Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I bought a cheapish Klein moisture meter from Amazon this morning and it
was delivered this evening for $39. What I am hearing is that 50% think
this approach is good enough to discover problems and 50% think it's
worthless. I'll let you know. The Flir approach is interesting but sounds
like a blunt metric as it measures temperature gradient in lieu of moisture
content.
I appreciate everyone's input. Thank you

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 5:37 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That's really good information Charlies, and after reading Josh's post, it
> reminded me to just go tap on the deck where necessary.
>
> I was, however, thinking about our cockpit area which for some magical
> reason had teak installed.  I'm not really looking forward to stripping it
> all off and sealing the holes.  I'd really like to know before I tackle the
> job if there is water in the core of the cockpit deck or seats that is
> going to need remediation.  Those areas under the teak decking I don't
> think will sound out differently, and there is no access to the backside
> for tapping with a hammer.
>
> Great thoughts though!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

That's really good information Charlies, and after reading Josh's post, it 
reminded me to just go tap on the deck where necessary.  

I was, however, thinking about our cockpit area which for some magical reason 
had teak installed.  I'm not really looking forward to stripping it all off and 
sealing the holes.  I'd really like to know before I tackle the job if there is 
water in the core of the cockpit deck or seats that is going to need 
remediation.  Those areas under the teak decking I don't think will sound out 
differently, and there is no access to the backside for tapping with a hammer.
Great thoughts though! 

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

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Re: Stus-List 37+ Wood panel at the bottom

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Agreed, the propane lockers are not structural.  Our linear drive is mounted to 
a heavy shelf glassed to the hull.  If someone needs photos, I can take some, 
but it will be a couple weeks before I will be at the boat again.  

Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 8:22:20 PM EST, Graham Collins via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
  
Hi Tom
 
That was plan A for my linear drive, but the floor of the propane locker on 
mine is super thin - a couple of layers of glass, no rigidity.  Give it a tap, 
I would bet yours is the same.  Not designed for serious loads.
 
 Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11 On 2020-02-19 7:11 p.m., Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
  
 The propane locker on Alera is on the Sbd side of the helm station just 
inbound of the fuel filler.  It has some sort of insert on the bottom.  I'm  
not sure if it's painted wood or fiberglass.  I am considering reenforcing it 
and mounting my linear drive to it, upsidedown.  Now you have me wondering if 
it is silid enough to handle he lateral load and/or how much reenforcing it's 
going to need to do so.  
 
 Tom B
 
  
 ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
 Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
 SV Alera
 1990 C 37+/40
 Vashon Island WA
 (206) 463-9200
 www.sv-alera.com 
 
 
 At 02:11 PM 2/19/2020, you wrote:
 
 
: 7
 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:10:45 + (UTC)
 From: Bruce Whitmore 
 To: C List 
 Subject: Stus-List Propane locker followup question - Wood panel at
  the bottom?
 
 
 Hello all, 
 
 In the propane locker in our 1994 C 37/40+, there is a wood panel that has 
been painted white over varnish and is screwed down.? I forget the reason, but 
a couple years ago I needed to remove it, and I wanted to make sure it was well 
sealed so propane fumes would not leak below.? 
 
 However, the idea of a panel relying on sealer to not have leaks leaves me a 
bit nervous.? Even worse, if I am forced to get a survey for insurance 
purposes, I'm not sure this would pass. 
 
 Is there an inherent reason for having a removable panel in the bottom of the 
propane locker?
 Do any of you have the same model boat with a removable panel?? 
 
 I can get behind the locker by crawling into various fetal positions - not 
fun, but possible.? 
 
 Looking forward to hearing any insights, 
 
 Bruce Whitmore
 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
 (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
 bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List 37+ Wood panel at the bottom

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Tom

That was plan A for my linear drive, but the floor of the propane locker 
on mine is super thin - a couple of layers of glass, no rigidity.  Give 
it a tap, I would bet yours is the same.  Not designed for serious loads.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-02-19 7:11 p.m., Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
The propane locker on Alera is on the Sbd side of the helm station 
just inbound of the fuel filler.  It has some sort of insert on the 
bottom.  I'm  not sure if it's painted wood or fiberglass.  I am 
considering reenforcing it and mounting my linear drive to it, 
upsidedown.  Now you have me wondering if it is silid enough to handle 
he lateral load and/or how much reenforcing it's going to need to do so.


Tom B

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com 


At 02:11 PM 2/19/2020, you wrote:


: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:10:45 + (UTC)
From: Bruce Whitmore 
To: C List 
Subject: Stus-List Propane locker followup question - Wood panel at
the bottom?


Hello all,

In the propane locker in our 1994 C 37/40+, there is a wood panel 
that has been painted white over varnish and is screwed down.? I 
forget the reason, but a couple years ago I needed to remove it, and 
I wanted to make sure it was well sealed so propane fumes would not 
leak below.?


However, the idea of a panel relying on sealer to not have leaks 
leaves me a bit nervous.? Even worse, if I am forced to get a survey 
for insurance purposes, I'm not sure this would pass.


Is there an inherent reason for having a removable panel in the 
bottom of the propane locker?

Do any of you have the same model boat with a removable panel??

I can get behind the locker by crawling into various fetal positions 
- not fun, but possible.?


Looking forward to hearing any insights,

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[DMcMillan via CnC-List]

I had a closer look today using a mirror on a stick through the port in the
back of the quarter berth and it appears that it was designed to be a locker
but a hole was never cut in the top of the port side corner seat.   The
"lid" seems to be glued onto the top of the seat with Sikaflex or similar
that will have to be cut through with a long blade.  I was able to insert a
kitchen knife between the lid and the top of the locker, but the 40 year old
Sikaflex has hardened.  Maybe when it warms up a bit more it will soften and
I will be able to cut it.

 

Dennis

1981 C 34 "Andante"

Victoria, BC

 

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman  
Sent: February 19, 2020 4:42 PM
To: DMcMillan ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

 

My 1981 C has a starboard propane tank locker/compartment and a port
compartment.  The port locker could be used for whatever was convenient --
spare propane tank is one possible use.  I keep cleaning supplies and pee
bottle.  It is such a simple locker that it seems unlikely to have been an
option.  Look for hinges -- I bet another poster is correct that it got
painted or somehow stuck shut.  Maybe you'll find riches inside when you get
it open!

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C "Harmony"

Ludington, MI

 

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From: DMcMillan mailto:dmcmil...@shaw.ca> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 10:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Subject: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker? 

 

My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the helm seat.
The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the helm seat there is a
similar seat but the "lid" does not open.  Has anyone opened this up and
utilized the space for storage?  

 

Thanks.

Dennis

Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

My 1981 C has a starboard propane tank locker/compartment and a port 
compartment.  The port locker could be used for whatever was convenient -- 
spare propane tank is one possible use.  I keep cleaning supplies and pee 
bottle.  It is such a simple locker that it seems unlikely to have been an 
option.  Look for hinges -- I bet another poster is correct that it got painted 
or somehow stuck shut.  Maybe you'll find riches inside when you get it open!

Jeff Laman
1981 C "Harmony"
Ludington, MI


From: DMcMillan 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 10:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?


My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the helm seat.  
The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the helm seat there is a 
similar seat but the “lid” does not open.  Has anyone opened this up and 
utilized the space for storage?



Thanks.

Dennis

Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I have a pinless and a professional style moisture meter.  Both of which I
have never used.  Someone who is willing to pay for shipping is welcome to
borrow both.

Having talked to surveyors, they basically say that meters are gross
detection or confirmation meters.  Tapping out the hull is much more
reliable and has better resolution.  Likewise, the FLiR does the same
thing.  They give you something to focus your tapping inspection on.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 16:52 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'd love to just be able to tell if I have some wet core in my deck.  I'm
> pretty sure I can find some areas I can quantify are dry, and then I'd like
> to be able to scan areas I don't know and be able to see the areas that
> need attention.
>
> Not sure if the pinless meters available at the home stores would
> accomplish this, but I could always try one and return it if I'm not
> getting meaningful results.
>
> I'd be curious to hear others' experiences.
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
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Stus-List 37+ Wood panel at the bottom

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

The propane locker on Alera is on the Sbd side of 
the helm station just inbound of the fuel 
filler.  It has some sort of insert on the 
bottom.  I'm  not sure if it's painted wood or 
fiberglass.  I am considering reenforcing it and 
mounting my linear drive to it, upsidedown.  Now 
you have me wondering if it is silid enough to 
handle he lateral load and/or how much 
reenforcing it's going to need to do so.


Tom B


¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 02:11 PM 2/19/2020, you wrote:

: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:10:45 + (UTC)
From: Bruce Whitmore 
To: C List 
Subject: Stus-List Propane locker followup question - Wood panel at
the bottom?


Hello all,

In the propane locker in our 1994 C 37/40+, 
there is a wood panel that has been painted 
white over varnish and is screwed down.? I 
forget the reason, but a couple years ago I 
needed to remove it, and I wanted to make sure 
it was well sealed so propane fumes would not leak below.?


However, the idea of a panel relying on sealer 
to not have leaks leaves me a bit nervous.? Even 
worse, if I am forced to get a survey for 
insurance purposes, I'm not sure this would pass.


Is there an inherent reason for having a 
removable panel in the bottom of the propane locker?

Do any of you have the same model boat with a removable panel??

I can get behind the locker by crawling into 
various fetal positions - not fun, but possible.?


Looking forward to hearing any insights,

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

If there is moisture in the core, the temperature of that material will be 
different than solid glass laminate or dry core.After a cold night, when 
the daytime temp rises above freezing, the wet core will remain colder longer 
than the dry areas of the hull because the moisture being denser than balsa and 
air, will hold the cold longer before warming up. 

It's good practice to check a cored hull on a day where the nighttime and 
daytime temperatures are thirty degrees apart.  Like a common winter day in my 
area where the nighttime temperature drops below freezing and then the 
afternoon gets above 50.   If you have wet core, any wet area will feel cold 
and actually show surface condensation next to dry areas.   Mark it with a 
pencil for reference later.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md

> On February 19, 2020 at 2:10 PM Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Josh:
> 
> I am familiar with the IR adaptor for an iPhone—is it available for other 
> cell phones as well?  How does moisture in a fiberglass hull show up on 
> infra-red?
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on 
> the ICW in between)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> 
> 
> > > On Feb 19, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > You might find the money better spent on a FLiR adapter 
> for your phone.  Much more information can be gained about all sorts of 
> things.  Electrical, engine, moisture...
> > 
> > Josh Muckley 
> > S/V Sea Hawk 
> > 1989 C 37+
> > Solomons, MD 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 08:28 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < 
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hi all, 
> > > I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture 
> > > meter so I can poke around my boat and others. Does anyone have a 
> > > recommendation? I do not need anything too professional, but just 
> > > accurate enough for DIY level. 
> > > Thank you!
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

That’s the kind of cheap one ($50-60) that did not work for me.  I’ll give mine 
for a Stu donation, if you want, as I doubt I’ll ever use it.

 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:52 PM
To: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

 

I'd love to just be able to tell if I have some wet core in my deck.  I'm 
pretty sure I can find some areas I can quantify are dry, and then I'd like to 
be able to scan areas I don't know and be able to see the areas that need 
attention.  

 

Not sure if the pinless meters available at the home stores would accomplish 
this, but I could always try one and return it if I'm not getting meaningful 
results.

 

I'd be curious to hear others' experiences.  

 

Bruce Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"

Madeira Beach, FL 

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  

 

 

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Stus-List Propane locker followup question - Wood panel at the bottom?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all, 

In the propane locker in our 1994 C 37/40+, there is a wood panel that has 
been painted white over varnish and is screwed down.  I forget the reason, but 
a couple years ago I needed to remove it, and I wanted to make sure it was well 
sealed so propane fumes would not leak below.  

However, the idea of a panel relying on sealer to not have leaks leaves me a 
bit nervous.  Even worse, if I am forced to get a survey for insurance 
purposes, I'm not sure this would pass. 

Is there an inherent reason for having a removable panel in the bottom of the 
propane locker?
Do any of you have the same model boat with a removable panel?  

I can get behind the locker by crawling into various fetal positions - not fun, 
but possible.  

Looking forward to hearing any insights, 

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I'd love to just be able to tell if I have some wet core in my deck.  I'm 
pretty sure I can find some areas I can quantify are dry, and then I'd like to 
be able to scan areas I don't know and be able to see the areas that need 
attention.  

Not sure if the pinless meters available at the home stores would accomplish 
this, but I could always try one and return it if I'm not getting meaningful 
results.
I'd be curious to hear others' experiences.  

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
 

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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Shawn,

My 1974 C 35 Mk2 still has the original three burner pressure alcohol 
stove with oven, which is very tired and needs replacement.  I believe a 
previous owner of Callisto had the boat modified for Propane, since 
propane stoves are not listed as an option on 1974 C 35 price list - I 
may be wrong though.  Do you have any photos of your lockers and could 
you describe the plumbing for the propane stove with make and model of 
the stove? Any info would be helpful when I haul out the old stove/oven.


Don Kern
Fireball C 35 Mk2
Bristol RI


On 2/19/2020 10:09 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
My 35-2 has a locker on each side, the starboard being just for a 
second tank with no hookup. I believe they are factory original, but 
have been modified to accept a taller tank by extending the bottoms. 
The other 35-2 in the club has a modified locker on one side, where 
the owner just cut the top off and added hinges. It seems to work 
fine, and looks ok, but I think water intrusion may be an issue. With 
mine, the entire cover is removable (teak, but now epoxied and painted 
white), and there is an inner lip which prevents water from running 
in, similar to the main cockpit lockers.


I haven't seen the 34 lockers, but it shouldn't be too difficult to 
cut one in, depending on your experience with fiberglass work. You 
will need some kind of sealed tub to fit the propane tank of course.


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:44 PM DMcMillan via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the
helm seat.  The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the
helm seat there is a similar seat but the “lid” does not open. 
Has anyone opened this up and utilized the space for storage?

Thanks.

Dennis

Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Josh:

I am familiar with the IR adaptor for an iPhone—is it available for other cell 
phones as well?  How does moisture in a fiberglass hull show up on infra-red?

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Feb 19, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You might find the money better spent on a FLiR adapter for your phone.  Much 
> more information can be gained about all sorts of things.  Electrical, 
> engine, moisture...
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 08:28 Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can 
>> poke around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not 
>> need anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level. 
>> Thank you!
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>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I wish you hadn’t let me know those existed . .  .

 

 

Bill Coleman

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 1:23 PM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

 

You might find the money better spent on a FLiR adapter for your phone.  Much 
more information can be gained about all sorts of things.  Electrical, engine, 
moisture...

 

Josh Muckley 

S/V Sea Hawk 

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

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wrote:

Hi all, 

I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can poke 
around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not need 
anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level. 

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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You might find the money better spent on a FLiR adapter for your phone.
Much more information can be gained about all sorts of things.  Electrical,
engine, moisture...

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can
> poke around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not
> need anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level.
> Thank you!
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 169, Issue 40

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I car the same on my 37 
propane in starboard locker and locker / space also port side of helm seat

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


> On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Paul Hood via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Mine is the same as Wisper as well.  Check your hull to see if there is a
> drain hole to match the other side and if so, voila, you probably have a
> locker there too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul Hood
> 416-799-5549
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:10:46 -0700
> From: Nathan Post 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Dennis,
> That is interesting - on my 1981 C 34 there is a second propane locker on
> the port side - I keep a spare propane tank in it. It has a drain to outside
> the hull above water line same as on starboard.  Assuming you have the
> through hull on the outside on port, I would guess that a previous owner
> glued/painted the lid down and you just need to pry it open.  The hinges are
> symmetric about the helm seat on my boat.
> Hope that helps,
> Nathan
> 
> - -
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper, Lynn MA
> 1981 C 34 CB
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

My 35-2 has a locker on each side, the starboard being just for a
second tank with no hookup. I believe they are factory original, but have
been modified to accept a taller tank by extending the bottoms. The other
35-2 in the club has a modified locker on one side, where the owner just
cut the top off and added hinges. It seems to work fine, and looks ok, but
I think water intrusion may be an issue. With mine, the entire cover is
removable (teak, but now epoxied and painted white), and there is an inner
lip which prevents water from running in, similar to the main
cockpit lockers.

I haven't seen the 34 lockers, but it shouldn't be too difficult to cut one
in, depending on your experience with fiberglass work. You will need some
kind of sealed tub to fit the propane tank of course.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the helm
> seat.  The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the helm seat
> there is a similar seat but the “lid” does not open.  Has anyone opened
> this up and utilized the space for storage?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dennis
>
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin

I picked this one up from Canadian Tire for under $100 CAD.  It has settings 
for several different materials.  I think I use the masonary setting.  It works 
reasonably well

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/mastercraft-pinless-moisture-detector-0574572p.html

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com


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Subject: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

Hi all,
I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can poke 
around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not need 
anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level.
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

An additional comment on the replacement windows.  On my 42, the original plexi 
was nearly a perfect fit into the insets, and I noticed gel coat chipping 
around the edges of the insets.  My theory about that chipping is the plexi 
expanded more than the boat on hot days.  In addition, the experts on this list 
advised to leave a gap (1/8” to 3/16” as I recall) all around the replacements 
to make room for the silicone.  As a result, my replacement windows were 
slightly smaller than the originals.  Using my old windows, I made templates 
out of ¼” ply, then trimmed/sanded them to the size I wanted.  I then used the 
templates, not the original windows, to cut the replacements.  Another way 
would have been to use the original windows as templates (as discussed below), 
then sand them down before installing.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush ; ray.mack...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

 

 

Raymond; I am quoting from instructions given to me by Dave Godwin of 
http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2019/

 

from Dave"Windows are quite new. Three out of four of the old fixed ports 
were only around 18 years old and not in too bad of condition. They could have 
been polished up to look nice. But I went to a lot of trouble to fix the areas 
around the ports (the inset surface and all stress cracks…) so I wasn’t going 
to put old windows back in. Clean foot, dirty sock, etc., etc…

 

Four new fixed ports; take out the old windows and send them to Maritime 
Plastics of Annapolis; Company is Annapolis Maritime Plastics, (410) 263-4424. 
They will duplicate them;

 

For the installation I used the much discussed 3M VHB tape method. I had used 
the old style, just squirted in sealant method in the past and vowed never to 
do that again. Of course, those were pre-VHB days.

 

The actual installation was quite simple and fairly easy. After taping the 
edges, inside and out, I used strips of tape off the top to create a hinge, 
allowing the port to swing down into its correct position vis-a-vis the sealant 
gap all around.

 

Prior to applying the VHB tape, I cleaned all the surfaces well with a clean 
rag and a 50/50% mix of isopropyl alcohol and water. No mineral spirts or 
acetone...

 

I ran the 1” VHB tape around the inset and trimmed the excess (the inset is 
around 3/4”, give or take…) before gently putting the port in place. Some 
momentary constant pressure around the edges and that was it.

 

There was some talk about spraying the inside edge of the fixed port black to 
obscure the lighter background/irregularities but given that the VHB tape is 
black but it made no sense to me. With the VHB tape trimmed to the edge all you 
see inside the plastic is a nice black line provided by the VHB tape.

 

After doing that I ran black silicone caulk around the edges, wiped it with a 
wet finger and that was all she wrote. Pulled the masking tape and surface 
protection tape.

 

If you decide to do this here are some tips:

 

Watch a really good video   on the 
entire process.

 

Buy yourself a good caulk gun. Makes a huge difference in metering the flow and 
is easy on the hand. One of my better tool purchases in light of using the old 
cheap painting ones.

 

Good caulk. The stuff I used was like pudding, very smooth and loose. It went 
in easily and more importantly, didn't start to form a skim coat the second it 
came out of the tube. There was enough working time to run a bead all the way 
around (one port…) and then come back to smooth it out.

 

If you ever decide to do this, I hope it helps. New ports really stand out.

 

Regards,

Dave

 

List of items:

 

Sealant:  SCS200 Silpruf sealant. - link 

 . Two tubes were the precise amount required for our ports.

>From McMaster-Carr:

VHB tape:  3M VHB Tape, Adhesive both sides. - link 
 . Again, two 15’ rolls were 
exactly enough tape.

Caulk gun  

 

 

I did my windows per Dave's instructions and am very happy wioth the 
results...after one year; let me know if you need more; al;so give us an update 
on your progress...!

 

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

 

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To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Raymond Macklin mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 3:06 pm
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

Ok everyone.  I am stepping up and finally going to replace my windows. I am 
open 

Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

If you’re trying to figure out where you have wet core, this is not something 
you want to go cheap on.  You need one that works well.  After buying a cheap 
one that did not work for this purpose, I ended up buying a Skipper Plus 
(little under $500).  Just last year alone it was worth every penny. 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Fred Hazzard 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

 

Kevin, you might check at Harbor Freight. 

 

Fred Hazzard 

 

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi all, 

I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can poke 
around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not need 
anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level. 

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 169, Issue 40

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, my 34 had only one seat locker in the rear of the cockpit -- starboard
side as I recall.

-Original Message-
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Mine is the same as Wisper as well.  Check your hull to see if there is a
drain hole to match the other side and if so, voila, you probably have a
locker there too.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416-799-5549

--

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:10:46 -0700
From: Nathan Post 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dennis,
That is interesting - on my 1981 C 34 there is a second propane locker on
the port side - I keep a spare propane tank in it. It has a drain to outside
the hull above water line same as on starboard.  Assuming you have the
through hull on the outside on port, I would guess that a previous owner
glued/painted the lid down and you just need to pry it open.  The hinges are
symmetric about the helm seat on my boat.
Hope that helps,
Nathan

- -
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper, Lynn MA
1981 C 34 CB




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Stus-List C 34- second propane locker

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Dennis, 
I had a 1981 36 KCB and fabricated a second propane locker. The seat will be 
screw fastened from below. I used appropriate diameter and length cardboard 
sono tube as a template. I used glass and west system epoxy. I cut the hole 
with a jig saw if memory serves and used the cut out as a bottom for the 
locker. I also put a flange on top and a drain below to a small bronze thru 
hull above the water line. Then you just copy the SS piano hinge from the other 
locker. I did not pipe it, I would simply change tanks. The trick will be 
getting a big enough sono tube to fit your tanks, but it’s a really easy job! 
Long arms will allow you to reach the screws from the 6 inch plastic inspection 
ports. Let me know if you need more info. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On

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Re: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

[James Hesketh via CnC-List]

Ray Wrote:

>
> Ok everyone.  I am stepping up and finally going to replace my windows. I
> am open to any information or suggestions.  I was thinking of replacing
> them with aluminum frame windows.  Any thoughts or guidance with this
> project.  All input is appreciated.
>
>
Ray, I'm in the process of doing windows on my 26' and, from previous
threads on this list, decided to use the 3M tape; mine doesn't use frames.

3M makes many types of double-backed tapes so I called and spoke to a
technician who suggested using 3M 4941 VHB. I found 15-foot rolls (one roll
for each side on my boat) on Amazon for a reasonable price. A local
distributor has 90-Meter rolls for about $!00.00.

I'll be using the Dow 795 to finish as many have suggested.

Good Luck with your project,

Jim Hesketh
'78 26' C Whisper
Miami, FL
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 169, Issue 40

[Paul Hood via CnC-List]

Mine is the same as Wisper as well.  Check your hull to see if there is a
drain hole to match the other side and if so, voila, you probably have a
locker there too.

Thanks,
Paul Hood
416-799-5549

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:10:46 -0700
From: Nathan Post 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dennis,
That is interesting - on my 1981 C 34 there is a second propane locker on
the port side - I keep a spare propane tank in it. It has a drain to outside
the hull above water line same as on starboard.  Assuming you have the
through hull on the outside on port, I would guess that a previous owner
glued/painted the lid down and you just need to pry it open.  The hinges are
symmetric about the helm seat on my boat.
Hope that helps,
Nathan

- -
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper, Lynn MA
1981 C 34 CB




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Re: Stus-List Moisture Meter recommendation from Amazon or HD?

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Kevin, you might check at Harbor Freight.

Fred Hazzard

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can
> poke around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not
> need anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level.
> Thank you!
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 
 Raymond; I am quoting from instructions given to me by Dave Godwin of 
http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/2019/
from Dave"Windows are quite new. Three out of four of the old fixed ports 
were onlyaround 18 years old and not in too bad of condition. They could have 
beenpolished up to look nice. But I went to a lot of trouble to fix the 
areasaround the ports (the inset surface and all stress cracks…) so I wasn’t 
goingto put old windows back in. Clean foot, dirty sock, etc., etc… Four new 
fixed ports; take out the old windows and send them to Maritime Plastics of 
Annapolis; Company is Annapolis Maritime Plastics, (410) 263-4424. They will 
duplicate them;
 For the installation I used the much discussed 3M VHB tape method. I hadused 
the old style, just squirted in sealant method in the past and vowed neverto do 
that again. Of course, those were pre-VHB days. The actual installation was 
quite simple and fairly easy. After taping theedges, inside and out, I used 
strips of tape off the top to create a hinge,allowing the port to swing down 
into its correct position vis-a-vis the sealantgap all around. Prior to 
applying the VHB tape, I cleaned all the surfaces well with aclean rag and a 
50/50% mix of isopropyl alcohol and water. No mineral spirts oracetone... I ran 
the 1” VHB tape around the inset and trimmed the excess (the insetis around 
3/4”, give or take…) before gently putting the port in place. Somemomentary 
constant pressure around the edges and that was it. There was some talk about 
spraying the inside edge of the fixed port blackto obscure the lighter 
background/irregularities but given that the VHB tape isblack but it made no 
sense to me. With the VHB tape trimmed to the edge all yousee inside the 
plastic is a nice black line provided by the VHB tape. After doing that I ran 
black silicone caulk around the edges, wiped itwith a wet finger and that was 
all she wrote. Pulled the masking tape andsurface protection tape. If you 
decide to do this here are some tips: Watch a really good video on the entire 
process. Buy yourself a good caulk gun. Makes a huge difference in metering 
theflow and is easy on the hand. One of my better tool purchases in light of 
usingthe old cheap painting ones. Good caulk. The stuff I used was like 
pudding, very smooth and loose. Itwent in easily and more importantly, didn't 
start to form a skim coat thesecond it came out of the tube. There was enough 
working time to run a bead allthe way around (one port…) and then come back to 
smooth it out. If you ever decide to do this, I hope it helps. New ports really 
standout. Regards,Dave List of items: Sealant:  SCS200 Silpruf sealant. - link. 
Two tubes were the precise amountrequired for our ports.From McMaster-Carr:VHB 
tape:  3M VHB Tape, Adhesive both sides. - link. Again, two 15’ rolls were 
exactly enough tape.Caulk gun 
I did my windows per Dave's instructions and am very happy wioth the 
results...after one year; let me know if you need more; al;so give us an update 
on your progress...!


Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: Raymond Macklin 
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 3:06 pm
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C 33-2 WINDOW REPLACEMENT CHALLENGE

Ok everyone.  I am stepping up and finally going to replace my windows. I am 
open to any information or suggestions.  I was thinking of replacing them with 
aluminum frame windows.  Any thoughts or guidance with this project.  All input 
is appreciated.
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[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Hi all,
I am looking for a reasonably priced and quality moisture meter so I can
poke around my boat and others. Does anyone have a recommendation? I do not
need anything too professional, but just accurate enough for DIY level.
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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

My guess is that the second locker locker was an option.  You paid for the 
labor and parts to install the lid and its drain.   You might be able to 
fabricate a locker but results may vary...

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of John and Maryann 
Read via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 7:04:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: John and Maryann Read 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?


Ours is the same as Wisper



John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT







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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 11:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?



Dennis,

That is interesting - on my 1981 C 34 there is a second propane locker on the 
port side - I keep a spare propane tank in it. It has a drain to outside the 
hull above water line same as on starboard.  Assuming you have the through hull 
on the outside on port, I would guess that a previous owner glued/painted the 
lid down and you just need to pry it open.  The hinges are symmetric about the 
helm seat on my boat.

Hope that helps,

Nathan

- -

Nathan Post

S/V Wisper, Lynn MA

1981 C 34 CB





On Feb 18, 2020, at 8:44 PM, DMcMillan via CnC-List  
wrote:



My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the helm seat.  
The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the helm seat there is a 
similar seat but the “lid” does not open.  Has anyone opened this up and 
utilized the space for storage?



Thanks.

Dennis

Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Ours is the same as Wisper

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 11:11 PM
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Cc: Nathan Post
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 - second propane locker?

 

Dennis,

That is interesting - on my 1981 C 34 there is a second propane locker on the 
port side - I keep a spare propane tank in it. It has a drain to outside the 
hull above water line same as on starboard.  Assuming you have the through hull 
on the outside on port, I would guess that a previous owner glued/painted the 
lid down and you just need to pry it open.  The hinges are symmetric about the 
helm seat on my boat.

Hope that helps,

Nathan

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Nathan Post

S/V Wisper, Lynn MA

1981 C 34 CB

 





On Feb 18, 2020, at 8:44 PM, DMcMillan via CnC-List  
wrote:



My 1981 C 34 has a propane locker on the starboard side of the helm seat.  
The locker has a hinged lid.  On the port side of the helm seat there is a 
similar seat but the “lid” does not open.  Has anyone opened this up and 
utilized the space for storage?  

 

Thanks.

Dennis

Victoria, BC

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