 
whisker pole length (WPL) limit


For PHRF-NE  (New England) the handicap instruction states:
    8.11 The standard class handicap for a yacht of a particular design 
assumes the following equipment, unless the yacht is handicapped in a 
one-design configuration:
        3. spinnaker pole (SPL) the same length as J; whisker poles 
shall be the same length as J;


And further the Racing Rules address outriggers (which are Spinnaker and 
Whisker poles) as:


50.3. Use of Outriggers
a. No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as 
permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting or 
other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on a sheet 
or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a vertical line 
would fall outside the hull or deck. For the purpose of this rule, 
bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not part of the hull or deck and 
the following are not outriggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of 
a sail, a bumkin used to sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed 
headsail that requires no adjustment when tacking.
b. Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly used 
for a sail and is permanently attached to the mast from which the head 
of the sail is set.
c. A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole 
or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set.


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 3/21/2019 9:50 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
I checked our rules and there is no limitation on whisker pole length 
in our region.  Dave



On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating 
adjustment for whisker pole length.  I picked
up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 
30' boat.


In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the 
wind works as well as anything else I have tried.

That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.

At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the 
wind flows around it as opposed to
it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more 
perpendicular to the wind, usually the
inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A 
bit like trimming a spinnaker.


Forespar has a diagram here:

https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf

Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means 
adjusting the inboard end to get enough

down pressure.

For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light 
air and about 18' in moderate air.
In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized 
and I take a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>



We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an
extendable whisker pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal
settings for pole height and length.   I suspect it is sometimes
suboptimal because I have noticed some boats able to carry the
genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have achieved.
 Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the
apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the
sail to some extent but I suspect it is more complicated than
that.  Height I have no idea.  Any general rules of thumb?



Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG
downwind apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those
numbers +spinnaker, -spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on
wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I checked our rules and there is no limitation on whisker pole length in our 
region.  Dave


> On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating adjustment for 
> whisker pole length.  I picked
> up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 30' boat.
> 
> In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the wind works 
> as well as anything else I have tried.
> That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines.
> 
> At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the wind 
> flows around it as opposed to
> it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more 
> perpendicular to the wind, usually the
> inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A bit 
> like trimming a spinnaker.
> 
> Forespar has a diagram here:
> 
> https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf
> 
> Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means adjusting the 
> inboard end to get enough
> down pressure.
> 
> For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light air and 
> about 18' in moderate air.
> In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized and I 
> take a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
> 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM 
> Cc: David Knecht  
> 
> 
> 
> We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker 
> pole for the genoa.  I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and 
> length.   I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some 
> boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have 
> achieved.  Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the 
> apparent wind.  It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some 
> extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that.  Height I have no 
> idea.  Any general rules of thumb? 
> 
> 
> 
> Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C  has optimal VMG downwind 
> apparent angle of about 140-145? true.  Are those numbers +spinnaker, 
> -spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole?  Thanks- 
> Dave 
> 
>   
> 
> S/V Aries 
> 
> 1990 C 34+ 
> 
> New London, CT 
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