Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

After this discussion emerged on this list a year or two ago, I contacted GEICO 
(which had become the Boat US insurer) and asked whether, if I were dismasted, 
the depreciation would apply.  They looked into it and replied yes.  As I 
recall, there was a 20% floor.  In other words, if I got dismasted, I would 
have to pay 80% of the replacement cost.  I have a 42 foot boat with a 60 foot 
mast.  I was on the phone to Travelers that day.

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:27 PM
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They only 
depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A couple of 
years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot. Geico paid the 
full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no depreciation. I 
suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same thing.


Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated 
coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 
20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still 
pay the same premium. 



  I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue 
after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, 
let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.  

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

It is also why I switched to Travelers.

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated 
coverage...

This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS STEEL 
depreciate?

Joe

Coquina





On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:

  Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...



  Thanks,  
  Danny





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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Speak to a supervisor. There should be no depreciation for those parts.

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 2:37 PM Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and
> stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
>  Original message 
> From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/10/19 5:27 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C 
> Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated
> coverage...
>
> I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They
> only depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A
> couple of years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot.
> Geico paid the full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no
> depreciation. I suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same
> thing.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
>> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
>> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
>> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
>> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
>> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
>> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>>
>>
>>
>> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
>> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
>> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

This is why I just switched to Progressive. How the  does STAINLESS 
STEEL depreciate?


Joe

Coquina



On 11/10/2019 5:36 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:
Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit 
and stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...




Thanks,
Danny

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Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

Many of our boat’s rudders are supported by Delrin bushings. Many of these 
parts have lasted a long time. When they need replacement I would suggest using 
Delrin AF. It’s PTFE impregnated Delrin, somewhat slipperier than the original. 

Alan Liles
SV Elendil 
C 37/40+
Vancouver, BC


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Re: Stus-List Florida Rendezvous

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

3 to 5 boats + land/air travelers is fine. I think our Chesapeake 
rendezvous have been about 5 boats and that plus the land contingent 
makes for a lot of fun.


Joe

Coquina

On 11/10/2019 12:46 PM, Laird Loughlin via CnC-List wrote:
I have been following the thread for a rendezvous in Florida.  I can 
see that there are a few boats scattered all over the state and a 
rendezvous might get 3-5 participants. My suggestion would be to have 
a dry-land rendezvous at a central location.  That way, people from 
way down south, the Atlantic coast, the Gulf coast and other areas 
could attend. Might even get some non-C
Make it a weekend thing if you want.  How about Jimmy Buffet's 
Margaritaville in Orlando?

Laird

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Geico marine insurance is depreciating my anchor roller, blow pulpit and 
stanchions by 80% because they say those parts are from 1985...Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  5:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: C 
 Cc: ALAN BERGEN  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage... I have 
Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They only 
depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A couple of 
years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot. Geico paid the 
full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no depreciation. I 
suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same thing.Alan Bergen35 
Mk III ThirstyRose City YCPortland, OROn Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David 
Risch via CnC-List  wrote:







I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage
 pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated coverage drops 
to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 20% of fixing 
damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still pay the same 
premium.

 
I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy. 




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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I have Geico Insurance through BoatUS. Agreed value is agreed value. They
only depreciate items that are depreciable, like sails or the engine. A
couple of years ago, my boom cracked after getting hung up on a crab pot.
Geico paid the full cost of replacing the boom - parts and labor, with no
depreciation. I suspect your new insurance company's policy does the same
thing.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Florida Rendezvous

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Sounds great...whenJim Schwartz Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Laird Loughlin via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  12:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Laird Loughlin  Subject: 
Stus-List Florida Rendezvous I have been following the thread for a rendezvous 
in Florida.  I can see that there are a few boats scattered all over the state 
and a rendezvous might get 3-5 participants.  My suggestion would be to have a 
dry-land rendezvous at a central location.  That way, people from way down 
south, the Atlantic coast, the Gulf coast and other areas could attend.  Might 
even get some non-C

 

Make it a weekend thing if you want.  How about Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville 
in Orlando?

 

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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

It's actually only on parts you can't prove are not over 20 years old.  Then 
the parts reimbursement starts dropping off.  Labor is covered 100%Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: David Risch via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  4:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch  Subject: Stus-List 
Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage... 

I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage
 pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated coverage drops 
to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 20% of fixing 
damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still pay the same 
premium.

 
I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy. 




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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I got North American Specialty Insurance Company - agreed value.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat 
coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO as 
their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.  Reimbursement 
coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.  Depreciated 
coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats would only receive 
20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I learned of this and I still 
pay the same premium.

I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue after 
a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement carrier, let me 
know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacing

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Bill,

I used Minwax polyurethane on the sole that I have since had to replace.  The 
urethane did not hold up.

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Bill Coleman via 
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Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 12:37 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacing

I asked our local Shipwright here what he used, and he said Minwax 
Polyurethane. Like you would use on your hardwood flooring or on a gym floor. 
For some reason we think you have to use marine varnish, and well, down below, 
not so much.
I redid my sole around 5 years ago or so, and I believe it still looks great. I 
removed it to the shop over the winter, and used a heat gun to scrape the 
varnish off, sanded, glued the teak and holy back together where necessary, ( 
it is solid teak with holly strips) and put on around 4 or five coats.  That 
urethane wears like iron.

Bill Coleman
Erie PA


Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 9, 2019, at 08:53, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm looking at replacing ours as well, though probably sometime next year.  
What is the preferred method of sealing and varnishing the wood?  What varnish 
did you use?  Did you seal the underside with epoxy?  If so, what kind?

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"


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Re: Stus-List Florida Rendezvous

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Non-C’ers?? Who wants those types?

Yesterday, I was on a corporate event on the San Diego Bay and we powered past 
the area’s biggest regatta event of the year that attracts over a hundred 
participants and uses a staggered start system so that it’s boat-for-boat at 
the finish. 

I was enjoying the view final leg of the competition, along with an attorney 
from my group who is a J109 owner/racer in the Chicago area. We saw a J109, a 
few J105s, a couple of J100s and several other makes/models. I saw a Baltic, 
but not one C 

He said, “I sure see a lot of J-boats out here, Edd.”

My reply: “That’s because all the C’s have already finished.”

All the best, 

Edd

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> On Nov 10, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Laird Loughlin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 


I have been following the thread for a rendezvous in Florida.  I can see that 
there are a few boats scattered all over the state and a rendezvous might get 
3-5 participants.  My suggestion would be to have a dry-land rendezvous at a 
central location.  That way, people from way down south, the Atlantic coast, 
the Gulf coast and other areas could attend.  Might even get some non-C
 
Make it a weekend thing if you want.  How about Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville 
in Orlando?
 
Laird
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Stus-List Florida Rendezvous

[Laird Loughlin via CnC-List]

I have been following the thread for a rendezvous in Florida.  I can see that there are a few boats scattered all over the state and a rendezvous might get 3-5 participants.  My suggestion would be to have a dry-land rendezvous at a central location.  That way, people from way down south, the Atlantic coast, the Gulf coast and other areas could attend.  Might even get some non-C

 

Make it a weekend thing if you want.  How about Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville in Orlando?

 

Laird

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Re: Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacing

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I asked our local Shipwright here what he used, and he said Minwax 
Polyurethane. Like you would use on your hardwood flooring or on a gym floor. 
For some reason we think you have to use marine varnish, and well, down below, 
not so much.

I redid my sole around 5 years ago or so, and I believe it still looks great. I 
removed it to the shop over the winter, and used a heat gun to scrape the 
varnish off, sanded, glued the teak and holy back together where necessary, ( 
it is solid teak with holly strips) and put on around 4 or five coats.  That 
urethane wears like iron.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

 

Regards,

Dave
 

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 9, 2019, at 08:53, bwhitmore via CnC-List  wrote:

I'm looking at replacing ours as well, though probably sometime next year.  
What is the preferred method of sealing and varnishing the wood?  What varnish 
did you use?  Did you seal the underside with epoxy?  If so, what kind?

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C 37/40+

"Astralis"

 

 

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Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder removal

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Adding one more reply to Fred's question -
For us removing the donut collar was very difficult. The set screws likely
had mangled some threads and this caused threads to seize / shear within
the collar when unscrewing it. Our collar appears to be stainless steel, so
definitely a difference from the brass/bronze Ed on Prime Interest says his
is. Eventually what did it was a very large pipe wrench hit with a very
large hammer (with help from Lee on this list). The pipe wrench scratched
up the collar a bit but there was no avoiding this as rubber padding
attempts didn't have enough grip.

Like Paul, removing the radial drive was also difficult. The 4 bolts were
seized but I was able to unthread 3 using a large ratchet with a DIY
breaker bar (pipe extension). The 4th bolt got rounded off at the bolt head
so I had to cut it off with a dremel. The rest was easier than Paul's
experience though, the two halves came apart with some hammering of a small
wedge.

My writeup is here:
https://svviolethour.com/2016/05/03/this-years-haul-out-dropping-the-rudder/


 -Patrick
1984 LF38
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Re: Stus-List Thickness of acrylic cabin windows on LF38?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Like Alan, I used 9mm smoke acrylic. Set in with 3M black VHB. Finished off 
with a high quality black silicone. Don’t fret the application pressure thing; 
once set in place the ports are not moving. Gentle strong pressure for a minute 
or so all that is needed. 

Second time I’ve replaced them, last time using sealant. Never do that again. 

Have photos of process if desired. 

Regards,
Dave
1982 C 37 - Ronin


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> On Nov 10, 2019, at 11:01 AM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I used 9mm cast acrylic, applying it with Plexus. Don't use extruded, as it's 
> weaker. Lexan is stronger than acrylic, but it scratches more easily.
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 7:38 AM Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm getting ready to do the windows project and have read the prior threads 
>> about it (plus the helpful Boatworks youtube video).
>> 
>> When others did this project, on Landfall 38 or similar sized C's, did you 
>> use 3/8" thickness or 1/4" on the new windows? 
>> 
>> My existing windows are 3/8", thrubolted with black sealant. The sealant 
>> squeezed out to the edges due to the thrubolting, so the windows are very 
>> much flush with the inner fiberglass. I'm wondering when I switch to VHB, 
>> will the tape thickness (0.045 in / 1.1mm) cause the windows to protrude 
>> noticeably? 
>> 
>> Paul on SV Johanna Rose (LF38) says on his blog that he used 1/4" thickness 
>> (Lexan/polycarbonate, which I am not doing).
>> 
>> Another thought is if others used 1/4" acrylic, will I be able to flex 3/8" 
>> acrylic enough to fit the contour of the hull? 3/8" is pretty stiff. I've 
>> read about the different methods people used to hold the windows in place 
>> until the VHB cures and am thinking of using the weighted plank method 
>> (place wood boards at an angle to the exterior and put weights on them to 
>> apply pressure) plus just manually holding in place for the first 10-15 min.
>> 
>> -Patrick
>> 1984 C LF38
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Thickness of acrylic cabin windows on LF38?

[sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List]

Patrick, I used  1/4 on Pegasus. I can give you the whole process that I used 
on both Pegasus and Rebecca Leah. Give me a call. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah 
C LF39253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/10/19  07:37  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Davin  Subject: Stus-List 
Thickness of acrylic cabin windows on LF38? I'm getting ready to do the windows 
project and have read the prior threads about it (plus the helpful Boatworks 
youtube video).When others did this project, on Landfall 38 or similar sized 
C's, did you use 3/8" thickness or 1/4" on the new windows? My existing 
windows are 3/8", thrubolted with black sealant. The sealant squeezed out to 
the edges due to the thrubolting, so the windows are very much flush with the 
inner fiberglass. I'm wondering when I switch to VHB, will the tape thickness 
(0.045 in / 1.1mm) cause the windows to protrude noticeably? Paul on SV Johanna 
Rose (LF38) says on his blog that he used 1/4" thickness (Lexan/polycarbonate, 
which I am not doing).Another thought is if others used 1/4" acrylic, will I be 
able to flex 3/8" acrylic enough to fit the contour of the hull? 3/8" is pretty 
stiff. I've read about the different methods people used to hold the windows in 
place until the VHB cures and am thinking of using the weighted plank method 
(place wood boards at an angle to the exterior and put weights on them to apply 
pressure) plus just manually holding in place for the first 10-15 
min.-Patrick1984 C LF38Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Thickness of acrylic cabin windows on LF38?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I used 9mm cast acrylic, applying it with Plexus. Don't use extruded, as
it's weaker. Lexan is stronger than acrylic, but it scratches more easily.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 7:38 AM Patrick Davin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm getting ready to do the windows project and have read the prior
> threads about it (plus the helpful Boatworks youtube video).
>
> When others did this project, on Landfall 38 or similar sized C's, did
> you use 3/8" thickness or 1/4" on the new windows?
>
> My existing windows are 3/8", thrubolted with black sealant. The sealant
> squeezed out to the edges due to the thrubolting, so the windows are very
> much flush with the inner fiberglass. I'm wondering when I switch to VHB,
> will the tape thickness (0.045 in / 1.1mm) cause the windows to protrude
> noticeably?
>
> Paul on SV Johanna Rose (LF38) says on his blog that he used 1/4"
> thickness (Lexan/polycarbonate, which I am not doing).
>
> Another thought is if others used 1/4" acrylic, will I be able to flex
> 3/8" acrylic enough to fit the contour of the hull? 3/8" is pretty stiff.
> I've read about the different methods people used to hold the windows in
> place until the VHB cures and am thinking of using the weighted plank
> method (place wood boards at an angle to the exterior and put weights on
> them to apply pressure) plus just manually holding in place for the first
> 10-15 min.
>
> -Patrick
> 1984 C LF38
> Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I used SuperLube, a white heavy duty synthetic grease -
https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe

Resistant to salt water. Has lots of other uses too.

+1 to Delrin for the bearing disc.

There's a grease fitting already in the rudder stock tube (mine had a green
grease in it, which is still working well). I don't think you would need
one in the thrust bearing, and am not sure how you would install one there
anyway. I did notice a squeak coming from that area (near the Delrin disc)
a couple weeks ago while sailing, so am planning to squeeze some more
Superlube below the disc or maybe spray in some dry lubricant (SailKote).

-Patrick
1984 LF38

-- Forwarded message --
From: Simon and Silvana 

I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant
to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass
tube.
What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust
bearing?
Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing?
Thanks
Simon
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Stus-List Thickness of acrylic cabin windows on LF38?

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I'm getting ready to do the windows project and have read the prior threads
about it (plus the helpful Boatworks youtube video).

When others did this project, on Landfall 38 or similar sized C's, did
you use 3/8" thickness or 1/4" on the new windows?

My existing windows are 3/8", thrubolted with black sealant. The sealant
squeezed out to the edges due to the thrubolting, so the windows are very
much flush with the inner fiberglass. I'm wondering when I switch to VHB,
will the tape thickness (0.045 in / 1.1mm) cause the windows to protrude
noticeably?

Paul on SV Johanna Rose (LF38) says on his blog that he used 1/4" thickness
(Lexan/polycarbonate, which I am not doing).

Another thought is if others used 1/4" acrylic, will I be able to flex 3/8"
acrylic enough to fit the contour of the hull? 3/8" is pretty stiff. I've
read about the different methods people used to hold the windows in place
until the VHB cures and am thinking of using the weighted plank method
(place wood boards at an angle to the exterior and put weights on them to
apply pressure) plus just manually holding in place for the first 10-15 min.

-Patrick
1984 C LF38
Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Cabin Sole resurfacing

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

And how does it stand up to racing abuse, dropped winch handles, stains etc.  
Photos I saw online it looked pretty good.

Rod 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 8:11 AM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mike and group,  
> 
> If anyone has good photos of the installed Lonseal PlasTeak product,  I'd 
> like to see them.
> 
> As much as I am a traditionalist, ease of repair my win out.
> 
> I'd really like to know if you can notice a distinct difference between this 
> and real teak.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Mike Taylor via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/9/19 4:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mike Taylor 
> Subject: Stus-List Fwd:  Fwd:  Cabin Sole resurfacing
> 
> Hi Rod
> 
> Here is a link to the product I purchased from Defender.  Correction on 
> product name.  PlasTeak is the trade name.  Lonseal makes them all.
> 
> https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C2276179%7C2276198%7C2276201=3325405
> 
> I’m on the east coast now I could provide pics next week when I get home.
> 
> Mike
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Rod Stright 
>> Date: November 9, 2019 at 5:06:27 PM AST
>> Cc: Mike Taylor 
>> Subject: Re:  Stus-List Fwd:  Cabin Sole resurfacing
>> 
>> Can you send additional info haven’t heard of it here.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Rod 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> I went with PlasTeak a few years ago.  New plywood with 2 coats of West 
>>> system epoxy.  Looks real good.  Got it at Defender.  Can send some tips 
>>> and pics if you desire.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
 Date: November 9, 2019 at 9:22:28 AM AST
 To: CnC discussion list CnC 
 Cc: David Knecht 
 Subject: Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacing
 Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 The cabin sole on my boat is not in great shape.  There are areas where 
 the holly stripes and are gone or pulling away.   I am considering what to 
 do and have a vague recollection of someone using a glue-on faux 
 teak/holley covering over the wood (Nautikflor?) but I can’t find that 
 discussion anywhere in the archives.  Has anyone done that?  Thanks- Dave
 
 S/V Aries
 1990 C 34+
 New London, CT
 
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Cabin Sole resurfacing

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Mike and group,  If anyone has good photos of the installed Lonseal PlasTeak 
product,  I'd like to see them.As much as I am a traditionalist, ease of repair 
my win out.I'd really like to know if you can notice a distinct difference 
between this and real teak.Thanks!Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: Mike Taylor via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/9/19  4:42 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Mike Taylor  Subject: 
Stus-List Fwd:  Fwd:  Cabin Sole resurfacing Hi RodHere is a link to the 
product I purchased from Defender.  Correction on product name.  PlasTeak is 
the trade name.  Lonseal makes them 
all.https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C2276179%7C2276198%7C2276201=3325405I’m
 on the east coast now I could provide pics next week when I get home.MikeBegin 
forwarded message:From: Rod Stright Date: November 9, 
2019 at 5:06:27 PM ASTCc: Mike Taylor Subject: Re:  
Stus-List Fwd:  Cabin Sole resurfacingCan you send additional info haven’t 
heard of it here.ThanksRod Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 9, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Mike 
Taylor via CnC-List  wrote:DaveI went with PlasTeak a 
few years ago.  New plywood with 2 coats of West system epoxy.  Looks real 
good.  Got it at Defender.  Can send some tips and pics if you desire.MikeBegin 
forwarded message:From: David Knecht via CnC-List Date: 
November 9, 2019 at 9:22:28 AM ASTTo: CnC discussion list CnC 
Cc: David Knecht Subject: 
Stus-List Cabin Sole resurfacingReply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comThe cabin sole 
on my boat is not in great shape.  There are areas where the holly stripes and 
are gone or pulling away.   I am considering what to do and have a vague 
recollection of someone using a glue-on faux teak/holley covering over the wood 
(Nautikflor?) but I can’t find that discussion anywhere in the archives.  Has 
anyone done that?  Thanks- Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT




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