Stus-List Ultrasonic sailing instruments?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

All right folks,

I'm giving more and more consideration to upgrading my sailing
instruments.  I currently have a Data marine offshore 3500 nav link system
that runs and integrates on a NMEA 0183 network.  The water speed wheel is
old and worn and needs regular cleaning.  The temperature indicator has
failed.  The anemometer is slow to respond and won't read below ~2kts.  All
the displays are in various states of partial functionality.  Over the
years I've been watching the ultrasonic wind speed senders and now I'm
seeing more about electromagnetic and ultrasonic water speed senders.  I'm
thinking/hoping to simply have them dump data onto the N2K bus and then
have the instrument displays, chartplotter, and auto-helm pick up the data
for interpretation and display.  I'm probably going to stick with B&G
Triton displays and my chartplotter is already a B&G Zeus 3.

Does anyone have any experience with these new-ish technologies.  Pros?
Cons?


Thanks,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

If you stay around the list long enough you'll hear people refer to "dog
bones" in the reef cringles.  They are short pieces nylon webbing passing
through the sail grommet at each of the reef points along the sail luff.
On each end is a SS ring.  The rings keep the dog bones captive.  The
length of the bones is designed so as to accommodate the stack height of
the sail slugs in the mast - shorter bone for the first reef and
progressively lo ger for the second and third.  A sail maker can make the
bones for you the next time the sail is in for service.  Alternatively you
can make them yourself out of some amsteel or other small stuff.  If you
have a cunningham you can even arrange them so that one ring hooks on the
horn and the other is positioned to be hooked by the cunningham.  When
going for the reef I've found it very effective to turn off the wind but
not down wind.  Maybe 60° to 90°.  Release the traveler all the way so that
the main luffs straight back in line with the boom.  Simultaneously ease
the halyard and take in the reefing line.  It helps to have the halyard
premarked so you know that you have lowered it enough.  Once down, hook the
dog bone.  Harden the halyard and then the reef line.  Remember to ease the
mainsheet and vang too so that the boom can rise up to the new clew.  Once
it is all hardened up then you can lash the sail as needed and come back up
to the wind.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 6:11 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This sounds like an interesting tactic, so I will try it next time things
> pick up. In this case, my wife was getting a bit uncomfortable, we were
> already 8 hours into an 11 hour sail, and the weather forecast I was
> working on was 12 hours old, so I couldn't be sure if it would get worse or
> not. It's still blowing 30-35 today, although it didn't go over 40 last
> night. Fortunately, 15-25 seems pretty common so it won't be long before
> we'll have a chance to practice in more moderate winds and a plan in place.
> I also like Fred's idea of skipping the first reef point, so maybe I will
> try that. I'd also like to see if I can switch to a single line reef
> without adding too much complexity. The rams horns are small an not very
> effective, so I ended up just lashing the reef point with a line at the
> gooseneck.
>
> I was actually quite surprised how much control I had with just one reef
> on the main, but that could be due to keeping the engine in gear (I wasn't
> taking any chances as we had to transit several tricky channels with lots
> of current), and to my shorter footed main, which is about 16" short of the
> boom end when unreefed. I suppose it may have come from another boat; the
> sail and cover are made by Lee Sails.
>
> Back to the boat tomorrow to try a few things... thanks!
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:42 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> When it would pipe up around 20, I would feather the main in the lee of
>> the jib, and drop it, the lazy jacks would hold it pretty much in place,
>> get the sail ties on and keep going.  That is if you have a 130 or better –
>>
>> I have won races doing that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>>
>> Erie PA
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek
>> Dziedzic via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:48 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 on that
>>
>>
>>
>> Marek
>>
>> 1994 C270 Legato
>> Ottawa, ON
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Frederick G Street via CnC-List
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 14:37
>>
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>
>> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
>>
>>
>>
>> I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just
>> the way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the
>> first main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.
>> Less fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and
>> second reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats,
>> anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> — Fred
>>
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

This sounds like an interesting tactic, so I will try it next time things
pick up. In this case, my wife was getting a bit uncomfortable, we were
already 8 hours into an 11 hour sail, and the weather forecast I was
working on was 12 hours old, so I couldn't be sure if it would get worse or
not. It's still blowing 30-35 today, although it didn't go over 40 last
night. Fortunately, 15-25 seems pretty common so it won't be long before
we'll have a chance to practice in more moderate winds and a plan in place.
I also like Fred's idea of skipping the first reef point, so maybe I will
try that. I'd also like to see if I can switch to a single line reef
without adding too much complexity. The rams horns are small an not very
effective, so I ended up just lashing the reef point with a line at the
gooseneck.

I was actually quite surprised how much control I had with just one reef on
the main, but that could be due to keeping the engine in gear (I wasn't
taking any chances as we had to transit several tricky channels with lots
of current), and to my shorter footed main, which is about 16" short of the
boom end when unreefed. I suppose it may have come from another boat; the
sail and cover are made by Lee Sails.

Back to the boat tomorrow to try a few things... thanks!
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:42 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When it would pipe up around 20, I would feather the main in the lee of
> the jib, and drop it, the lazy jacks would hold it pretty much in place,
> get the sail ties on and keep going.  That is if you have a 130 or better –
>
> I have won races doing that.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek
> Dziedzic via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:48 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
>
>
>
> +1 on that
>
>
>
> Marek
>
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
> *From:* Frederick G Street via CnC-List
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 14:37
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
>
>
>
> I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just
> the way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the
> first main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.
> Less fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and
> second reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats,
> anyway.
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

When it would pipe up around 20, I would feather the main in the lee of the 
jib, and drop it, the lazy jacks would hold it pretty much in place, get the 
sail ties on and keep going.  That is if you have a 130 or better – 

I have won races doing that.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

 

+1 on that

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

 

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 14:37

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Frederick G Street 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

 

I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just the 
way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the first 
main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.  Less 
fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and second 
reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats, anyway. 

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI





 

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Stus-List Rule float switches

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For any who might recall, I am a big advocate of Ultra Safety Systems bilge 
switches. Funny thing, Touché has had a Rule Super Switch for several years. :) 
Rule switches have gotten bad reviews since they redesigned them a few years 
ago. I always said when the Rule died I’d switch to a USS switch. 

Well, the Rule died over the weekend. And, yes, I have a Ultra Safety Systems 
junior bilge switch on the way. 

Should be installed next week. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Engine clean-up

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I don't know how I stumbled upon it, but I came across a YouTube Video of a 
young fellow doing a demonstration of engine detailing, and to my surprise, I 
watched all of it. He took this old Camry beater and made that engine look like 
it came off the showroom floor.  Well, almost.

Worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRSoRkM8GcM



Bill Coleman
Erie PA


Charley,
Use paint remover from Lowes (liquid) and Auto Zone (spray can). Get small 
tooth brush-like wire brushes, sander/wire brush for drill, scraping tools 
(putty knife, screwdriver, etc). Use lacquer thinner to clean that mess, let 
dry. Get pampers, yes baby diapers, to lay under, around, above, wherever, the 
engine to catch and soak up the mess, (they’re useful to catch dripping oil 
too, don’t ask how I know). Blue tape to mask miscellaneous parts, name plate, 
hoses, wiring. Enjoy that ENTIRE day, second day prime what needs it then paint 
until your hearts content. 
I did that routine in January, worked really well, made it up as I went, secret 
recipe. Three ol buds came by at separate times and each asked “IS THAT A NEW 
MOTOR?” Made me feel better, but what did they say to themselves before.

Jason
C&C 29 I
Mississippi 


> 
> Parts of my Beta 28 diesel engine have serious paint/rust scaling issues that 
> I would like to remove before cleaning and spray painting the engine. 
> Unfortunately, most of this is in/around the front of the engine (forward 
> facing) cooling lines, alternator, etc. which is impossible to reach with a 
> wire brush, either manual or on the end of a?power drill.?If I had?one with 
> enough cfm, I would probably soda-blast the stuff away with an air compressor 
> blaster. ?One mechanic suggested the only real way to do this is to remove 
> the engine for soda-blasting?which is costly?and time consuming.??I might be 
> able to do it with some sort of flexible shaft that could be driven by a 
> power drill--any kind of regular power drill with a brush?is just too bulky 
> to get close to/behind various engine pieces. ?OTOH, I could just try a high 
> pressure water spray after covering up the alternator and ignition panel to 
> motor wiring connector. ?Any suggestions from the list on how such a clean-up 
> might be done??Charlie Nelson1995 C&C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom???



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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

For those of us race and change sails, one of my racer buddies told me you 
never change down from a #1 to a #2. You always drop to your #3. In my years 
racing since he told me that, I’ve come to agree with him. 

You might start with a #2 but you rarely change down to one. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List heavy weather trim

[Al Goodman via CnC-List]

Just finished a race where the winds were over 30,  I had one reef in place
and unfurled my jib to about 1/3.  Had great control the weather helm was
nonexistent.

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Today's Topics:

   1.  Heavy weather sail trim (Shawn Wright)
   2. Re:  Heavy weather sail trim (Andrew Burton)
   3. Re:  Heavy weather sail trim (Shawn Wright)
   4. Re:  Heavy weather sail trim (Marek Dziedzic)
   5. Re:  Heavy weather sail trim (Frederick G Street)


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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:20:51 -0700
From: Shawn Wright 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
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Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, and in
spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she handled the
sustained 35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours with minimal drama
(according to the graph at Trial Island that I checked this morning). A few
breaking waves pushed the bow over, before I started steering into them and
the wind to prevent being knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the
main flogging so much, but going forward to add a second reef (no line was
in place) was an option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident
taking the helm. (although she did a few times when I had to add the first
reef around 20 knots, and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).

I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double reefed
main and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I considered unfurling a
sliver of the foresail but decided to just keep feathering the main and also
had the motor going the while time to help plow through the waves.
This is one instance where having extra engine power on tap is nice.

I'm interested in what tactics work best for sail setup when winds increase
to 25+, as these conditions are not unusual around here, and I want to be
more prepared next time.  We had a bit of water in the bilge, but a 2 liter
plastic water jug broke, so it's hard to tell how much was from that, and
how much from other sources. I know that some will have come down the
windlass. My job of cleaning the decks after 10 days of cruising is now
done... just need to spray the salt off :)
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:25:06 -0400
From: Andrew Burton 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim
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In those conditions, you should be good with just a small jib and no main.
That's a lot of breeze. I bet you were kind of lonely out there!
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middeltown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, 
> and in spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she 
> handled the sustained 35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours 
> with minimal drama (according to the graph at Trial Island that I 
> checked this morning). A few breaking waves pushed the bow over, 
> before I started steering into them and the wind to prevent being 
> knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the main flogging so much, 
> but going forward to add a second reef (no line was in place) was an 
> option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident taking the 
> helm. (although she did a few times when I had to add the first reef
around 20 knots, and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).
>
> I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double 
> reefed main and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I 
> considered unfurling a sliver of the for

Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I did some experimenting one time with a double reefed main/engine/jib 
variables in some snotty weather.

If you really need to pinch to make a lee shore etc…motor sail with 2/3rd reef 
and sock the main down.

If however you have no need to pinch (and/or can crack off a bit) a small main 
with even a handkerchief of a jib present makes a big difference to speed and 
balance.   I believe it’s the creation of the slot by the jib  that boosts 
speed and pointing.

But when you can really start cracking off…get rid of the main first (before 
the off-wind pressure loads it up and it won’t come down due  to friction) and 
unroll as much jib as helm balance allows.   Speed secondary.  Balance primary. 
 You will be going plenty fast.

David F. Risch
Gulf Stream Associates
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

I'm on the same page as Fred. I just reeve the second and third reefs. Our 
boats are so easily-driven we don't lose much by going straight to two reefs, 
if we're not racing.

Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middeltown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:37 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just the 
way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the first 
main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.  Less 
fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and second 
reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats, anyway.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Until it is really blowing, I always prefer to have both (preferably small) 
sails up. This provides for better balance and gives me more options for 
adjusting the sails. This is particularly helpful when going upwind, because 
the two sails work together. If I were in your place, I would try to take the 
second reef on the main and let some of the jib out. The furled jib has an 
advantage that you can reduce it or unfurl a bit, as the situation warrants.

If reefing the main was not the option (as you mentioned), I would do what 
Andrew suggested – I would drop the main and use the jib alone. Different boats 
behave differently in that situation (you may have problems tacking and you may 
have quite a bit of a lee helm), but again, your furled sail can be easily 
adjusted up or down, as the situation changes.

To be completely honest, I would have dropped to the second reef at 20 kt. and 
adjust the jib (more initially, less eventually). I always subscribe to the 
idea to “do what is necessary, before it is necessary”. Additionally, at high 
wind, I prefer a smaller main – or you get way too much weather helm.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 on that

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 14:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just the 
way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the first 
main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.  Less 
fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and second 
reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats, anyway.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'm on the same page as Fred. I just reeve the second and third reefs. Our
boats are so easily-driven we don't lose much by going straight to two
reefs, if we're not racing.

Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middeltown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:37 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just
> the way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the
> first main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.
> Less fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and
> second reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats,
> anyway.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Until it is really blowing, I always prefer to have both (preferably
> small) sails up. This provides for better balance and gives me more options
> for adjusting the sails. This is particularly helpful when going upwind,
> because the two sails work together. If I were in your place, I would try
> to take the second reef on the main and let some of the jib out. The furled
> jib has an advantage that you can reduce it or unfurl a bit, as the
> situation warrants.
>
> If reefing the main was not the option (as you mentioned), I would do what
> Andrew suggested – I would drop the main and use the jib alone. Different
> boats behave differently in that situation (you may have problems tacking
> and you may have quite a bit of a lee helm), but again, your furled sail
> can be easily adjusted up or down, as the situation changes.
>
> To be completely honest, I would have dropped to the second reef at 20 kt.
> and adjust the jib (more initially, less eventually). I always subscribe to
> the idea to “do what is necessary, before it is necessary”. Additionally,
> at high wind, I prefer a smaller main – or you get way too much weather
> helm.
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
>
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I may be a bit lazy, as I’m a cruiser and not a racer; or maybe it’s just the 
way the reef points are set up on my main.  But I don’t even reeve the first 
main any more.  If things pick up, I go straight to the second reef.  Less 
fiddling, and I’ve never missed the sail area between the first and second 
reef.  The headsail tends to be the primary driver on our boats, anyway.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Until it is really blowing, I always prefer to have both (preferably small) 
> sails up. This provides for better balance and gives me more options for 
> adjusting the sails. This is particularly helpful when going upwind, because 
> the two sails work together. If I were in your place, I would try to take the 
> second reef on the main and let some of the jib out. The furled jib has an 
> advantage that you can reduce it or unfurl a bit, as the situation warrants.
>  
> If reefing the main was not the option (as you mentioned), I would do what 
> Andrew suggested – I would drop the main and use the jib alone. Different 
> boats behave differently in that situation (you may have problems tacking and 
> you may have quite a bit of a lee helm), but again, your furled sail can be 
> easily adjusted up or down, as the situation changes.
>  
> To be completely honest, I would have dropped to the second reef at 20 kt. 
> and adjust the jib (more initially, less eventually). I always subscribe to 
> the idea to “do what is necessary, before it is necessary”. Additionally, at 
> high wind, I prefer a smaller main – or you get way too much weather helm.
>  
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Until it is really blowing, I always prefer to have both (preferably small) 
sails up. This provides for better balance and gives me more options for 
adjusting the sails. This is particularly helpful when going upwind, because 
the two sails work together. If I were in your place, I would try to take the 
second reef on the main and let some of the jib out. The furled jib has an 
advantage that you can reduce it or unfurl a bit, as the situation warrants.

If reefing the main was not the option (as you mentioned), I would do what 
Andrew suggested – I would drop the main and use the jib alone. Different boats 
behave differently in that situation (you may have problems tacking and you may 
have quite a bit of a lee helm), but again, your furled sail can be easily 
adjusted up or down, as the situation changes.

To be completely honest, I would have dropped to the second reef at 20 kt. and 
adjust the jib (more initially, less eventually). I always subscribe to the 
idea to “do what is necessary, before it is necessary”. Additionally, at high 
wind, I prefer a smaller main – or you get way too much weather helm.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 13:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

In those conditions, you should be good with just a small jib and no main.
That's a lot of breeze. I bet you were kind of lonely out there!
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middeltown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, and in 
spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she handled the sustained 
35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours with minimal drama (according to 
the graph at Trial Island that I checked this morning). A few breaking waves 
pushed the bow over, before I started steering into them and the wind to 
prevent being knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the main flogging so 
much, but going forward to add a second reef (no line was in place) was an 
option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident taking the helm. 
(although she did a few times when I had to add the first reef around 20 knots, 
and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).

I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double reefed main 
and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I considered unfurling a sliver 
of the foresail but decided to just keep feathering the main and also had the 
motor going the while time to help plow through the waves. This is one instance 
where having extra engine power on tap is nice.

I'm interested in what tactics work best for sail setup when winds increase to 
25+, as these conditions are not unusual around here, and I want to be more 
prepared next time.  We had a bit of water in the bilge, but a 2 liter plastic 
water jug broke, so it's hard to tell how much was from that, and how much from 
other sources. I know that some will have come down the windlass. My job of 
cleaning the decks after 10 days of cruising is now done... just need to spray 
the salt off :)
--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, this is good to know. I wanted to drop the main and try that, but I
was afraid it would be shredded in the process. There were a few other
sailboats, but none of them with sails up. Just as we passed by Victoria
harbour, a windsurfer crossed our bow, tacked back, and waved... he was
flying!
--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In those conditions, you should be good with just a small jib and no main.
> That's a lot of breeze. I bet you were kind of lonely out there!
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 139 Tuckerman Ave
> Middeltown, RI
> USA 02842
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> phone  +401 965 5260
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, and
>> in spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she handled the
>> sustained 35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours with minimal drama
>> (according to the graph at Trial Island that I checked this morning). A few
>> breaking waves pushed the bow over, before I started steering into them and
>> the wind to prevent being knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the
>> main flogging so much, but going forward to add a second reef (no line was
>> in place) was an option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident
>> taking the helm. (although she did a few times when I had to add the first
>> reef around 20 knots, and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).
>>
>> I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double reefed
>> main and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I considered unfurling
>> a sliver of the foresail but decided to just keep feathering the main and
>> also had the motor going the while time to help plow through the waves.
>> This is one instance where having extra engine power on tap is nice.
>>
>> I'm interested in what tactics work best for sail setup when winds
>> increase to 25+, as these conditions are not unusual around here, and I
>> want to be more prepared next time.  We had a bit of water in the bilge,
>> but a 2 liter plastic water jug broke, so it's hard to tell how much was
>> from that, and how much from other sources. I know that some will have come
>> down the windlass. My job of cleaning the decks after 10 days of cruising
>> is now done... just need to spray the salt off :)
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
>> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

In those conditions, you should be good with just a small jib and no main.
That's a lot of breeze. I bet you were kind of lonely out there!
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middeltown, RI
USA 02842
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, and in
> spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she handled the
> sustained 35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours with minimal drama
> (according to the graph at Trial Island that I checked this morning). A few
> breaking waves pushed the bow over, before I started steering into them and
> the wind to prevent being knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the
> main flogging so much, but going forward to add a second reef (no line was
> in place) was an option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident
> taking the helm. (although she did a few times when I had to add the first
> reef around 20 knots, and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).
>
> I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double reefed
> main and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I considered unfurling
> a sliver of the foresail but decided to just keep feathering the main and
> also had the motor going the while time to help plow through the waves.
> This is one instance where having extra engine power on tap is nice.
>
> I'm interested in what tactics work best for sail setup when winds
> increase to 25+, as these conditions are not unusual around here, and I
> want to be more prepared next time.  We had a bit of water in the bilge,
> but a 2 liter plastic water jug broke, so it's hard to tell how much was
> from that, and how much from other sources. I know that some will have come
> down the windlass. My job of cleaning the decks after 10 days of cruising
> is now done... just need to spray the salt off :)
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Yesterday we experienced our first heavy weather in our new 35 mk2, and in
spite of only being able to put one reef in the main, she handled the
sustained 35 knot winds closehauled for over two hours with minimal drama
(according to the graph at Trial Island that I checked this morning). A few
breaking waves pushed the bow over, before I started steering into them and
the wind to prevent being knocked down too far. I didn't like seeing the
main flogging so much, but going forward to add a second reef (no line was
in place) was an option I quickly discarded as my wife was not confident
taking the helm. (although she did a few times when I had to add the first
reef around 20 knots, and tighten the dinghy lashing on the foredeck).

I suspect she would have been much easier to handle with a double reefed
main and maybe part of the inner foresail unfurled. I considered unfurling
a sliver of the foresail but decided to just keep feathering the main and
also had the motor going the while time to help plow through the waves.
This is one instance where having extra engine power on tap is nice.

I'm interested in what tactics work best for sail setup when winds increase
to 25+, as these conditions are not unusual around here, and I want to be
more prepared next time.  We had a bit of water in the bilge, but a 2 liter
plastic water jug broke, so it's hard to tell how much was from that, and
how much from other sources. I know that some will have come down the
windlass. My job of cleaning the decks after 10 days of cruising is now
done... just need to spray the salt off :)
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Re: Stus-List stainless round cowl vents

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Holland Marine Products has them

John Conklin
South East Sales and Business Development
cel 301-412-8991
j.conk...@marraforni.com
www.marraforni.com


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Frederick G Street 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:30:10 AM
To: Bill via CnC-List
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List stainless round cowl vents

Try this:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victory-CH4360-Stainless-Steel-4-Round-Cowl-Vent-w-Deck-Plate-135-1048/302171082684?epid=2111937729&hash=item465acccfbc:g:ClwAAOSw6DtYWCp0

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:20 AM, John via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hello everyone

We are almost finished with our two year complete refit and restoration of our 
Landfall 38. We need to find a complete set of stainless cowl vents. New, or 
used.

Thank you
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Re: Stus-List stainless round cowl vents

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Try this:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Victory-CH4360-Stainless-Steel-4-Round-Cowl-Vent-w-Deck-Plate-135-1048/302171082684?epid=2111937729&hash=item465acccfbc:g:ClwAAOSw6DtYWCp0
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:20 AM, John via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone 
> 
> We are almost finished with our two year complete refit and restoration of 
> our Landfall 38. We need to find a complete set of stainless cowl vents. New, 
> or used. 
> 
> Thank you 
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Re: Stus-List stainless round cowl vents

[John via CnC-List]

Hello everyone 

We are almost finished with our two year complete refit and restoration of our 
Landfall 38. We need to find a complete set of stainless cowl vents. New, or 
used. 

Thank you 
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Stus-List Deck Cleats

[Marc Boyd via CnC-List]

Hi, I need to replace two of my cockpit cleats located behind and in front
of my foresail winches.

I was wondering if anyone knows the make/model and where I can source them
from.

I have a 1973?C&C 30’. There are no stamps or identifiers on the cleats.
There are two on each side of the cockpit combing. They are four hole
aluminum.

Thanks,

Marc.
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Re: Stus-List Oil pressure alarm on Westerbeke 20B2

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the feedback and info folks - sure enough it was the oil 
pressure switch (actually the electrical connection tab to connect to it had 
broken rather than the internal switch itself) - should have been obvious if I 
had been looking in the right place.  Anyway, new switch, 5 minute 
installation, and we are  back in business!

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S/V Wisper
1981 C&C 34
Lynn, MA
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