Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 7:48 PM David via CnC-List wrote: > If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification > of this. Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in > light airs. > > Get Outlook for Android > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Michael > Brown via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM > > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Michael Brown > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height > > Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in > meeting notes from 2008 and 2009. > > *WPL penalty –* There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker > Pole lengths. > > 2009 Spring Meeting. > > > https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting > > It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current > documentation but I > do not see any. > > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C 30-1 > > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + > From: "Hoyt, Mike" > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > > > Michael > > Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is > considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to > look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved > with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding > of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have > separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted > to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those > are > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of this. Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light airs. Get Outlook for Android From: CnC-List on behalf of Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:40:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in meeting notes from 2008 and 2009. WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole lengths. 2009 Spring Meeting. https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current documentation but I do not see any. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Michael Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in meeting notes from 2008 and 2009. WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole lengths. 2009 Spring Meeting. https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current documentation but I do not see any. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:45:53 + From: "Hoyt, Mike" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Michael Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height
Michael Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully. In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J. You may wish to look in a definitions section if one is available. I have been involved with handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how most areas do it. However I do know there are some areas that have separate limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer than J … I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are Mike Persistence Halifax, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 7:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Downwind sailing- Whisker pole length and height I race handicapped by PHRF Lake Ontario which has no rating adjustment for whisker pole length. I picked up a Forespar Line Control which goes out to 22', a fair bit for a 30' boat. In light air, 4 knots TWS, setting the sails perpendicular to the wind works as well as anything else I have tried. That has the pole low at both ends, barely above the lifelines. At a higher wind speed the common advise is to trim the genoa so the wind flows around it as opposed to it being a barn door. That will bring the pole back so it is more perpendicular to the wind, usually the inboard end up the mast a bit and the leach pointing into the wind. A bit like trimming a spinnaker. Forespar has a diagram here: https://www.forespar.com/pdf/F6.1-whisker-pole-brochure.pdf Not having the leech bouncing around helps. For me that means adjusting the inboard end to get enough down pressure. For a genoa with a 21' LP I will use all 22' of whisker pole in light air and about 18' in moderate air. In heavier air I switch to the spin pole which is 14.5' ( oversized and I take a penalty ). I can tell it is not optimal but works OK. Michael Brown Windburn C 30-1 Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:42 PM Cc: David Knecht We race non-spinnaker class and a few years ago I got an extendable whisker pole for the genoa. I am unsure about optimal settings for pole height and length. I suspect it is sometimes suboptimal because I have noticed some boats able to carry the genoa poled out at much closer angles than I have achieved. Presumably the optimal pole angle is near perpendicular to the apparent wind. It seems that extending the pole flattens the sail to some extent but I suspect it is more complicated than that. Height I have no idea. Any general rules of thumb? Related to this, the VMG chart I have from C has optimal VMG downwind apparent angle of about 140-145? true. Are those numbers +spinnaker, -spinnaker standard or -spinnaker wing on wing with whisker pole? Thanks- Dave S/V Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
