Re: Stus-List Garboard Plug

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

I drilled for garboard drain last fall.  I will install perko drain in spring.
I used 2 earth magnets to locate where to drill...one low inside bilge taped 
where I wanted the drain, then just moved the other on outside of keel stub 
until it "located" it's mate and voila, knew exactly where to drill my pilot 
and hole.
Bill Walker
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi
On Friday, January 10, 2020 Len Mitchell via CnC-List  
wrote:
The way I have to look at it is based on being on the hard from October to May. 
If I was in the water like Josh 11/12 months or Bob 12/12, I wouldn’t even look 
at it. It wouldn’t make sense to me either and simply is not required. If you 
have ever checked on your boat and found water just under the floor boards or 
quite possibly just over the floor boards frozen solid you would understand why 
I have no problem properly installing one. It’s just peace of mind. I think 
this hull penetration is much less a risk than the others. Just count for 
yourself how many hull penetrations you have when you include instruments, 
stuffing box and traditional thru hulls. I believe stock I have 9 “holes” and 
the garboard plug is 10. It’s really a different mindset based on a northern 
climate. Anyway glad I finally did it after 20 years so we can travel where 
it’s warm without worry, that was the point of my original post lol. 
Len

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Re: Stus-List Recent Increase in Spam?

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 Be careful Edd, he's double dipping.  I've already sent him the money.RonWild 
CheriC&C 30-1STL

On Friday, December 20, 2019, 10:16:41 AM CST, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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 Listers,
I have not seen any increase in spam mail. 
However, thanks to a Saudi prince, I’m now actively shopping for a C&C 51 as 
the Enterprise-C, as I expect to have quite a bit of money wired into my 
checking account any day now…. 

All the best,
Edd

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Stus-List Garboard Plug

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

The way I have to look at it is based on being on the hard from October to May. 
If I was in the water like Josh 11/12 months or Bob 12/12, I wouldn’t even look 
at it. It wouldn’t make sense to me either and simply is not required. If you 
have ever checked on your boat and found water just under the floor boards or 
quite possibly just over the floor boards frozen solid you would understand why 
I have no problem properly installing one. It’s just peace of mind. I think 
this hull penetration is much less a risk than the others. Just count for 
yourself how many hull penetrations you have when you include instruments, 
stuffing box and traditional thru hulls. I believe stock I have 9 “holes” and 
the garboard plug is 10. It’s really a different mindset based on a northern 
climate. Anyway glad I finally did it after 20 years so we can travel where 
it’s warm without worry, that was the point of my original post lol. 
Len

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I like the garboard drain idea, but it seems much simpler, safer, and cheaper 
($15.80) to install the tubing w squeeze bulb I suggested earlier.  Setup your 
charger like I do with a radio and you won't have to climb a ladder.  I 
wouldn't leave a boat unchecked for more than a few weeks.  You gotta check 
that the tarp is ok, the stands are tight, no trimbs have fallen on it, etc, 
and I always plug in the charger regularly so the batteries get topped off and 
don't freeze.  I get 10 to 11 years out of my batteries.   Here's what I 
bought.  works great.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-8-Universal-Fuel-Line-Assembly-with-Primer-Bulb-for-Boat-Outboard-Marine-Tractor-Black/606786606?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=9869&adid=227077274554&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=189966947924&wl4=aud-430887228898:pla-294792031802&wl5=9003904&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=115780161&wl11=online&wl12=606786606&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAiA3uDwBRBFEiwA1VsajIdfD22TNowhAsr00lXZYOzOFTAZZyk-iYa9XhLDPzwAxMwITC_76hoCc5wQAvD_BwE

Chuck



> On at rjcasciato--- via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Josh, I have the 1" version as seen in several other emailsit is 
> located at the very bottom of the bilge sump. (C&C 38MKII) It was installed 
> about 10 years ago. The location was carefully sited and drilled from the 
> outside.the hole actually sits a quarter inch below the bilge floor.
> The brass plate is recessed into the hull to be flush with the hull. We 
> smear a small amount of marine underwater fairing cpd. for the summer of 
> racing.
> When she gets set up on the hard for the winterwe slightly tilt the 
> boat to port and insert a PVC threaded fitting with an angled piece of pipe 
> to carry water away from the hull.
> This installation has required NO maintenance and is sealed 
> completelyno chance for water intrusion unless we forget to put the plug 
> in in the spring.
> You won't be sorry and that's 1more thing you don't have to worry about 
> over the winter.
> Impromptu is located in the Boston area and winters here are usually wet 
> and cold..
> I'm getting too old to safely climb a 12' ladder in the freezing weather 
> to check the bilge.
> Best
> Ron Casciato
> 
> 
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> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: muckl...@gmail.com
> Sent: 2020-01-10 2:46:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug
> 
> My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull 
> penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I 
> would install it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and 
> mine may be 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally 
> vacuum and sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was 
> difficult to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and 
> faired the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose 
> you could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) 
> issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug 
> and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and 
> that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. 
> Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. 
> > Len 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
> > 
> > 
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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I have been drilling a half inch hole in the hull at the lowest point in
the bilge for years and plugging same hole each year before launch with
epoxy putty. No problems yet and my boat winters well with open ports under
the tarp. I store my upholstered cushions on board and on edge every
winter. Biggest cocern is rodents but so far so good

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:04 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze
> fitting for it.
> I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to
> just wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the
> fall.  My boat is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a
> warm day each month, (temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug
> in my charger to top off the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast
> and do some chores.  It's very little water, that would never find it's way
> to a sump, and takes only a few minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When
> she's overwintered in the water, I used the same method and dry the bilge.
> This is a big  improvement over adding pink chemicals to the bilge.
>
> This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on
> the boat.
>
> The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for
> about $50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it
> can sit on my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it.
> The long hose allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the
> front of the cabin area.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>
>
> > On January 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried a garboard plug on a centerboard version C&C keel?
> Where did you put it?  I like the idea of keeping the bilge dry in the
> winter on the hard but am not sure how well it would work with the
> flat/wide bilge on the boat with the keel bolts down each side.  Where
> would I put it?  It would almost be ideal if I could go straight down the
> into the center board trunk but not sure if that would work (how long would
> the hole have to be?) or how to plug it. Thoughts?
> >
> > - -
> > Nathan Post
> > S/V Wisper
> > 1981 C&C 34 CB
> > Lynn, MA USA
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

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Josh, I have the 1" version as seen in several other emailsit is located at the very bottom of the bilge sump. (C&C 38MKII) It was installed about 10 years ago. The location was carefully sited and drilled from the outside.the hole actually sits a quarter inch below the bilge floor.The brass plate is recessed into the hull to be flush with the hull. We smear a small amount of marine underwater fairing cpd. for the summer of racing.When she gets set up on the hard for the winterwe slightly tilt the boat to port and insert a PVC threaded fitting with an angled piece of pipe to carry water away from the hull.This installation has required NO maintenance and is sealed completelyno chance for water intrusion unless we forget to put the plug in in the spring. You won't be sorry and that's 1more thing you don't have to worry about over the winter.Impromptu is located in the Boston area and winters here are usually wet and cold..I'm getting too old to safely climb a 12' ladder in the freezing weather to check the bilge.Best Ron Casciato Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: muckl...@gmail.comSent: 2020-01-10 2:46:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard plug
My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MDOn Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List  wrote:Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. Len https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0Sent from my iPad___

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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Yes, I agree with Josh—one more hole that could let water into the boat.  No 
way I would do this in my boat!

Bob

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull 
> penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it 
> low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 
> 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and 
> sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to 
> plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the 
> garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could 
> use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so 
> it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept 
> the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s 
> why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you 
> can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know. 
> Len 
> 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Garboard plug

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

My only concern to doing this is the same concern I have with any hull
penetration - one more hole to inadvertently let water in.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 10:51 AM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install
> it low in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be
> 1/4-1/2 inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and
> sponge out the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult
> to plan with a normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired
> the garboard drain so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you
> could use 5200 but I don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature)
> issues so it isn’t as smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon
> plug and kept the bronze plug as a spare. There is no downside to this
> project and that’s why I should have done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36
> KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox photos. If not let me know.
> Len
>
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5gwyjrpy2ee8xgo/Photo%202019-05-03%2C%204%2001%2020%20PM.jpg?dl=0
>
>
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Stus-List Garboard plug

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Our bilge is shallow but not as shallow as a KCB model. I would install it low 
in the keel stub. It would be best as low as you can and mine may be 1/4-1/2 
inch off the bottom and it works fine. I would normally vacuum and sponge out 
the bilge whenever it was above freezing but that was difficult to plan with a 
normal work schedule. I installed it with epoxy and faired the garboard drain 
so you would have to look hard to see it. I suppose you could use 5200 but I 
don’t like using it.  I had epoxy cure (temperature) issues so it isn’t as 
smooth as it will be next April. I bought a nylon plug and kept the bronze plug 
as a spare. There is no downside to this project and that’s why I should have 
done it 20 years ago on our 1981 36 KCB too. Hopefully you can open the Dropbox 
photos. If not let me know. 
Len 


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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

That's clever.
I employed something similar in the past.  There are times when I didn't want 
to climb a ladder to charge batteries and sponge the bilge.  Times when the 
boat was covered in snow and there might be ice on deck.  I set it up in the 
Fall, pulled the speedo and used that hole for an extension cord and a length 
of small tubing secured in the bilge.  The tubing had a squeeze bulb (outboard 
fuel line) on it below the hull with it's discharge tubing taped to a boat 
stand aimed down.  I left the male plug of the extension cord hanging just 
outside the hull.  Upon arrival, with wind blowing, I didn't have to climb a 
ladder or walk on an icy deck.  I would connect a 100 foot power cord between 
Marina power and my boat, listen under the hull for my radio to play, which 
meant the charger was powered, and pump the squeeze bulb a few times and the 
water would trickle down onto the ground and not get me wet.   I'd then go to 
lunch nearby or visit friends' boats, take pictures, to give the charger time 
to work and disconnect it before heading back home.  Sometimes I could send a 
cell phone photo of a friend's boat to show all is well, and save him a trip, 
or a photo might show something needing attention.   Photos are so easy with 
today's phones.

Chuck


> On January 10, 2020 at 9:54 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am dealing with a mast up for the first time this year, and was fully 
> prepared to poke a hole in the bottom, but as we all have a little sphincter 
> tightening when we think about new holes in our boats, I decided to first try 
> something different. My transducers are right by the mast step, and there is 
> a little tube coming out below the step draining mast water. I put a vinyl 
> hose on the tube, and because the tube went slightly uphill to get over to 
> the hole where my transducer (removed) was, I put a strip of 1/8” X ½” felt 
> inside the tube and out past bottom of the hose outside to siphon the water 
> down.
> 
> So far, I have had no water in the bilge, and amazingly it seems to be 
> wicking all the water out. Knock on wood.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> Erie PA
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:06 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac
> 
>  
> 
> FYI, my routine is similar to Chuck's regarding the bilge water issue.
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:04 AM
> 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac
> 
>  
> 
> I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze
> 
> fitting for it.
> 
> I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to
> 
> just wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the 
> fall.
> 
> My boat is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a warm day
> 
> each month, (temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug in my
> 
> charger to top off the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast and do
> 
> some chores.  It's very little water, that would never find it's way to a
> 
> sump, and takes only a few minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When she's
> 
> overwintered in the water, I used the same method and dry the bilge.  This
> 
> is a big  improvement over adding pink chemicals to the bilge.
> 
>  
> 
> This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on 
> the
> 
> boat.
> 
>  
> 
> The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for
> 
> about $50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it
> 
> can sit on my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it.
> 
> The long hose allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the
> 
> front of the cabin area.
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md
> 
>  
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Agreed.  I am also five minutes from my boat, it is covered when on the 
hard, and I "plug-in" and check on things regularly.  I find it therapeutic.


-Original Message- 
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:42 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

I think it is quite different in the colder climates.  On the East Coast of 
Canada we get a lot of wet precipitation and many freeze/thaw cycles over 
the winter.  What had convinced me to go with garboard drain in previous 
boats was this combined with the winter inaccessibility of the boats.  We 
were sailing from a marina in cottage country nearly 2 hours from our home. 
The boat would be unattended from the time it was closed up on the hard in 
early October until we next visited in April.


One year a coupe hired someone to put a new teak / holly cabin sole in their 
Newport 28. That winter the cockpit filled with snow, then it rained and 
then it froze.  This prevented the cockpit scuppers from working and 
eventually we had rain that overflowed from the companionway and into the 
cabin.  This of course froze and the cycle went on.  The new sole was 
ruined.  That spring they installed a garboard drain (and had the sole 
replaced).


Our current boat is in Halifax approx. 5 minutes from our home.  The boat is 
covered and is on my daily commute so I see it daily.  However others who 
have boats on the hard at our club are not by daily and have had problems. 
In the winter of 2015 we had massive amounts of snow.  A number of sailboat 
covers collapsed and water followed by ice made its way into the boats.  One 
J35 had to be recovered in the spring and sat on the hard for a year to dry 
out before the repairs could be completed at the insistence of the insurance 
company.  We were lucky.  I noted the imminent collapse of our cover and was 
able to spend 2 hours cleaning it off and strengthening the supports.


Garbord drains are not pretty but they can do a lot to limit damages to 
unattended boats stored on the hard over a Northern winter.  On Persistence 
we do not have a garboard drain .. this is only because I visually inspect 
the boat during my daily commute and visit it often over the winters ...


Mike

Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

FYI, my routine is similar to Chuck's regarding the bilge water issue.


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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I am dealing with a mast up for the first time this year, and was fully
prepared to poke a hole in the bottom, but as we all have a little sphincter
tightening when we think about new holes in our boats, I decided to first
try something different. My transducers are right by the mast step, and
there is a little tube coming out below the step draining mast water. I put
a vinyl hose on the tube, and because the tube went slightly uphill to get
over to the hole where my transducer (removed) was, I put a strip of 1/8” X
½” felt inside the tube and out past bottom of the hose outside to siphon
the water down.

So far, I have had no water in the bilge, and amazingly it seems to be
wicking all the water out. Knock on wood.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

 

FYI, my routine is similar to Chuck's regarding the bilge water issue.

 

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:04 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER

Subject: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

 

I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze 

fitting for it.

I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to 

just wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the fall. 

My boat is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a warm day 

each month, (temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug in my 

charger to top off the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast and do 

some chores.  It's very little water, that would never find it's way to a 

sump, and takes only a few minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When she's 

overwintered in the water, I used the same method and dry the bilge.  This 

is a big  improvement over adding pink chemicals to the bilge.

 

This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on the 

boat.

 

The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for 

about $50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it 

can sit on my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it. 

The long hose allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the 

front of the cabin area.

 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I think it is quite different in the colder climates.  On the East Coast of 
Canada we get a lot of wet precipitation and many freeze/thaw cycles over the 
winter.  What had convinced me to go with garboard drain in previous boats was 
this combined with the winter inaccessibility of the boats.  We were sailing 
from a marina in cottage country nearly 2 hours from our home.  The boat would 
be unattended from the time it was closed up on the hard in early October until 
we next visited in April.

One year a coupe hired someone to put a new teak / holly cabin sole in their 
Newport 28. That winter the cockpit filled with snow, then it rained and then 
it froze.  This prevented the cockpit scuppers from working and eventually we 
had rain that overflowed from the companionway and into the cabin.  This of 
course froze and the cycle went on.  The new sole was ruined.  That spring they 
installed a garboard drain (and had the sole replaced).

Our current boat is in Halifax approx. 5 minutes from our home.  The boat is 
covered and is on my daily commute so I see it daily.  However others who have 
boats on the hard at our club are not by daily and have had problems.  In the 
winter of 2015 we had massive amounts of snow.  A number of sailboat covers 
collapsed and water followed by ice made its way into the boats.  One J35 had 
to be recovered in the spring and sat on the hard for a year to dry out before 
the repairs could be completed at the insistence of the insurance company.  We 
were lucky.  I noted the imminent collapse of our cover and was able to spend 2 
hours cleaning it off and strengthening the supports.

Garbord drains are not pretty but they can do a lot to limit damages to 
unattended boats stored on the hard over a Northern winter.  On Persistence we 
do not have a garboard drain .. this is only because I visually inspect the 
boat during my daily commute and visit it often over the winters ...

Mike

Persistence
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

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FYI, my routine is similar to Chuck's regarding the bilge water issue.

-Original Message- 
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze 
fitting for it.
I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to 
just wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the fall. 
My boat is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a warm day 
each month, (temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug in my 
charger to top off the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast and do 
some chores.  It's very little water, that would never find it's way to a 
sump, and takes only a few minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When she's 
overwintered in the water, I used the same method and dry the bilge.  This 
is a big  improvement over adding pink chemicals to the bilge.


This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on the 
boat.


The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for 
about $50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it 
can sit on my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it. 
The long hose allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the 
front of the cabin area.


Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md


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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Chuck,

This garboard drain fits more flush.
https://images.app.goo.gl/nveRmj4ftrUzTZJG8

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Fri, Jan 10, 2020, 8:04 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze
> fitting for it.
> I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to
> just wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the
> fall.  My boat is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a
> warm day each month, (temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug
> in my charger to top off the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast
> and do some chores.  It's very little water, that would never find it's way
> to a sump, and takes only a few minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When
> she's overwintered in the water, I used the same method and dry the bilge.
> This is a big  improvement over adding pink chemicals to the bilge.
>
> This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on
> the boat.
>
> The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for
> about $50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it
> can sit on my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it.
> The long hose allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the
> front of the cabin area.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>
>
> > On January 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried a garboard plug on a centerboard version C&C keel?
> Where did you put it?  I like the idea of keeping the bilge dry in the
> winter on the hard but am not sure how well it would work with the
> flat/wide bilge on the boat with the keel bolts down each side.  Where
> would I put it?  It would almost be ideal if I could go straight down the
> into the center board trunk but not sure if that would work (how long would
> the hole have to be?) or how to plug it. Thoughts?
> >
> > - -
> > Nathan Post
> > S/V Wisper
> > 1981 C&C 34 CB
> > Lynn, MA USA
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Re: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck

On our previous two boats (Niagara 26 and J/27) we installed garboard drains.  
On the Niagara we installed on the outside of the keel stub and faired around 
the flange.  On the J/27 we decided to do it differently and installed from the 
inside of the keel stub resulting in no bulge on the exterior.  Each spring we 
would install the plug from the inside and then use 3M underwater fairing 
compound or similar to fill and fair the opening from the exterior so that 
there was no disturbance in flow around the keel from the drain.

The project for the garboard drain on the J/27 "Nut Case" can be seen at this 
link

http://www.hoytsailing.com/J27Web/Projects/Phase2/garboard_drain.htm

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



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via CnC-List
Sent: January 10, 2020 9:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Garboard drain or Wet Vac

I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze 
fitting for it. 
I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to just 
wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the fall.  My boat 
is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a warm day each month, 
(temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug in my charger to top off 
the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast and do some chores.  It's very 
little water, that would never find it's way to a sump, and takes only a few 
minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When she's overwintered in the water, I 
used the same method and dry the bilge.  This is a big  improvement over adding 
pink chemicals to the bilge.  

This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on the 
boat.

The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for about 
$50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it can sit on 
my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it.  The long hose 
allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the front of the cabin 
area.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md


> On January 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried a garboard plug on a centerboard version C&C keel?  Where 
> did you put it?  I like the idea of keeping the bilge dry in the winter on 
> the hard but am not sure how well it would work with the flat/wide bilge on 
> the boat with the keel bolts down each side.  Where would I put it?  It would 
> almost be ideal if I could go straight down the into the center board trunk 
> but not sure if that would work (how long would the hole have to be?) or how 
> to plug it. Thoughts?
> 
> - -
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C&C 34 CB
> Lynn, MA USA
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I wrestled with this idea of garboard drains.  West Marine sells a bronze 
fitting for it. 
I never liked the way the plug stuck out underwater.  I found it better to just 
wet vac the water out of the bilge when I lay up the boat in the fall.  My boat 
is 2.5 hrs from my house but during the winter, I pick a warm day each month, 
(temperature above freezing) and drive down and plug in my charger to top off 
the batteries, mop out the bilge under the mast and do some chores.  It's very 
little water, that would never find it's way to a sump, and takes only a few 
minutes with a sponge to wipe dry.  When she's overwintered in the water, I 
used the same method and dry the bilge.  This is a big  improvement over adding 
pink chemicals to the bilge.  

This weekend will be 65 degrees in NJ and Pasadena, perfect to check on the 
boat.

The wet vac is a must.  I bought a little one, 5Hp motor x 5 gallon for about 
$50 with an 18' hose.  I glued a piece of carpet on the bottom so it can sit on 
my deck or on the teak and holly floor without scratching it.  The long hose 
allows  me to set it in the cockpit and run the hose to the front of the cabin 
area.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md


> On January 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried a garboard plug on a centerboard version C&C keel?  Where 
> did you put it?  I like the idea of keeping the bilge dry in the winter on 
> the hard but am not sure how well it would work with the flat/wide bilge on 
> the boat with the keel bolts down each side.  Where would I put it?  It would 
> almost be ideal if I could go straight down the into the center board trunk 
> but not sure if that would work (how long would the hole have to be?) or how 
> to plug it. Thoughts?
> 
> - -
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C&C 34 CB
> Lynn, MA USA
> ___
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